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Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 03:49 AM

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Undocumented immigrants don’t have to open the door to immigration agents, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

The California Democrat made the declaration Thursday ahead of weekend raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agents who are planning to round up illegal immigrants with deportation orders issued by immigration judges.

“An ICE deportation warrant is not the same as a search warrant,” Pelosi said, reading from a card she earlier recited to concerned illegal immigrants at events around the country. “If that is the only document ICE brings to a home raid, ICE does not have a legal right to enter a home.”

Pelosi said if ICE lacks a warrant, “a person may refuse to open a door and let them in.”

President Trump announced the deportations would begin Sunday and would target those with deportation orders. Trump had postponed the raid for two weeks and urged Congress to come up with reforms to U.S. asylum laws that are prompting mass illegal immigration from Central America.

Pelosi said she might be open to changes that would allow asylum seekers to request U.S. asylum in their home countries.

In the meantime, she urged Trump to call off the “heartless” raids, warning it was upsetting his Evangelical base.

“These raids were not what they signed up for with President Trump,” Pelosi said.

https://yournews.com/2019/07/11/1088...-to-avoid-ice/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/49393...l-hank-berrien

I find it strange that a top politician would be helping those to denying the courts

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 03:55 AM

As ICE raids loom, Mayor Lightfoot vows to protect Chicago’s immigrant population.

And so he should. It's his job to make sure that legal immigrants are protected. But it's also his job to uphold the rule of law and follow court ordered deportation notices.

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The Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids forecasted—and then delayed—by President Donald Trump could begin this weekend in Chicago and other major U.S. cities. Starting as early as Sunday, the action could potentially lead to the mass deportation of thousands of undocumented immigrants, according to the latest reports.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot has remained steadfast in her opposition and reaffirmed her earlier orders to local authorities to not cooperate with federal immigration agents and to permanently restrict ICE access to Chicago Police Department databases.

Thursday morning, the mayor said city officials are “doing everything we can to push back against what the Trump administration is doing,” reported Chicago Tribune. Additional steps could include Lightfoot signing an executive order to close loopholes in the city’s existing Welcoming City ordinance.

Did she do the same when Obama was deporting illegal immigrants?

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/6/21...ts-deportation

CaptainHowdy · 07-12-2019, 04:02 AM

Here we go again . . .

brassmonkey · 07-12-2019, 04:16 AM

they already opened the door and they don't even know it!

they did numerous things they should have not.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 04:32 AM

Giving them driving licenses is the dumbest thing ever, or the cleverest depending on your politics?

Why do they need driving licences? To walk to the shops to spend the money they don't have. Or to drive to jobs they shouldn't legally have? A driving license doesn't make one a better driver, especially if the driver isn't tested, it doesn't mean you have insurance, it only gives one a means to drive to jobs they shouldn't have.

And an I.D. that it seems can be used to vote.

Expecting an illegal alien to fill in a form legally is dumb.

Relying them to "Attest" when they turn up to vote illegally is like asking a thief to not burgle a house with open doors.

The most shocking thing is this is elected officials ignoring the laws of the land.

brassmonkey · 07-12-2019, 05:41 AM

just get to rounding them up. i noticed the ones here are gone. a lady that owned a food wagon they got her family. they bought an additional wagon b4 they got caught

NALEM · 07-12-2019, 09:35 AM

I sincerely believe that most Americans want existing laws to be enforced, and policies regarding illegal migration, illegal entry and illegal overstays be changed in favor of stricter measures.

Any politician that openly supports illegal immigration IMHO is going to lose the peoples votes.

While people feel sorry for the conditions in which illegals are being held, and want their housing situation to greatly improve, the same people want stricter immigration policies and enforcement.

Rochard · 07-12-2019, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I find it strange that a top politician would be helping those to denying the courts

I too find this odd.

I am against this, but a warrant is a warrant. There is little difference between an arrest warrant and a search warrant. If they have an arrest warrant, they have the right to enter the home (or place of business) to arrest the person.

If police show up with an arrest warrant you cannot say "Sorry, they aren't here come back later". It doesn't work like that.

Rochard · 07-12-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NALEM

I sincerely believe that most Americans want existing laws to be enforced, and policies regarding illegal migration, illegal entry and illegal overstays be changed in favor of stricter measures.

Sure. Enforce the law.

Entering the country illegal is a crime. It's a misdemeanor. We should treat it like a misdemeanor. Typically, you don't get arrested for a misdemeanor. You surely do not get locked in cages with dozens or hundreds of other people "until further notice". People have rights; Even if they aren't American citizens they still have the same rights as American citizens because US law applies. It's not even open to discussion.

Imagine this... You get pulled over for speeding and they discover you do not have a license plate on your car. Normally you would get a ticket but instead they arrest you. They don't take you to jail, but isntead lock you up in a fenced in pen with thirty other people, you have one toliet, no showers, and you get fed once a day. You do get to see your attorney, and you remain in this "jail" until the judge can see you - which might take weeks or months.

This is illegal. It's un-American.

In the past, we detained people, gave them a court summons, and then let them go about their business. It's very similar to what happens when we get a speeding ticket. There is no need to lock these people up. Locking them up creates all kinds of problems - housing, clothing, feeding them, legal rights.... We need to go back to what we were doing before. Instead, we are building internment camps. We did this before and history judged us badly for it.

The current administration is unable to deal with this.

crockett · 07-12-2019, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

https://yournews.com/2019/07/11/1088...-to-avoid-ice/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/49393...l-hank-berrien

I find it strange that a top politician would be helping those to denying the courts

Trump and Republicans made it the new norm to violate our laws, Constitution and to ignore the courts.

Just last week the Supreme Court ruled that Trump could not add a citizenship question on the census. Trump is now trying to ignore the courts and trying to added it with a executive order.

Trump has done this his entire 3 years in office but you only complain when a Democrat does it..

Rochard · 07-12-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Giving them driving licenses is the dumbest thing ever, or the cleverest depending on your politics?

You are an immigrant; Do you have a driver's license?

I can explain this. It sounds odd but they need to have a driver's license. If we do not give them a driver's license, they drive illegally - meaning no car insurance. It's very simple to say "well if they are here illegally then they can't drive" but they do drive, and if they cannot have a DL and without a DL they cannot get insurance. The end result is we have over ten million people driving cars without car insurance which is clearly unacceptable.

Years ago I witnessed a hit and run, and I took off after the car that left. I followed them all through town until the police caught up with us. It turns out they were all here illegally, and they couldn't stay for the police because they would be arrested.

We cannot have people driving them around without insurance. The cost of insurance here in border states is huge because there are so many people here illegally.

Tasty1 · 07-12-2019, 10:09 AM

If they would catch me in Thailand with an overstay, i would end up in jail right away and deported within a week on my own cost. If i could not pay the fine for the overstay, they would first lock me up longer. They just found an Syrian man with 4 years overstay in Thailand, he will deported back to Syria now. Never heard one person complain about it. Now they are after the Cambodian people and the people from Laos who stay illegal in Thailand. I went to Jamaica recently and didn´t book a return ticket when i arrived, i had to book it right away on the immigration office, else they would sent me back to Brazil where i came from.. Now i had to book a ticket to Holland, while i wanted to go to Panama also.

I am sure the USA would do the same with me if i was illegal there. Hell, they even didn´t let you fly to Mexico from Holland if you didn´t have a return ticket, while it was just a stopover and even not leaving the airport. (changed that now, but i never fly over USA if not needed).. Maybe next time i must say i want to stay illegal and see what happens?

I know people from Mexico, Brazil, Thailand, living and working in Europe. Nothing wrong with that. They work, pay taxes, adapt. But the illegals… and people that not want to work… uneducated… or the people that don't adapt…. no one is waiting for those, except some extreem left.

crockett · 07-12-2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

If they would catch me in Thailand with an overstay, i would end up in jail right away and deported within a week on my own cost. If i could not pay the fine for the overstay, they would first lock me up longer. They just found an Syrian man with 4 years overstay in Thailand, he will deported back to Syria now. Never heard one person complain about it. Now they are after the Cambodian people and the people from Laos who stay illegal in Thailand. I went to Jamaica recently and didn´t book a return ticket when i arrived, i had to book it right away on the immigration office, else they would sent me back to Brazil where i came from.. Now i had to book a ticket to Holland, while i wanted to go to Panama also.

I am sure the USA would do the same with me if i was illegal there. Hell, they even didn´t let you fly to Mexico from Holland if you didn´t have a return ticket, while it was just a stopover and even not leaving the airport. (changed that now, but i never fly over USA if not needed).. Maybe next time i must say i want to stay illegal and see what happens?

I know people from Mexico, Brazil, Thailand, living and working in Europe. Nothing wrong with that. They work, pay taxes, adapt. But the illegals… and people that not want to work… uneducated… or the people that don't adapt…. no one is waiting for those, except some extreem left.

How many of those work Visas Trump employees did Trump make sure left the country when their Visa was up? None... he simply kept them on as employees even after their visas expired..

Funny how Republicans didnt fund a boarder wall or deport illegals when there was a Republican majority in all 3 houses.. It only became a issue after Democrats won the House .

You people are so fucking gullible

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are an immigrant; Do you have a driver's license?

I can explain this. It sounds odd but they need to have a driver's license. If we do not give them a driver's license, they drive illegally - meaning no car insurance. It's very simple to say "well if they are here illegally then they can't drive" but they do drive, and if they cannot have a DL and without a DL they cannot get insurance. The end result is we have over ten million people driving cars without car insurance which is clearly unacceptable.

Years ago I witnessed a hit and run, and I took off after the car that left. I followed them all through town until the police caught up with us. It turns out they were all here illegally, and they couldn't stay for the police because they would be arrested.

We cannot have people driving them around without insurance. The cost of insurance here in border states is huge because there are so many people here illegally.

I'm a legal immigrant, you still don'y understand the difference even though I've explained it to you over and over. Is it some sort of blind spot you have?

Great to know that no one can get a driving license without proving they have insurance on all their vehicles. Or is that another blind spot you have?

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Trump and Republicans made it the new norm to violate our laws, Constitution and to ignore the courts.

Just last week the Supreme Court ruled that Trump could not add a citizenship question on the census. Trump is now trying to ignore the courts and trying to added it with a executive order.

Trump has done this his entire 3 years in office but you only complain when a Democrat does it..

And he needs to make it an executive order which he can do under American law. Why shouldn't a census include citizenship and race. Do you understand the point of a census?

Bladewire · 07-12-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I find it strange that a top politician would be helping those to denying the courts

I find it strange that a top politician reciting the law is a threat to your agenda.

If you don't like our laws then immigrate to America become a citizen and vote otherwise shut the fuck up you're not even on the same continent as us.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure. Enforce the law.

Entering the country illegal is a crime. It's a misdemeanor. We should treat it like a misdemeanor. Typically, you don't get arrested for a misdemeanor. You surely do not get locked in cages with dozens or hundreds of other people "until further notice". People have rights; Even if they aren't American citizens they still have the same rights as American citizens because US law applies. It's not even open to discussion.

Imagine this... You get pulled over for speeding and they discover you do not have a license plate on your car. Normally you would get a ticket but instead they arrest you. They don't take you to jail, but isntead lock you up in a fenced in pen with thirty other people, you have one toliet, no showers, and you get fed once a day. You do get to see your attorney, and you remain in this "jail" until the judge can see you - which might take weeks or months.

This is illegal. It's un-American.

In the past, we detained people, gave them a court summons, and then let them go about their business. It's very similar to what happens when we get a speeding ticket. There is no need to lock these people up. Locking them up creates all kinds of problems - housing, clothing, feeding them, legal rights.... We need to go back to what we were doing before. Instead, we are building internment camps. We did this before and history judged us badly for it.

The current administration is unable to deal with this.

So let them go. So they can drive, get a job, get their children educated and a lot will be criminals and never turn up in court. What business do they have in the US? How many turned up and got ordered out and ignored the order?

They should be offered immediate repatriation or if they have applied for asylum allowed to stay on the Mexican side of the border. Unless Mexican and can prove they are in danger from the Mexican Government. Coming from a shit country, with no employment and gang violence isn't grounds for political asylum. Otherwise you'll end up a shit country, with no with no employment and gang violence eventually.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM

I sincerely believe that most Americans want existing laws to be enforced, and policies regarding illegal migration, illegal entry and illegal overstays be changed in favor of stricter measures.

Any politician that openly supports illegal immigration IMHO is going to lose the peoples votes.

While people feel sorry for the conditions in which illegals are being held, and want their housing situation to greatly improve, the same people want stricter immigration policies and enforcement.

African Americans and Latin Americans suffer the most from illegal immigration. Illegals take their jobs and put them on welfare. Illegals aren't doctors, surgeons, lawyers, etc. They're mostly low skilled doing low skilled jobs. They have to be kicked out so Americans can get their jobs, employers will have to pay higher wages, which they will pass on to the consumer.

But the overall benefit is a lowering of the tax burden and debt.

No one pays an illegal more than they would pay an American of any colour.

Paul Markham · 07-12-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

How many of those work Visas Trump employees did Trump make sure left the country when their Visa was up? None... he simply kept them on as employees even after their visas expired..

Funny how Republicans didnt fund a boarder wall or deport illegals when there was a Republican majority in all 3 houses.. It only became a issue after Democrats won the House .

You people are so fucking gullible

And his HR people need to be arrested of fined. The company has to be held accountable.

The disgrace isn't only that it happened, it's that the HR people weren't at least sacked.

Agree not funding the Wall as a priority in the first two years was wrong. Whereas Hillary promised to do what?

https://www.thoughtco.com/hillary-cl...ration-3367986

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1245...ises-not-again

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/be-p...ice/vp-AAEeoFc

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issue...ration-reform/

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07/...llegal-aliens/

And that's another reason Trump won. Enough floating voters in the States that decide the Presidency rejected her policy towards illegal immigrants.

Bladewire · 07-12-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

African Americans and Latin Americans suffer the most from illegal immigration. Illegals take their jobs and put them on welfare.

What the fuck is wrong with you lol OMG nothing you said there is true

You know nothing about our welfare system, clearly. Everytime you post as if you know the intricacies of our government & society you embarrass yourself more and more each time.

You are a British economic immigrant to Slovakia. You don't live in America. You've never lived in America. You will never live in America.

OneHungLo · 07-12-2019, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So let them go. So they can drive, get a job, get their children educated and a lot will be criminals and never turn up in court. What business do they have in the US? How many turned up and got ordered out and ignored the order?

They should be offered immediate repatriation or if they have applied for asylum allowed to stay on the Mexican side of the border. Unless Mexican and can prove they are in danger from the Mexican Government. Coming from a shit country, with no employment and gang violence isn't grounds for political asylum. Otherwise you'll end up a shit country, with no with no employment and gang violence eventually.

Spot on, Paul. Most dumb libs here know this yet they don't care. They do the bidding of their power hungry Democratic politician overlords.

All we hear from crockett is patriotic, flag waving Americans that want immigration laws enforced are treasonous Nazis. Yet not a peep from him when we have Nancy Pelosi 100% actively aiding and abetting illegal aliens with their immigration crimes.

It's disgusting.

Boozer · 07-12-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i noticed the ones here are gone

I know it is hot out, but maybe you need to get out and look around a little more.

OneHungLo · 07-12-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I too find this odd.

You find this odd? The Dems have been pandering to ILLEGAL ALIENS for the last 2 years. Every time we tell you this you say "that's simply not true."

You've even said it yourself you avoid Mexico. Well the dummies that you vote for are BRINGING MEXICO to YOU.

Bladewire · 07-12-2019, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Giving them driving licenses is the dumbest thing ever, or the cleverest depending on your politics?

Why do they need driving licences? To walk to the shops to spend the money they don't have. Or to drive to jobs they shouldn't legally have? A driving license doesn't make one a better driver, especially if the driver isn't tested, it doesn't mean you have insurance, it only gives one a means to drive to jobs they shouldn't have.

And an I.D. that it seems can be used to vote.

Expecting an illegal alien to fill in a form legally is dumb.

Relying them to "Attest" when they turn up to vote illegally is like asking a thief to not burgle a house with open doors.

The most shocking thing is this is elected officials ignoring the laws of the land.

That's not how it works Paul stop spreading lies.

This has been explained too many times over the last three years many many times and you're purposely spreading lies Cyrillic creepy sleazy thing for you to do.

People in California who get driver's licenses have to provide proof of identity like their birth certificate & social security card etc . If you're not a citizen your driver's license is marked as non citizen you idiot.

You are a British economic immigrant living in Slovakia.

You have absolutely zero knowledge about what you're talking about and you're purposely spreading lies on topics that have been explained to you previously multiple times.

brassmonkey · 07-12-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozer

I know it is hot out, but maybe you need to get out and look around a little more.

the police are doing that

they know police check papers now

no more loud shitty music. damn you have like 3 nicks.

NALEM · 07-12-2019, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Sure. Enforce the law.

Entering the country illegal is a crime. It's a misdemeanor. We should treat it like a misdemeanor. Typically, you don't get arrested for a misdemeanor. You surely do not get locked in cages with dozens or hundreds of other people "until further notice". People have rights; Even if they aren't American citizens they still have the same rights as American citizens because US law applies. It's not even open to discussion.

Imagine this... You get pulled over for speeding and they discover you do not have a license plate on your car. Normally you would get a ticket but instead they arrest you. They don't take you to jail, but isntead lock you up in a fenced in pen with thirty other people, you have one toliet, no showers, and you get fed once a day. You do get to see your attorney, and you remain in this "jail" until the judge can see you - which might take weeks or months.

This is illegal. It's un-American.

In the past, we detained people, gave them a court summons, and then let them go about their business. It's very similar to what happens when we get a speeding ticket. There is no need to lock these people up. Locking them up creates all kinds of problems - housing, clothing, feeding them, legal rights.... We need to go back to what we were doing before. Instead, we are building internment camps. We did this before and history judged us badly for it.

The current administration is unable to deal with this.

Richard, I understand the analogy you provided, but will partially disagree with you. When someone knowingly and willfully crosses the border into another country at a non POE which is typically a land border crossing or airport, I look at that along the same lines as someone breaking and entering into my place of business or home. No one has the right to be inside my home unless I have explicitly given them permission or invited them.

I personally hope that the US government changes the current policies and does not allow anyone to claim asylum when entering the US from anywhere but the designated POEs.

Regarding taking responsibility, if the US chooses to detain anyone, then they absolutely should provide them a safe clean and healthy environment in which to live while they are in custody, be it for one day or several years.

Bjorn_Tasty and others in the various threads have posted a fact, if someone was caught overstaying or crossing illegally into another country where they had no legal right to be, that individual would be detained, processed and deported within X days. We should do the same. For those that seek protection from violence they experience in their homeland, the very first country they enter, that is considered to be a non-violent country according to some international governmental body, should be the same country they should seek asylum. In the case of those coming from Central and South America, if entering Mexico, is the first country in which they are supposedly safe, then Mexico should consider their cases requesting residence.

Ultimately I hope that Federal and State laws change drastically and favor massive enforcement. US business owners and upper management must be held accountable with steep fines and prison sentences for the hiring of illegal workers. Unfortunately our system is broken, and the #1 lobbyist against the Federal verification system which already exists is the US Chamber of Commerce.

Boozer · 07-12-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the police are doing that

they know police check papers now

no more loud shitty music. damn you have like 3 nicks.

Or perhaps maybe you have three voices in your head.

brassmonkey · 07-12-2019, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozer

Or perhaps maybe you have three voices in your head.

blade knows your nicks

TheSquealer · 07-12-2019, 04:14 PM

illegal aliens with deportation orders will be deported.

no controversy there

The same Leftist idiots who love to say "Obama deported more illegals than anyone" get upset at ICE deporting illegals.... cause Orange Man Bad!!!!!!!!!!! Drummmmppphhh!!

More fake outrage cause ..
No obstruction
No collusion
Trump is still your President

Boozer · 07-12-2019, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

blade knows your nicks

How much faith do you have in a raving lunatic? Care to make it interesting?

TheSquealer · 07-12-2019, 04:29 PM

Democrats are against borders and pro illegals, its as simple as that. These are not values any moderate voters shares and they keep setting themselves up for a catastrophic loss to an orange faced, reality tv star... AGAIN in 2020.

NaughtyRob · 07-12-2019, 04:29 PM

Old news and I love that she is giving advice to good hard working people that we need. That do jobs that nobody else wants.

2MuchMark · 07-12-2019, 04:43 PM

Chicago Mayor Permanently Bans ICE From Accessing Police Databases Ahead Of Raids
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0bd7d1e19c547

ABC News - San Francisco mayor says city won't cooperate with ICE ...
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2253802194910899

Providence won’t cooperate
https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news...ont-cooperate/

OneHungLo · 07-12-2019, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Chicago Mayor Permanently Bans ICE From Accessing Police Databases Ahead Of Raids
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0bd7d1e19c547

ABC News - San Francisco mayor says city won't cooperate with ICE ...
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2253802194910899

Providence won’t cooperate
https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news...ont-cooperate/

Do you think that's a good thing?

bronco67 · 07-12-2019, 08:16 PM

Trump said these raids are starting Sunday.

I have inside information that these raids will NOT be happening. Here it comes so pay attention....

Given Trump's history of saying "something" is coming and then that thing not coming, any rational person would know that whatever Trump says is just another horseshit distraction to keep you from looking at some other issue....like the Border crisis...or the Labor Secretary crisis....or the crisis that Jeff Epstein might start spilling details about the 28 girl party you organized/attended together.

People are falling for this shit all over again. They knew it was never happening before and they know it now. Trump farts some thoughts, the government scrambles to look like they're accommodating him, then it gets "cancelled". It was never a thing to begin with. We're not going to have a government thug squad rounding up people en masse throughout the largest cities in the United States. Do you know that if this goes down the way the Trump administration is hoping, there will be absolute chaos all over the country, families will be torn apart, people will probably get shot, there could be riots, etc. There could even be clashes between local police and ICE agents. It would be one of the biggest spectacles on TV in years. It's a big deal for this kind of shit to happen in the United States and I don't think anyone is even trying to picture the absolute calamity this will turn into quickly. But that's only if it's an actual plan vs a self-destructing political smokescreen. If it is really happening, what do you think the chances are of this administration pulling this off smoothly when they couldn't even figure out how to turn lights on and off in the White House?

Tasty1 · 07-12-2019, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NALEM

For those that seek protection from violence they experience in their homeland, the very first country they enter, that is considered to be a non-violent country according to some international governmental body, should be the same country they should seek asylum. In the case of those coming from Central and South America, if entering Mexico, is the first country in which they are supposedly safe, then Mexico should consider their cases requesting residence.

Mexico now helps more and more people from Venezuela etcetra. They even get around 6000 MXN pesos a month. But now some Mexicans start to complain, 6000 MXN Pesos is what a lot of Mexican people earn with an unskilled job like cleaning houses… And there are enough poor Mexican people in Mexico that could use some help. So would be nice to Help Mexico or other poor countries that take in people, till the people can return. But will be hard in Venezuela, the rich countries like Russia, China, EU, USA like fighting their own personal wars in those countries while they do a lot of business together where they can make profits out of it, than they suddenly can close deals. But not when it comes to human rights and dictators.

Rochard · 07-12-2019, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm a legal immigrant, you still don'y understand the difference even though I've explained it to you over and over. Is it some sort of blind spot you have?

Of coruse I understand the difference. You have never explained it to me. In fact, why don't you explain how you became a legal immigrant.

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Great to know that no one can get a driving license without proving they have insurance on all their vehicles. Or is that another blind spot you have?

No, you do not need insurance to get driver's license. In fact, you do not even need to own a car. You are also not required to have insurance on a car when you own it; You register the car as "non op" meaning you do not / can not drive it.

Is it different in Europe?

Paul Markham · 07-13-2019, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Of coruse I understand the difference. You have never explained it to me. In fact, why don't you explain how you became a legal immigrant.

I entered Czech at an authorised point of entry, I then applied for a Residence Permit, which was granted because I was bringing business to Czech.

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No, you do not need insurance to get driver's license. In fact, you do not even need to own a car. You are also not required to have insurance on a car when you own it; You register the car as "non op" meaning you do not / can not drive it.

So your bullshit excuse is revealed as bullshit. In fact the only reason to get a driving license is to use it as ID. Does it say that you're in the country legally or illegally?

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Is it different in Europe?

We have to carry IDs which aren't available to illegal immigrants. A driving license isn't proof of ID.

Paul Markham · 07-13-2019, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Old news and I love that she is giving advice to good hard working people that we need. That do jobs that nobody else wants.

Bullshit.

There are however wages that only illegal immigrants will accept because they are so low.

https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-...ricans-Wont-Do

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Of the 474 civilian occupations, only six are majority immigrant (legal and illegal). These six occupations account for 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans still comprise 46 percent of workers in these occupations.

There are no occupations in the United States in which a majority of workers are illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants work mostly in construction, cleaning, maintenance, food service, garment manufacturing, and agricultural occupations. However, the majority of workers even in these areas are either native-born or legal immigrants.

Only 4 percent of illegal immigrants and 2 percent of all immigrants do farm work.

Immigrants (legal and illegal) do make up a large share of agricultural workers — accounting for half or more of some types of farm laborers — but all agricultural workers together constitute less than 1 percent of the American work force.

Many occupations often thought to be worked overwhelmingly by immigrants (legal and illegal) are in fact majority native-born:

Maids and housekeepers: 51 percent native-born

Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 54 percent native-born

Butchers and meat processors: 64 percent native-born

Grounds maintenance workers: 66 percent native-born

Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born

Janitors: 73 percent native-born

Let me explain this economically to you. An illegal does a job that an American would do if paid properly. But the employer pays so badly an American is better off on welfare or crime than do it for the low wage.

You get a little benefit here buying cheap. But you have still got to pay the cost of welfare, the low tax, the crime costs, etc. This results in high taxes or debt.

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https://money.cnn.com/2012/11/29/new...ost/index.html

Unemployment benefits cost: $520 billion. Jobless Americans have collected more than half a trillion dollars in benefits over the past five years. State and federal unemployment insurance programs have cost roughly $520 billion, according to a Congressional Budget Office report released Wednesday

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https://blog.gao.gov/2017/11/29/how-...es-crime-cost/

Researchers have estimated varying annual costs of crime in the United States that range from $690 billion to $3.41 trillion. One reason that developing an accurate estimate is challenging is the difficulty of determining the intangible costs of crime

It would be far better for the US and Europe to pay workers a decent wage and save the country from debt. Or just raise taxes so the average man pays the cost of those cheap goods.

adultinnovation · 07-13-2019, 01:27 AM

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07-12-2019, 04:02 AM	#3
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07-12-2019, 04:16 AM	#4
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07-12-2019, 04:32 AM	#5
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Giving them driving licenses is the dumbest thing ever, or the cleverest depending on your politics? Why do they need driving licences? To walk to the shops to spend the money they don't have. Or to drive to jobs they shouldn't legally have? A driving license doesn't make one a better driver, especially if the driver isn't tested, it doesn't mean you have insurance, it only gives one a means to drive to jobs they shouldn't have. And an I.D. that it seems can be used to vote. Expecting an illegal alien to fill in a form legally is dumb. Relying them to "Attest" when they turn up to vote illegally is like asking a thief to not burgle a house with open doors. The most shocking thing is this is elected officials ignoring the laws of the land. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-12-2019, 05:41 AM	#6
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,246	just get to rounding them up. i noticed the ones here are gone. a lady that owned a food wagon they got her family. they bought an additional wagon b4 they got caught __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

07-12-2019, 09:35 AM	#7
NALEM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Where ever Delta flies Posts: 3,143	I sincerely believe that most Americans want existing laws to be enforced, and policies regarding illegal migration, illegal entry and illegal overstays be changed in favor of stricter measures. Any politician that openly supports illegal immigration IMHO is going to lose the peoples votes. While people feel sorry for the conditions in which illegals are being held, and want their housing situation to greatly improve, the same people want stricter immigration policies and enforcement. __________________ "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

07-12-2019, 10:09 AM	#12
Tasty1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,504	If they would catch me in Thailand with an overstay, i would end up in jail right away and deported within a week on my own cost. If i could not pay the fine for the overstay, they would first lock me up longer. They just found an Syrian man with 4 years overstay in Thailand, he will deported back to Syria now. Never heard one person complain about it. Now they are after the Cambodian people and the people from Laos who stay illegal in Thailand. I went to Jamaica recently and didn´t book a return ticket when i arrived, i had to book it right away on the immigration office, else they would sent me back to Brazil where i came from.. Now i had to book a ticket to Holland, while i wanted to go to Panama also. I am sure the USA would do the same with me if i was illegal there. Hell, they even didn´t let you fly to Mexico from Holland if you didn´t have a return ticket, while it was just a stopover and even not leaving the airport. (changed that now, but i never fly over USA if not needed).. Maybe next time i must say i want to stay illegal and see what happens? I know people from Mexico, Brazil, Thailand, living and working in Europe. Nothing wrong with that. They work, pay taxes, adapt. But the illegals… and people that not want to work… uneducated… or the people that don't adapt…. no one is waiting for those, except some extreem left.

07-12-2019, 04:14 PM	#29
TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,352	illegal aliens with deportation orders will be deported. no controversy there The same Leftist idiots who love to say "Obama deported more illegals than anyone" get upset at ICE deporting illegals.... cause Orange Man Bad!!!!!!!!!!! Drummmmppphhh!! More fake outrage cause .. No obstruction No collusion Trump is still your President __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

07-12-2019, 04:29 PM	#31
TheSquealer Mayor of Thneedville Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 25,352	Democrats are against borders and pro illegals, its as simple as that. These are not values any moderate voters shares and they keep setting themselves up for a catastrophic loss to an orange faced, reality tv star... AGAIN in 2020. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

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07-12-2019, 08:16 PM	#35
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	Trump said these raids are starting Sunday. I have inside information that these raids will NOT be happening. Here it comes so pay attention.... Given Trump's history of saying "something" is coming and then that thing not coming, any rational person would know that whatever Trump says is just another horseshit distraction to keep you from looking at some other issue....like the Border crisis...or the Labor Secretary crisis....or the crisis that Jeff Epstein might start spilling details about the 28 girl party you organized/attended together. People are falling for this shit all over again. They knew it was never happening before and they know it now. Trump farts some thoughts, the government scrambles to look like they're accommodating him, then it gets "cancelled". It was never a thing to begin with. We're not going to have a government thug squad rounding up people en masse throughout the largest cities in the United States. Do you know that if this goes down the way the Trump administration is hoping, there will be absolute chaos all over the country, families will be torn apart, people will probably get shot, there could be riots, etc. There could even be clashes between local police and ICE agents. It would be one of the biggest spectacles on TV in years. It's a big deal for this kind of shit to happen in the United States and I don't think anyone is even trying to picture the absolute calamity this will turn into quickly. But that's only if it's an actual plan vs a self-destructing political smokescreen. If it is really happening, what do you think the chances are of this administration pulling this off smoothly when they couldn't even figure out how to turn lights on and off in the White House? __________________

07-13-2019, 01:27 AM	#40
adultinnovation WIFE CHANGING MONEY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: usa Posts: 5,080	I love illegal aliens .. they so hot