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kane · 12-22-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

If the border was only 75 miles, it could make some sense to at least put up something to restrict the easy access.
But the border is 2000 miles long.
If you were to build such a thing, sucessfully, and make it rat proof (tunnel), you would have a new fight on your hands on water and coastal areas.
It's a no win situation.
You can only manage it to some extent.

The 2 lager factors you need to deal with is why are they leaving where they are and why is it attractive to come here.
Attack it at those 2 sources.

This is as bad as the war on drugs. Can't win playing it this way.
You just spend lots of money where that in itself becomes a corruptible problem.

This has been one of my arguments against the wall all along. The wall will only be as effective as our defense of it. We currently have more 1,400 open requests for more border patrol agents. Those requests have been there for years because we can't find enough people to fill them. Miles and miles and miles of unprotected border wall will end up with people going over it, under it, or through it.

We would be better off spending the money doing other things that make coming here less attractive for illegals while helping to make the places they are coming from better places to live.

VRPdommy · 12-22-2018, 03:58 PM

Mitch McConnell did not have the bill up for a vote in the senate as far as I know.
So, it's not like the senate dem's had a chance to vote against it.

Generally, USCIS may grant H-2A classification for up to the period of time authorized on the temporary labor certification. H-2A classification may be extended for qualifying employment in increments of up to 1 year each. A new, valid temporary labor certification covering the requested time must accompany each extension request. The maximum period of stay in H-2A classification is 3 years.

Do h2a workers pay taxes?
No. As an H2A worker, you are exempt from the requirement to pay these taxes. But, because the majority of workers in the U.S. have to pay them, it is possible that you may receive a letter from the IRS requesting payment of Social Security taxes.

How much does a US work permit cost?
Employment Based Immigration Applications cost 345.00 USD in addition to the petition. Other immigration applications (such as self-petitioning) cost 205.00 USD. K visa for a fiancé or spouse of a U.S citizen costs 265.00 USD. Certain Afghan or Iraqi special immigrant applications have no fee.

How do you know if they ever go home ?

Bladewire · 12-22-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

How do you know if they ever go home ?

The vast majority of illegal immigrants fly here and overstay their visa.

But Trump wants a big wall with his name on it that only 35% of voters support.

VRPdommy · 12-22-2018, 05:15 PM

It has been my point that most come here legally, they just don't go home.

THE WALL IS SYMBOLIC.

RedFred · 12-22-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

THE WALL IS SYMBOLIC.

It's primitive.

Not surprised the group of people who barely evolved past barbarism thinks it's such a great idea.

Paul Markham · 12-23-2018, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

If anyone wants to stop this, spend $10M and prosecute those that hire them.
It will end in 90 days. You will be able to lay-off those border patrol folks and save about $100M

No President has put such measures into place. It would require more than $10 million, but the fines collected would far out weigh the costs. Imagine 1,000s of fast food outlets being fined for hiring illegal workers. Fines they pay or get closed down, imagine illegals offered a trip home or having to be split up and held in camps.

But that would mean a rise in wages and then a rise in prices as companies are forced to pay more. And people prefer their cheap stuff to giving fellow citizens jobs.

Paul Markham · 12-23-2018, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred

As much time and energy Paul is spending trying to convince people in a country he doesn't live in how much we need a wall you would think he owns the company that's going to build it.

Illegal migration is a big problem in Europe, but this board only wants to discuss how bad Trump is. So I stick to that.

TheSquealer · 12-23-2018, 01:46 AM

Walls don't work. That's why there are no walls in the world. No one has ever used a wall anywhere, ever... to protect anything effectively.

Matt 26z · 12-23-2018, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Only a brilliant orange motherfucker and his equally genius supporters could come up with this.

hahah Mexicans are so dumb (doubt it was a spanish mexican though. had to of been the native american kind. the stupidity is baked into their DNA). It's obvious that car was never getting up over the point.

Paul Markham · 12-23-2018, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

I'm thinking Paul got desperate and rented his account out for a few bucks. he doesn't even know the difference between an immigrant and a migrant.

I repeatedly said illegal migrants, so is it you who can't read?

Grapesoda · 12-23-2018, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

https://www.military.com/video/speci...c/833729534001

did that everyday as an ironworker...

Grapesoda · 12-23-2018, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I repeatedly said illegal migrants, so is it you who can't read?

they are colonist, not migrants just here for work

VRPdommy · 12-24-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No President has put such measures into place. It would require more than $10 million, but the fines collected would far out weigh the costs. Imagine 1,000s of fast food outlets being fined for hiring illegal workers. Fines they pay or get closed down, imagine illegals offered a trip home or having to be split up and held in camps.

But that would mean a rise in wages and then a rise in prices as companies are forced to pay more. And people prefer their cheap stuff to giving fellow citizens jobs.

That was the point. Nobody goes to jail, they just pay a fine. Look at the banks.
All at the same time some are in jail for smoking weed.
Better to pay more for food than to spend in tax for welfare. Especially since those working those fields are not paying taxes. Many have family's here and you have child labor inside of this.

Someone should be glad I'm not in charge. I like the idea of revoking corporate charters.
They are only granted in concept of benefit to public at large.
It's time that meant something again.
They have turned into a 'get out of jail - FREE' card.

Don't anyone get me wrong. I have nothing against a migrant at all.
But don't let the politicians blow smoke up you butt as to the cause and effect and who is making money from this and getting the political advantage while they are the cause.

If those AG co's want to hire them, they should pay minimum wage and withhold taxes like everyone else. The republicans never have had any intentions of blocking them from coming here.

And giving them work permits and 1099-s status makes it legal.

The can walk right past the wall that you think you are paying for to stop it.
They don't go home once here and next year, their relatives come.
I can't blame them for coming. It's a attractive gig. Gets them away from the drug gangs a fairly poor economy where they can't feel safe.

The republicans created this system, and it's time they own up to it instead of telling everyone they are the ones to stop it. They have owned the conversation and use that to stop any changes.

They have used the idea of granting amnesty to those that are here is wrong, so they can stay here in illegal status where they work for sub-standard wages. And we the public loose the wage competition as well as the tax revenue.

It's not that hard to get what is fair, but you have to at least be asking for it !

RedFred · 12-24-2018, 12:09 PM

12-23-2018, 01:46 AM	#58
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,127	Walls don't work. That's why there are no walls in the world. No one has ever used a wall anywhere, ever... to protect anything effectively. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

12-22-2018, 03:58 PM	#52
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 10,982	Mitch McConnell did not have the bill up for a vote in the senate as far as I know. So, it's not like the senate dem's had a chance to vote against it. Generally, USCIS may grant H-2A classification for up to the period of time authorized on the temporary labor certification. H-2A classification may be extended for qualifying employment in increments of up to 1 year each. A new, valid temporary labor certification covering the requested time must accompany each extension request. The maximum period of stay in H-2A classification is 3 years. Do h2a workers pay taxes? No. As an H2A worker, you are exempt from the requirement to pay these taxes. But, because the majority of workers in the U.S. have to pay them, it is possible that you may receive a letter from the IRS requesting payment of Social Security taxes. How much does a US work permit cost? Employment Based Immigration Applications cost 345.00 USD in addition to the petition. Other immigration applications (such as self-petitioning) cost 205.00 USD. K visa for a fiancé or spouse of a U.S citizen costs 265.00 USD. Certain Afghan or Iraqi special immigrant applications have no fee. How do you know if they ever go home ?

12-22-2018, 05:15 PM	#54
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 10,982	It has been my point that most come here legally, they just don't go home. THE WALL IS SYMBOLIC.

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