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11-11-2018, 10:53 AM | #1 |
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So much for electric cars saving the environment
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-31/you-ll-need-286-pounds-of-coal-to-fuel-that-electric-road-trip?adv=fedexsocial
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Yeah and that idiot Obama was trying to kill the coal industry.
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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and you probably like that, don't you? I guess that means we should just stick with the internal combustion engine because old ass fools like yourself hate change.
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Work in coal mines has gone down for plenty of reasons: It's old technology, it's expensive, it's dangerous, it's unpopular, and workers are being replaced by robots. If you believe in coal so much go mine some for a while, then invest what you're paid into insurance to help cover a little of the medical bills thanks to your newfound pneumoconiosis.
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286 pounds of coal or 33 minutes of blades spinning on a giant offshore wind turbine, 7 day for solar roof, 3 minutes of large solar array. I'd tend to think the solar array is the future and not coal don't you? May be re read this several times.. "Even with all those losses, the electric vehicle road trip is still better for the climate than driving a gasoline-powered car. Burning that much coal would release about 310 kilograms of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, compared with 350 kilograms by the 40 gallons of gasoline. Even though coal tends to emit more pollutants than oil for the amount of energy it generates, the efficiency of the electric vehicle, which recharges its battery with every brake, more than makes up the difference." |
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In fact... I just got a check from my power company for $124. In the past year I put in more power back into the grid than I took out, and even after my meager natural gas usage I pulled out a small profit. I also made $2k from the solar company directly in the past year by sending them new customers... so.... Not only did I not take any power from from the grid, I also made about $900 for year which is after my costs for the panels.
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I definitely want a Tesla. Don't care if it needs coal or solar to charge. I just want one because it's cool and fast.
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I test drove a roadster a long time ago. It was fast and fun, but it was a little too small for my 6'3" frame. But even though the Model S is a Sedan, it's freakin' fast, and it feels very much like a real sports car. In fact I'd say its cooler than that. The exterior says sedan. But the speed, handling and acceleration are sick, sick sick. Even the base models are exceptional.
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It's fantastic. The way it's set up right now... I pay ZERO for power.
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I looked into getting solar here and unfortunately I can't. The roof of my house is facing 5 different directions and not one of them is good enough to collect any decent amount of solar. Then again, electricity is dirt-cheap here so Solar would take forever to pay for itself where I live. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods you'll have to show me your setup, and pardon my drool.
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Coal still powers 30% of the US power plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that |
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Also this doesn't take into effect the footprint of battery disposal or even the carbon footprint of building those batteries
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EV Batteries are recycled, not disposed of. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...en-they-retire https://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/publi...ticle2016.html https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/07...in-the-future/ Yes they have a high carbon footprint at almost twice as much as that of a combustion car. But the USE of an electric car makes up the difference. Also there's No burning fuel, no co2 or other greenhouse gasses. Driving it also produces no nitrogen oxide (NOx), no carbon monoxide, no hydrocarbons, and no soot. Congrats - now lets get that down to 0%. More info for you : https://www.directenergy.com/blog/ty...nerated-in-us/
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And that is where we are headed... whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what ideas you put into your head and shit out your mouth. The GOP has been stifling renewables innovation for decades btw. Why don't you back to playing your crosswords and yelling at kids to get off you lawn?
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And just think about what a fucked-up job that is. You spend all day in a deep, dangerous cave that could collapse. It's dark and hot as hell. You inhale shit all day and come out covered in crap and die a slow and fucked-up death for barely $20 an hour average. Pathetic.
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I don't know how you can make that equation.
I have 7 plants of more than 20 units converting to gas. Will take 12-15 years from now to complete. You can't convert these so they tear some down and build anew. Despite the political blames that have went around, I have known this was about to happen for 8 years. It's just cheaper. The power folks got caught with their pants down on this issue as they got de-regulation written exactly as they wanted it and it turns out, they didn't see this coming. Go figure. They certainly will not take the blame to the shareholders, so they blamed it on Obama. ...LOL... Tesla never claimed to be cost efficient. They are a performance car. Priced accordingly. I charge them from a solar array. Pretty cheap for me. |
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And the MINING for the material to make the batteries is destructive to the environment. The Widespread Social And Environmental Destruction Behind Electric Car Batteries And E-Mobility The solution is plant-based fuels, and Congress outlawed the only plant capable of replacing fossil fuels.
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Dumbass.. there are not a lot of coal plants left in operation and no new ones will ever be built in the US..
Vendilldo logic would be like saying keep riding horses because there aren't many gas stations in the old west...
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Electric cars are still in their infancy. Solar is doable.. and the demand is going to skyrocket. Nothing has zero footprint. Hemp looks great, just doubt it will ever come to be.
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Petition on WhiteHouse.gov: Let American Farmers Grow Hemp Once Again to Create Jobs and Rebuild the Rural Economy Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill So why didn't the previous administration do this? Because they were too busy promoting fracking to countries around the world, as well as the fake Solyndra scam. Thanks, Obama!
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But when they were big on the soft coal, the mining safety went out the window as they could not get it out of the ground fast enough. Hence the all those accidents they had 5-10 years ago. Anyone who wants to keep their job does not talk to MSHA when they come. Coal was at it's peak. Couldn't go anywhere but down when external buyers found other sources and made transports for it to get it to market. Again where there were no safety or environmental concerns. Quote:
So what's the problem with everyone else ? Every time someone makes good strides to make commercial operations of it, big oil lobbies for regulation to make it more costly, just like solar and wind. ... We need all of the above approaches to energy since it really is a national security issue. Many of you may find out just how much of a issue it is in your lifetime. The goal should always be to be self dependent by whatever means possible. Yes all of the above energy is the only solution. Everything has hidden cost and effects but some are easier to deal with when you think long term. And they are all possible jobs. One mans waste can be a mans job, heat, light but only if you let it. The petro keepers want it as it is. You want heat ? Pay Master Blaster ! ...LOL... Personally, I'm not worried. But remember, I'm not sharing my solar or other natural energy with anyone when the hammer falls. When you are all done playing politics with energy, the vision I just explained is all you have left, but do you have enough time to convert before disaster ? That's up to you... I'm covered. It's all about 'who do you want to serve' ! |
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But regardless, it's true that EV cars are not perfect. I think you're missing the bigger picture. There is all kinds of damage that we all do the environment every day. Driving cars is just one of them, especially when its just 1 person in the car. Going electric is cheaper, pollutes less, saves energy. It's just smart all around, but it isn't itself a solution to all the worlds problems. But it's a good, important, safe small step. Is it enough? No of course not, and no one thinks that. Not even me. Will or should fossil fuels be eliminated? No. Electricity is great for moving cars, but gas and diesel are better for other machines such as big trucks and construction machinery. Don't be so nervous. EV's, from what I, a bazillion consumers and some genius engineers, scientists and chemists can figure, are a good step towards keeping the planet .001 degree cooler. Just let it happen. You'll save a few bucks, breathe a little easier, get a little less noise on the road, and see a few speed records broken in the meantime.
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Well the Bush family runs oil companies. Clinton and Obama were just corrupt pieces of garbage. Trump however, is finally making moves: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill
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Nope, sulfur comes from fossil fuels, not hemp biomass fuel. Again, hemp is the ONLY plant that is efficient enough to provide fuel on a large scale- which is exactly why it was outlawed in 1937 after big oil lobbied Congress. And the CO2 produced from burning the fuel is absorbed by the next crop in the fields- a green cycle.
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Also a petition on Whitehouse.gov.... Immediately release Donald Trump's full tax returns, with all information needed to verify emoluments clause compliance. Your other link... you fucking crook.... is a bipartisan bill..... Both Democrats and Republicans handling business: Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill McConnell, as well as Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), introduced their hemp legislation as a stand-alone bill in April. The Clintons are done. You are either beating a dead horse or you are scared of them, or both. The democrats are not going to take another chance. Did you see Gore run again?
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The trick is to offset the CO2 in the air. If we know we're going to drive 100,000 miles over 10 years or so, it would be great not to expel CO2 into the are that entire time. Building the ev car will add some, but driving it vs a gas car will add 0 CO2. And right now we need to remove the CO2 from the air, not add to it. Hence, EV's are good. But as a whole, I agree with you that Hemp can be better than gasoline, but this is hard to measure. Gas comes from oil pumped out of the ground, whereas Hemp needs to be farmed. Using that farmspace to grow food instead of fuel is arguably better. I found a good article on the challenges of hemp fuel at http://hig.diva-portal.org/smash/get...TACHMENT01.pdf Long story short: It's not easy. But hey - Get Trump on the horn and ask him to do something about it. He's Trump and he can do anything, right? Surely he can do this for you, right? He's smart enough and cool enough, isn't he? Don't want to ask him? Then stop changing the subject and blaming Obama.
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Vendzilla, go back to using a steam engine. Electric is the present and future. Nothing you say will change that.
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