you are completely missinformed about that.
In switzerland the members of the army have a gun at hope because the MUST before and CAN now.

the number of registered private firearms in switzerland in total is around 25 per 100 citzens. but as gun lovers usually have more than one gun you can assume that less than 10% have a firearm.

you can not buy a firearm without a licence and to get this license you have to go to school, pass a background check, pass a health check and if you ever got in conflict with the law you will not receive this license.

weapons law was tightened in switzerland in 2008 and the number of deads caused by firearms has halved since then. 80% of all gun fatalities in switzerland are suicidal.

Even though switzerland now has a very much stricter weapons law, it is far above average in europe.

3 deaths caused by firearms per 100,000 inhabitants are disproportionately high if you compare this number with Austria (1.9 per 100,000) or Germany (0.9 per 100.00), for example.

but only if you missed it: this number in the USA is 12 per 100,000 and for men even 33 per 100,000.

if you compare this rate with the worst countries in the middle east, USA is just VERY next to Irak on place 2.

so what happend with you facts ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

Read it.. situations are nothing alike, strict regulations on obtaining guns .. just like Aus, and just like Australia many people still own them.

How? Please share your method, which separates people on good and bad ones.

You continue staying a GFY clown.

i don't need to name call like a 5th grader...

Maybe that's because of people and a lack of culture? For example, in my country I can get a license in about 2-3 weeks. After that I can buy a shotgun or a semi-automatic version of AK47 in any arm shop or even order it online for about $500-$600 USD (a price of 5-6 good steaks in a Moscow restaurant). But I don't have one and have no will to own it. All my friends and relatives have no firearms as well. That's because the society is not obsessed with firearms and people don't buy them without a reason. Why would you buy it is you are not a hunter or a sport shooter with your own shooting range? As a result we have a very small gun-related homicide rate. Yes, there was a mass shooting case in Crimea a month ago. But it was one for many-many years.

P.S. Don't forget that in contrast to the States, Russia is very militarized country. Kids learn firearms in schools (I learned AK47 in the school, my son learned AK 47 in the school, my friends learned the same, etc) and also every man aged 18-27 must serve in army here. So people here are trained to use assault rifles, even against their will.

I don't need to read your senile gabble.

Their lives revolve around fear and not facts.
The government is coming for their guns...
The caravan is an invasion........
Illegals are mostly ms 13 and bad hombres...
and so on....

Ok, you went all out to disprove some statistic. What do you have to say about the points that I am actually arguing about...the need for assault weapons like the AR15? Since handguns are used to kill more people, do you want to ban those too?

To say liberals want guns banned is a straw man argument. If that's all you've got, then please try again.

I'll bet I've put more rounds through all types of firearm than you and many other so-called gun lovers on this board. Yet I think there should be more restrictions on firearms. You just think we're all a bunch of pussies who know nothing about guns, and dickhead morons like you are going to educate us about why people need to carry around guns. You don't fucking know jack shit.

I don't want guns banned I just would like our restrictions in order to obtain guns to be stricter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvi...laws_by_nation

Exactly. It should be super hard to get firearms and anyone who doesn't want to jump through the annoying hoops shouldn't have one because that's what the hoops are there for.... To weed out the suckers.

Absolutely Right

I collect guns and I'm a very old man that's absolutely amazed that I'm still alive when I wake up each morning. So I fucking dare them to try and take my guns.

This is how gun laws should work. The real question of this thread shouldn't be why some people want guns banned - this is a strawman argument since nobody is asking for that- it should be why some people are against efficient gun control?

Don't even go there with me as I probably am better versed in the history of that 20 years ago than you will ever be.
Your argument does not hold water for this problem in this day and age.

Even if it did, are you willing to loose your friends and family to protect it for some pipe dream explanation ?

I already know you are going to point the finger at someone and or put up a argument for a fix and all I have to say about it is why isn't 'ANYTHING' being done.

In the case you have not noticed it is getting worse not better.
At the current rate, it will be war in the streets with guns in a way that is worse than anything you have described and what is even worse, your nightmare scenario will be born with martial law from it.

You can sell it but I ain't buy'n it.

Again, nobody wants to take your gund. What the hell is wrong with these people?

An armed civilian can be a mass killer.

How does owning guns helping the IS overthrow governments backed with US, UK, Russia, local military might? And those terrorists are more than willing to die for their cause.

Let me inform you. You already have a corrupt government and didn't do squat.

How do you know someone who owns lots of assault will stay a good person?

Why do you need Assault Weapons?

Why does a very old man need to collect guns?

I collect wall magnets.

His answer will tell us the real problem is the American culture where people need to collect something that is designed to kill.

Then fuck off and stop the bullshit talk.

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals then I'm your #1 ally.


However it takes a good man to stop a bad man. When you're making it difficult for the good guys to fight the bad guys then the bad guys are going to win.

Besides what the fuck do we "control next?" Knives??? Cars??? Fertilizer???


Because I fucking like them!

Do I need another reason?

Shooting guns sure as hell beats knitting and jerking off.

He's Canadian not American.

He's an idiot. I have him blocked. He's a gross disturbed individual with no taste or talent. He has nothing of value to offer.

Shitlibs are coming for your guns! Raaaaaape!

So Canadians are not Americans anymore? Maybe Mexico, Brazil, Argentina Ecuador, Peru, Panama, Colombia etc are not America too? Where did you learn geography?

It's pretty easy really.

If they are diagnosed as having PTSD. Or they are arrested for assault.

Should I go on?

For protection. You know, in the case the government comes to take away my weapons.

I do not need assault rifles. Or any firearms. No one does. If someone needs something for protection, they can have a shotgun.

I have honestly never even seen a gun in real life. Thats Scotland though. Murders here mostly happen with knifes

Yes. Because with the present US laws that's no protection against future mental illnesses and other people in the family owning guns.



No one needs assault weapons except the military and police. So why do you have them.

So everyone with PTSD is a ticking time bomb?

Are you sure that you even know what PTSD is?

And there is the problem. People can collect items that are designed to kill as many as possible merely because they like them.

No one can identify every criminal, mentally unstable person or irate citizen until after the event. Yet everyone in the US and it seems Canada is allowed to collect guns. If you're that interested in guns, decommission all the guns above a handgun or if you regularly go out shooting a shotgun.

Imagine all those murderers having access to guns and given to people who might be future criminals or become mentally unbalanced or want to commit suicide.

So now we should punish people for something they may or may not do in the future?

Old people shouldn't even be allowed to drive let alone own guns.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"hey there sonny boy... wait right there while I put on some reading glasses so I can aim this gun at you"

"when i was your age, we didn't have fancy assault rifles... we had to pour and pack"

what a funny argument.

so let the iran and NK get nukes - they may or may not use it in the future.

give drugs free to buy - people may take it or not take it.

let people drive cars drunk - they may or may not kill someone.

freedom ends where other people freedom starts and the USA have proven that
too many people can not respect that.

but as you never know WHO will and WHO NOT you have to stop it for ALL or make it that hard like in other countries who don't feed their funeral industry on murdered people.

i don´t have PTSD but IF I would be a gun owner and you would say this after i had 3 beers I would shot you.

but don´t worry - i HAD a gun licence but I gave it back.

Do you have any clue how fucking hard it is to legally get a gun?

IE: Back ground checks, police checks, courses that I was mandated to take, etc.
And that's just to own a hunting rifle!

When it comes to restricted guns it's 10X's worse!

I have to inform federal law enforcement each time I put a gun in the trunk of my car in order to transport it to the shooting range. Furthermore the shooting range keeps a record of every time I show up and reports that to the police too. Lastly if I fail to go to the gun range at least once a year then the gun range reports me to the police and I can both lose my license and be criminally charged.

Add that if any of my guns go missing I'm criminally liable during the period it went missing and that I reported its loss to the police. So if I go to dinner on a Friday night and someone breaks into my home and steals a gun and I don't find out until midnight... If they murder someone at 9pm I'm criminally liable.

Yet with all these procedures and laws people still get murdered with guns in this country. The simple fact of the matter is that criminals will always be able to get their hands on a gun and strict laws only make it difficult for the good guys to own them

And Yes... We've got the same Mother Fucking Communist Bastards here in Canada pushing for stricter gun control laws.

yes FUCKING HARD

so maybe you should start to legalize cars first :-)

I'm for a complete handgun ban. and of course assault rifles.

we could do it like England, enact sweeping legislation, a gun buyback program, and strict enforcement and over time solve our gun crisis like the UK and AUS.

i've been called worse than an idiot around here so no biggie.

i will not call you an idiot for that.
this is EXACTLY what I would do.

Guns aren't banned in Australia, my state with a population of 7 million 800,000 guns are registered, there's a collector in my suburb with over 200 guns.

So you certainly can get a gun here in Aus, that 7 million is everyone, pull up a stat like "men aged 18-95" and all of a sudden its like 1 for every 5.

Just gotta be crime free and mentally sane, and I'd guess for many posting.. that would be the issue. Basically here in Aus anyone who wants a gun can buy one.. except for "them"

that's why i didn't say guns are banned in AUS. I did say AUS successfully dealt with their gun crisis. you had a massive buy back for instance, I mentioned that as part of the US solution.

handguns are fully banned in England.

So let me get this straight....


Some militiamen with assault rifles are going to put up a fight against the Army, Navy, Air-Force and Marines with all of their high tech gear and weaponry, communication abilities and thousands of tanks, aircraft and ships? This is isn't colonial times you dumb bitch.

this is not the only joke in his statement.
he forgot to tell us in WHOs eyes a government have to be tyrannical to use a weapon.

I think that the majority of americans feel that they have already a tyrannical government.
god thanks it is the more peaceful part.

he also forgets that any kind of government can only get in power with millions
of followers. so what he is talking about is a civil war.