Trump has China quaking in its boots

[OneHungLo]

Sun Tzu-like strategic genius Trump is killing China. Their economy is down 20% and their currency is taking a dump
Thank god we have Trump running shit because Hillary would have taken a large "donation" to her "charity" and called it a day with China.

With China still running a record trade surplus with the US, it seems premature — to say the least — to say that Trump has won his long-overdue trade war with China.

But it is not too early to conclude that, despite their threat of retaliatory tariffs, China’s Communist authorities know that they have lost.

The increased tariffs to date, combined with the threat of more, have already clipped the wings of China’s economic rise. Its stock market is down 21 percent year over year, industrial output is slowing and its currency is weakening.

Looking beyond the bluff and bluster emanating from Beijing, there is evidence that Party leader Xi Jinping is looking for a way to stand down.

Let’s read the Chinese tea leaves.

In early July Xi ordered state-media outlets to tone down their rhetoric. “Self-deception and boasting will not bring about true self-confidence and pride,” the official Communist Party newspaper dutifully editorialized.

This sudden modesty was a striking turnabout from five years of constant bragging — by none other than “Core Leader” Xi himself.

Almost from the moment he took power in 2012, the Chinese leader was so confident that his own country’s rise was unstoppable, and so certain that America was in terminal decline, that he openly boasted about the China-dominated world to come.

He even drew up a series of grandiose plans — China would dominate high tech by 2025, the Asia-Pacific region by 2035 and the world by 2049.

Xi may try to blame his propaganda flacks for overdoing it, but the Chinese people know who is responsible. In backing off the braggadocio, Xi is “slapping his own face,” as the Chinese say.

The Chinese state-run media has been busily throwing up a smokescreen to cover Xi’s retreat. It has launched increasingly unhinged attacks on what it calls the “lunatic,” “insane” and “terroristic” Trump administration.

After all, the masses must be told who to blame for China’s recent economic difficulties.

The official Global Times has even published an article calling for US administration officials to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office.


In private, however, senior Chinese officials have come to view Trump as a Sun Tzu-like strategic genius.

Yes, you heard me right.

After the election, Xi Jinping tried to rope Europe and other Asian countries into a new, anti-US coalition, only to see this initiative fail.

The EU recoiled from Xi’s embrace and is now in serious free and fair trade talks with Washington.

Even the Philippines, which Xi tried desperately to woo with the promise of billions in investments, has now backed away from China.

But as Xi was stumbling, Trump went on the offensive. He signed a new trade agreement with South Korea and expanded defense cooperation with Japan and Australia.

Using the threat of tariffs as leverage, he even got Xi to agree to UN sanctions against North Korea, stifling the economy of China’s only formal ally.

This week, with the successful renegotiation of a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada — the USMCA — Trump is now able to control China’s access to the entire North American market.

Beijing officials now realize, even if many in the US foreign policy establishment don’t, that they are facing a master tactician, one who is moving steadily from deal to deal, getting as many concessions as he can, and then moving on the next.

But they also see Trump as not just transactional, but strategic. He is pressuring China not just on the economic front, but on the military and ideological front as well. They fear that his goal is not just to rectify the trade deficit, but to eliminate the threat that a rising China poses to the US.

The Chinese have been set on their heels by an American adversary who quotes Sun Tzu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

The Art of War has met The Art of the Deal. And The Art of the Deal has won.

Only the terms of the surrender remain to be negotiated.

China is eager to resume talks but, as Trump said this week, he is in no hurry to reach a deal.

I am pretty sure he means that China is not yet sufficiently subdued.

Steven W. Mosher is the author of “Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream is the New Threat to World Order.”

https://nypost.com/2018/10/06/trump-...-in-its-boots/

[Bladewire]

The New York Post

You are so desperate

[pimpmaster9000]

and in other news, fat people have started running faster and winning races with skinny people




"Chinese officials have come to view Trump as a Sun Tzu-like strategic genius."



trust me...NOBODY outside the USA views trump as a genius...not even while on tons and tons of LSD and mushrooms

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

trust me...NOBODY outside the USA views trump as a genius...not even while on tons and tons of LSD and mushrooms

↑↑↑ Truth

[dyna mo]

Obviously, his bullying asshole trade tactics worked on Canada, and it appears they will ultimately work on China. the problem is he can't control his bullying asshole nature.

[pimpmaster9000]

the last 10 years shanghai composite...trump is not even a blip on the radar

what is a cyclical market?

[Bladewire]

As I've said many times before, I'd like nothing more that to see China back to 3rd world country status as they've fucked us over in every way, at every turn, and now they're trying to dominate us. Fuck them.

Tarriffs and trade wars are a double edged sword and only looking at the damage fone to China, and not us, is foolish. There are losses on both sides which is why Trump is subsidizing Farmers imoac5ed by the tarrifs.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

As I've said many times before, I'd like nothing more that to see China back to 3rd world country status as they've fucked us over in every way, at every turn, and now they're trying to dominate us. Fuck them.

yes they put a gun to your head "come here greedy capitalists and fuck over your own domestic production with our cheap labor"

spoons do not make people fat bladewire...people do it to themselves...you can not blame them for acting exactly like the USA...

[dyna mo]

poor serbie, trying to look relevant.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

As I've said many times before, I'd like nothing more that to see China back to 3rd world country status as they've fucked us over in every way, at every turn, and now they're trying to dominate us. Fuck them.

Tarriffs and trade wars are a double edged sword and only looking at the damage fone to China, and not us, is foolish. There are losses on both sides which is why Trump is subsidizing Farmers imoac5ed by the tarrifs.

Trump is playing chess not checkers and your lib news sources do not report half of the positive shit that's going on. That USMCA trade deal was pure genius. The whole deal was not only good for us, but it keeps China shut out of making any deals with Mexico and Canada, since we have the power to veto any trade deals they (MEX & CA) may make with other countries (mainly China).

See what crusifissio, Mr.BB, Nazi Tommy and all the other American hating libs on this board don't tell you is we are the massive swinging dick in the room and just about every country needs access to our markets, not the other way around. Glad to finally have someone in charge that recognizes this and is willing to dickslap these other countries that have been walking all over our weak politicians for the last 25 years.

The alternative was Hillary, and what the fuck do you think she would have been doing about this? Would you rather have Trump set up a dummy charity and take a "donation" from China?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Trump is playing chess not checkers and your lib news sources do not report half of the positive shit that's going on. That USMCA trade deal was pure genius. The whole deal was not only good for us, but it keeps China shut out of making any deals with Mexico and Canada, since we have the power to veto any trade deals they (MEX & CA) may make with other countries (mainly China).

See what crusifissio, Mr.BB, Nazi Tommy and all the other American hating libs on this board don't tell you is we are the massive swinging dick in the room and just about every country needs access to our markets, not the other way around. Glad to finally have someone in charge that recognizes this and is willing to dickslap these other countries that have been walking all over our weak politicians for the last 25 years.

The alternative was Hillary, and what the fuck do you think she would have been doing about this? Would you rather have Trump set up a dummy charity and take a "donation" from China?

You're clearly high on Nazi sperm again. The Chinese manmade islands in the South China Sea have quadrupled in size and double in number the last 2 years and... never mind not going all over this again. You're only able to keep a narrow focus that's directed by your alt right propoganda and anything negative that happens you will blame on anybody but Trump. Useless

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Trump is playing chess not checkers and your lib news sources do not report half of the positive shit that's going on. That USMCA trade deal was pure genius. The whole deal was not only good for us, but it keeps China shut out of making any deals with Mexico and Canada, since we have the power to veto any trade deals they (MEX & CA) may make with other countries (mainly China).

See what crusifissio, Mr.BB, Nazi Tommy and all the other American hating libs on this board don't tell you is we are the massive swinging dick in the room and just about every country needs access to our markets, not the other way around. Glad to finally have someone in charge that recognizes this and is willing to dickslap these other countries that have been walking all over our weak politicians for the last 25 years.

so we should see some major MAGA soon right OP?


your economy is so "strong" you have to blackmail people to do biz with you

funny how other countries do not have to do this

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're clearly high on Nazi sperm again. The Chinese manmade islands in the South China Sea have quadrupled in size and double in number the last 2 years and... never mind not going all over this again. You're only able to keep a narrow focus that's directed by your alt right propoganda and anything negative that happens you will blame on anybody but Trump. Useless

how dare they do exactly what the USA is doing only 1000000000x more than china

does it hurt to be such a hypocrite?

[Bladewire]

↑^↑ Shellshocked

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑^↑ Shellshocked

hows the terror dollar going? still enforcing it on weak countries?

[Bladewire]

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[pimpmaster9000]

[pimpmaster9000]

isnt it amazing how only the USA has to blackmail other countries in to doing business with them?....only the USA enforces its currency by means of war and will invade if you drop their weapon dollar?....

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

so we should see some major MAGA soon right OP?

You keep saying that but it's right in front of you with record unemployment (record 50 yr low) tax cuts, economy is on fire, china is getting their asses kicked and we're winning every day.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

isnt it amazing how only the USA has to blackmail other countries in to doing business with them?....only the USA enforces its currency by means of war and will invade if you drop their weapon dollar?....

haha that's what happens when you have a big beautiful circumcised penis and a president willing to swing it - we get to write the rules. You want access to our markets, you do what we say. That's how it works in the world of big beautiful cut America dicks.

Let me put it into a perspective I know you'll understand... it's kinda like how facebook & youtube can do what they want in regards to dealing with its users. You want to log into American markets, you play by OUR rules...I'm sure you understand that

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You keep saying that but it's right in front of you with record unemployment (record 50 yr low) tax cuts, economy is on fire, china is getting their asses kicked and we're winning every day.

You're drunk on Nazi cum.

Trump said the jobs report is easily manipulated and BOOM! right after he becomes president it's mysteriously at a record low , and you lick it up

[Nitzer Ebb]

Look who is here crying about USA again The serbian MMA baby.

[BaldBastard]

.. To which Canada replied

"not convinced the controversial clause has any teeth to prevent Canada from moving forward economically with China "as assertively" as possible."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/usm...rade-1.4852269

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Truth

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

.. To which Canada replied

"not convinced the controversial clause has any teeth to prevent Canada from moving forward economically with China "as assertively" as possible."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/usm...rade-1.4852269

Your anti-Americanism clouds your ability to understand that clause. It's a poison pill for the usmca agreement. It is the teeth.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

.. To which Canada replied

"not convinced the controversial clause has any teeth to prevent Canada from moving forward economically with China "as assertively" as possible."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/usm...rade-1.4852269

Oh you're right, they can leave but we can also block their access to our markets.

If they walk from the deal they (CA) are fucked. If we leave they (CA) are fucked.

Again, pure genius move. We're working on the smaller countries and moving up. The rest will fall in line. China will cave and do whatever we say. Watch.

[Busty2]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

trust me...NOBODY outside the USA views trump as a genius...not even while on tons and tons of LSD and mushrooms

Yes !!!!

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Your anti-Americanism clouds your ability to understand that clause. It's a poison pill for the usmca agreement. It is the teeth.

He's not anti American he's quoting a Canadian official

[beerptrol]

I see that the alt right chumpanzees are still licking Putin's cum out of Chump's asshole

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He's not anti American he's quoting a Canadian official

1. I'm an adult who can read.

2. I concluded he's Anti-American a long time ago and have been pointing that out to him, as have others.

3. he doesn't need you to argue on his behalf about him being anti-American

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Your anti-Americanism clouds your ability to understand that clause. It's a poison pill for the usmca agreement. It is the teeth.

Wow ....

America first ( for americans ) is all OK ...
But Canada first ( for canadians ) is being anti-america !!!!!

Trudeau lost my vote, that is sure .... Is that also anti-america ?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

1. I'm an adult who can read.

2. I concluded he's Anti-American a long time ago and have been pointing that out to him, as have others.

3. he doesn't need you to argue on his behalf about him being anti-American

He's not anti-American and he has a long history of pro-American posts. Pointing out that Rupert Murdock hates America and is sewing discord in American society and should be stopped is a pro-American stance.

[dyna mo]

I can form my own thoughts based on my own interactions with the anti-American and don't have any need whatsoever to argue with you two over my view of the anti-American. If I felt like it I could easily make this a multipage thread loaded with his anti-American posts if I cared what you 2 thought about my thoughts on him.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Wow ....

America first ( for americans ) is all OK ...
But Canada first ( for canadians ) is being anti-america !!!!!

Trudeau lost my vote, that is sure .... Is that also anti-america ?

Trudoil is as big a clown as trump and should have made a better deal months ago for Canada. Tough luck.

[BaldBastard]

Which country has touted a free trade deal with China?

Mexico, Canada, or Trumps USA?

The clause is a controversial one, good luck implementing it but reality is none of the countries involved are negotiating a free trade deal with China, well except for China whose stated they want to open their economy as they don't have the means to supply their population.

Any trade imbalance naturally diminishes as Chinas population moves to middle class its only a matter of years until they won't be able to buy enough western products, keep in mind China has seen a growth in wages of 400% in the past 10 years, its cheaper to make products now in parts of Europe than it is China.

China is in the top 3 trading partners of most industrial nations.. including the USA, Any harm done to China bites America and its allies back in the ass.

USA has been buffered this year with loot money being returned, that's not the case next year, China is the major growth area for your international companies.

Chinese dollar has fallen, American dollar has strengthened. For every $1 China was making in January.. their now making $1.20, biggest holder of American debt is.. China, China thanks Trump for the extra interest he's paying them.

No body wins a trade war, its going to come down to which leader wants to do their population the most harm, if China wants to fuck Trump back, not a gentle slap like they've been doing... they have numerous options, none are good for the American tax payer.

Even under the TPP deal it was only going to slow the growth of China, not stop it.... 1.8 Billion vs .35 million... sorry you lose.

[dyna mo]

anyone who pays attention to these things knows the major future markets are in India. China market has been slowing for a while.

and your assumptions about the trade war with china are just that- assumptions. you claimed trump's trade war with Ca would be devastating for the US tax payer too.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

No body wins a trade war,

I"m happy to be the one to tell you USA just won the trade war with ca. this thread is about that. you think clause 32.10 is a win for ca? ca is very lucky trudoil came around.

[dyna mo]

and ftr, I loathe trump's negotiating style. nevertheless, the fact is he was going to brutalize the ca economy if ca didn't come to the table and make concessions. if ca had come to the table earlier, perhaps clause 32.10 would not even be in the agreement. the longer trudoil stood defiant against trump, the worse trudoil made it for canadians.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

anyone who pays attention to these things knows the major future markets are in India. China market has been slowing for a while.

and your assumptions about the trade war with china are just that- assumptions. you claimed trump's trade war with Ca would be devastating for the US tax payer too.

China is much more advanced than India, India/ Indonesia become the slave markets of the world as emerging economy's, but they don't have the population or buying power of China in our life times.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

haha that's what happens when you have a big beautiful circumcised penis and a president willing to swing it - we get to write the rules. You want access to our markets, you do what we say. That's how it works in the world of big beautiful cut America dicks.

no it is a major sign of weakness if you have a weapon dollar that is enforced with war and when you have to blackmail the rest of the world to do business with you

just keep pushing LOL...I hope trump wins 2020 I really do...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

China is much more advanced than India, India/ Indonesia become the slave markets of the world as emerging economy's, but they don't have the population or buying power of China in our life times.

the numbers don't lie and neither does reality. India economy is exploding. will it match china's has nothing to do with the fact that you are wrong with your doom and gloom assessment of the USA.

[dyna mo]

anyone that thinks China has already won against the USA is deluding themselves.



Conclusion:
China's births have been collapsing for decades, China's childbearing population is collapsing, China's working age population is now falling, and so it follows that China's domestic markets have begun shrinking and this shrinkage will only continue to accelerate indefinitely. Add to this, the export markets for 90%+ of their exports are hardly growing, and in about a decade, all but Africa and India's under 65-year-old populations will likewise be shrinking.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/415...class-set-bust

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

anyone that thinks China has already won against the USA is deluding themselves.



Conclusion:
China's births have been collapsing for decades, China's childbearing population is collapsing, China's working age population is now falling, and so it follows that China's domestic markets have begun shrinking and this shrinkage will only continue to accelerate indefinitely. Add to this, the export markets for 90%+ of their exports are hardly growing, and in about a decade, all but Africa and India's under 65-year-old populations will likewise be shrinking.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/415...class-set-bust

Same author, same site.. this time America

https://seekingalpha.com/article/413...tion-declining

Chinas still the biggest, India and Indonesia right behind them, but it doesn't matter who's side you want to fall on, those three will be the biggest economy's in the world.. it can't be stopped, slowed maybe but not stopped.

America isolating themselves, speeds the process up all you get is a very short term gain.

[dyna mo]

1. Uncertainty haunts China’s middle class
Beijing may have to think again about domestic consumption being the main economic driver as rising debt levels take their toll on willingness to spend
https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight...s-middle-class

2. China's Middle Class don’t receive benefits for healthcare, education, or retirement from the state. And it doesn’t vote. Therefore, it’s increasingly taxed indirectly via an expensive healthcare system, education, and the fact that there are almost no retirement benefits.

http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas...owing-dilemma/

1 + 2 =

3. India overtakes China as the most promising market for retail expansion

China fell out of the No. 1 spot in a ranking of the most promising markets for retail expansion.

India took the top spot, helped by its expanding economy, booming consumption rates, urbanizing population and growing middle class.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/05/indi...expansion.html

[dyna mo]

the fact is that china's business model can and is being knocked off and it's very easy to do- cheap labor. china doesn't have a monopoly on cheap labor and many other countries are encroaching on it. The race for cheaper manufacturing is on and millions of jobs have already been relocated AWAY from China and established in cheaper labor areas like Africa and beyond. Robotization will also seriously harm China's business model.

it's glib to assume USA has already lost to China and only an anti-American would try and make such an exclamation.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

no it is a major sign of weakness if you have a weapon dollar that is enforced with war and when you have to blackmail the rest of the world to do business with you

just keep pushing LOL...I hope trump wins 2020 I really do...

Haha you may be saying that on here but you know damn well your American hating self knows Trump is going in hard on that ass. No lube for you. You without-a-fucking-doubt want Trump out of office. You'd love nothing more to have a crony like Hillary in there pushing special interests groups and fucking this country up.

Trump is a tactical genius dismantling all these shitty trade deals these crony bought-and-paid for politicians let the American people get ass raped by for decades.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the fact is that china's business model can and is being knocked off and it's very easy to do- cheap labor. china doesn't have a monopoly on cheap labor and many other countries are encroaching on it. The race for cheaper manufacturing is on and millions of jobs have already been relocated AWAY from China and established in cheaper labor areas like Africa and beyond. Robotization will also seriously harm China's business model.

it's glib to assume USA has already lost to China and only an anti-American would try and make such an exclamation.

That's what Mrbb fails to grasp is that China is our lowly labor. Nothing more. Manufacturing. They don't actually create anything except when they steal our technology. Where will China be when the manufacturing goes away?

[dyna mo]

"Bad debts in China are increasing significantly faster than what the Chinese central bank reports, according to a prominent Chinese banking analyst.

A report in the Financial Times said that analyst Charlene Chu believes that China's accumulation of bad debts is $US6.8 trillion higher than the official government figures.

That's more than five times higher than the value of loans which are officially reported as either non-performing or one level above non-performing.

If total non-performing loans really are $US7.6 trillion, it would imply a bad debt ratio of 34%. Chinese government statistics at the end of June reported a bad debt ratio of 5.3%."

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Haha you may be saying that on here but you know damn well your American hating self knows Trump is going in hard on that ass. No lube for you. You without-a-fucking-doubt want Trump out of office. You'd love nothing more to have a crony like Hillary in there pushing special interests groups and fucking this country up.

Trump is a tactical genius dismantling all these shitty trade deals these crony bought-and-paid for politicians let the American people get ass raped by for decades.

it is amusing to watch americans live in their dream bubble...

let me give you some food for thought: I have been through a complete collapse of the economy...it is not so bad...if america went down today, shit would be a BIT uncomfortable for a few months and life would go on....this is how much leverage you really have in the world...it is all in your head...

trust me...I want trump to win 2020 because I believe he is the perfect idiot and he is pissing the world off more and more...your war dollar will mean shit in the future and your purchasing power will go to shit with it...when you lose your ability to export your inflation, you will get fucked financially and others will take over...

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They don't actually create anything except when they steal our technology. Where will China be when the manufacturing goes away?

china already makes better CPUs than the USA that are china design and superior in every way...10$ research dollars in china is like 100$ in the USA at least...americans are nothing special...americans cant even make a TV commercially...your cars are inferior to jap and german...india lauched a mission to mars 20x cheaper than the USA...

you are dynamo dumb if you think that those drug party colleges like berkeleleleleley teach some special secret shit

the USA can make a 1% faster processor,that nobody else is willing to throw money at, but china will just put 2 cheaper ones on a board and get more processing power at 10% of the cost...

america has an "i-advantage" it is hugely over priced and everything else is better and cheaper

fat people do not win races

[dyna mo]

no matter how much serbie kicks and screams, he'll never be relevant.