What exactly did "the last few presidents give away"? Please don't cut and paste something; In your own words tell me what was given up.

The trade balance is at a 375 billion dollar deficit , that will by you a few things

my question was about you and this topic. Euros don't care about europe, they certainly don't care about H-D.

Ive already stated plenty of times all over this board that tariffs are not good. Some are needed in some places but are overbroad, some need and can be removed and make things entirely better for both sides. trudeau had a chance to make one of those deals and failed, instead choosing to play to his base of anti-trump ca. I've also stated that some businesses are going to end up taking a hit due to trump's using tariffs as a negotiating tactic. I've also stated many many times that i disagree with trump's negotiating style, mockingly referring to it as 9 dimensional chess and even going so far as to state verbatim that "trump is no negotiator".

I've also asked the question re: why people need to find a problem with America renegotiating trade deals to work out some issues. I already know the answer to that question- trump is why. it's why i don't waste my time and ask you the question.

well, except for mrbb, he's anti-American/pro-china in general, regardless of trump.

I don't have hate in my heart so I am not able to state I hate trump.

I've stated many times that he's a horrible guy and not my kind of guy and that's primarily due to how much I dislike his propaganda.

You seemed to chant that same message when Obama was president. Suddenly you've changed? What you are telling us, is you are no different than those evil Democrat liberals..

it's another thing I've noticed a long time ago too btw, many anti-trumpers need me to be as emotional as they are about trump.

I'm unable to be that emotional. I'm more of a pragmatic fellow.

My own words, sure, he lifted sanctions on restriction on high tech that China dearly wanted.

California gave them the bay bridge, it's still having problems, you can look this stuff

Chanting the same message?

I that that what you remember is me reminding everyone daily that Democrats were being bitches because they controlled the House, The Senate and the White House and still blamed Republicans for their inability to get anything done.

And today???

Today Democrats are not even pretending to try.
They were on tv last week pretending to cry.
They're not even pretending to care about voters, platforms and the nation.
They just find a new reason every single day to be "outraged" and to complain and call people Nazis and racist and in the meantime, #WalkAway is now a thing as a result.... as you head into the mid terms.

I mean seriously man.... how can you lose all the states, The House, The Senate, The White House and not be gaining serious momentum going into the mid-terms? That is what is supposed to be happening right now... a re-balancing of power. Instead more Blacks, Hispanics and millennials are leaving Democrats. It's completely surreal that Democrats can be LOSING momentum going into the mid-terms. No one outraged about Maxine Waters telling people to attack others? No one here? Well, thats what drives voters away.

You guys have every opportunity in the world to take back everything and then some, but can't get past shouting "i hate Trump" to a cheering crowd of supporters at the far end of the spectrum who are on the far left and you lose the moderate people that actually swing elections.

No he didn't... I don't agree with what he is saying here either but you are using a selective memory.

Yeah, millennial's are not into things we call fun, they can get everything they need from starbuck's and their iPhone9. I would ride every day of my life if I could.

Last T shirt I got at a Harley Dealer was $45 in Orlando, cool shirt though!

Fun watching the chumpanzees defend the Liar In Chief. Harley is moving production do to retaliatory EU tariffs. So try and spin it all you want!

It's the same thing here on the pro-Trump end of the aisle. He's just a guy - the adoration and/or hate seems out of place if you have any rational thought.

It blinds them to reality - I mean, you are SO obviously anti-Trump it would seem self-evident to anyone who can read, yet here they are saying you are pro-Trump.

What does that tell you about their ability to read, interpret and comprehend the news?

That's not a question, that's a statement, and ... ok?

Interesting. I don't know if they are good or not. I'm sure they serve a purpose sometimes.

Agreed.

No and that's not fair. Trump imposed the tarrif out of the blue on several different countries including Canada. Many countries retaliated, including Canada. Donald Trump, the great deal maker and great negotiator, attempted no deal and no negotiation. He just acted.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4244344/u...ada-exemption/


No problem, no argument or disagreement there.


And that's all good Dyna, but it's not what you said. Your very first response to my OP was about Trudeau, which has nothing to do with my OP, and I called you out on it for changing the subject, that's all. What you said just now is arguably pretty relevant.


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Peace & Love.

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I know that was a statement. I made it. It was a statement stating that I asked you a question.

No, it's because Harleys are over-priced pieces of shit that old fucks ride as one last attempt to draw attention to themselves.

it's a valid question pertaining to the topic.

why are euro tariffs on Harley-Davidsons so much more important to a ca than ca?

mark, another question for you since this is a topic important to you.

Why does the eu have tariffs on Harley at all? They already have an insanely high 25% tariff on H-D. Why?

I agree with crocket on this one.

I agree with you on that.


I don't know if they were pretending or not, but I agree they aren't trying hard enough. It seems like they didn't learn much after 2016.

I think they care - they are just still stunned and don't know what to do to win the next election.

I disagree. Trump and his people have done alot of rotten things to make people outraged. Finding new things to be outraged about is easy these days.

Saying that what someone says is racist, is ok. Calling them a racist is not the best idea and deserves scrutiny at least. Calling someone a Nazi shouldn't ever be done without absolute proof.

According to Vox, they are.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-margin-charts

Hopefully though this won't mean that US dems get to sit on their hands (again) this fall.


Maybe, but think about the cost here...

ProofyLinksPlease!

But they aren't...

Except that she didn't tell people to attach others. And Trump's backlash against her is... well, read for yourself: https://nypost.com/2018/06/25/trump-...-you-wish-for/



You could be right, but then again, we're just a bunch of people wasting time on an adult forum.

Yeah Mark, we get it.

You're not thoroughly obsessed as directfiesta is, about Left/Right US politics and biased towards the far Left and just easily set off by anything on the other side.

It's about "Trump".

All about "Trump".

And before Trump,...

.. it was about this republican and that republican and another republican but... not because you're biased to the extreme Left or oddly obsessed with US politics and could care less about Canadian politics... but because [insert any rationale here].

Today you're super concerned with European access to American Harley Davidsons. I know that must really be important to you as it clearly puts Canada right in the middle. It certainly must also hit home. After all, as everyone loves to say, "Harley Davidson motorcycles are the Chevy Volts" of the highways. We also call them Ecocycles here. Do you say that in Canada?

You are quite literally, the least intellectually honest person on this forum.

Why do any countries have tariffs? Tarrifs are used to protect new industries, local jobs, protect consumers, retaliation, etc.

Yep. HD has been having problems for years now. The younger generation has little interest in HD. But this might just be the final nail in the coffin.

That is one year old. Things have changed a lot since just January of this year.

The Dems are SUPPOSED to win by historical standards and were expecting a blue wave for their never-gonna-happen Trump impeachment.

Instead, they have been played into the worst corners you can imagine.

You listen to me you so of a ... beech....sheeet!!!..... you... you're right! Republicans are whacky and Trump is a shit and Canadian politics is boring compared to what you guys have going on. I've already admitted this in other threads, but I'll give you a +1 anyway. Nice find!

Chomsky much?

Oops sorry I did't realize it was out of date.

And yesy, they are SUPPOSED to win. They should win for freak-sakes, but I'm afraid they will lose again.

Protectionism is against wto law.

What new industries or local jobs in Europe are threatened by harley?

Which consumers are in danger from Harley?

Eu tariffs in retaliation are ok but USA tariffs in retaliation are wrong?

Are you outraged that euros break international law to impose 25% tariffs on H-D?

Where do you get this garbage from? California gave China the Bay Bridge?

No, it didn't. Some sections of the Bay Bridge was built in China. And it saved us half a billion dollars.

...and another one. The largest nail maker in the US, just laid off workers in Missouri due to steel tariffs from Trump costing them 50% of their orders.

They import steel from Mexico and now can not compete with nails made out side the US and imported..


So much winning.. it's like starting trade wars instead of negotiating is bad for jobs ..


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/factory...n-crisis-mode/

Who would have known tariffs could be so complicated.. More blanket tariffs with out thought of down the line consequences please! MAGA!!! More Twitter tantrum polices please!


Steel and aluminum production jobs represent a small segment of the U.S. economy -- about 255,000 jobs in steel and 61,000 in aluminum, according to Moody's Investors Service.

Manufacturers and end users make up a much larger portion of the economy. That means tariffs on raw materials, combined with retaliation from angry trading partners, may end up causing more harm than good. An estimate from consulting firm Trade Partnership forecast about 400,000 U.S. jobs lost versus 26,000 created as a result of the metal tariffs.

When Croatia was joining EU, that caused a problem because we were in CEFTA union which was no trade tarrif zone between countries on balkan which are not in EU. Since joining EU meant automatic leaving of CEFTA and reinstatement of trade tariffs, many companies had no choice but to move some of their factories to countries which they target in order to stay profitable.

Like the POTUS himself all his followers dont seem to have the first idea why trade imbalances happen.

Then you have the Trump apologists who think that this ludicrous trade war is Trumps way of negotiating a new trade deal. This is not negotiating, this is acting like a 2 year old.

Trumps spokes persons say that he just want parity, and I have no problem with that if there are genuinely unfair import tarrifs in place. But FFS why can he not act like an adult, pick up the phone and make a case to Americas friends and allies ?

No he just makes ridiculous remarks about “terrible deals”, and other countries “taking advantage” of the US, which any one with a brain knows is nonsense.

Vendzilla is a wonderful example of this - he thinks the trade imbalance is because of tarrifs that the pesky Chinese put on good ol’Uncle Sams honest goods, when the truth is a lot more painful to admit.

The Chinese make good stuff at a price that US consumers want to pay. Simple.

The Chinese are not taking advantage, every post industrial western country has the same problem with low labour cost consumer goods.

Trump needs to open his eyes, listen to the economists that he employs, and stop acting like a fucking jerk. Then the carnage might stop.

Trump is now calling Harley liars and saying Harley is immune from the EU steel tarrifs

Surprised that Harley-Davidson, of all companies, would be the first to wave the White Flag. I fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling into the E.U. - Taxes just a Harley excuse

It's the generation gap.
Back in the day just revvving up your engine at a red light means one thing.
Got a problem, knuckle up and let's just get it on.

It's not like that any more. The Millennial's think the world is theirs. You have the egghead college students that are book smart but not one lick of common street smart sense.

You have the wanna-be tough guys that talk a good game till you get in their face with some serious intentions and watch em back down.

You have some others that chose to venture "Off the set" to a bar and think they own the place. Own the place by THINKING they can hustle up on any race of women. Some bars just are not having that behavior.

● The meth heads
● The ones that stalk out a club waiting to rip your smart phone
● Others wanting to see a reaction as they micky your drink as you're on the dance floor.
● The tough guys following you into the bathroom looking to jack your ass up.
● Walking into the bathroom and all you hear are Snorts coming out of the stall of the coke being snorted. Females in the stall too.
● Walk to the parking lot and some guy is arguing with people leaning against his car.
Had to break that up and as they walked away here comes a freshly popped beer can come flying your way. Airborne beer all over parked cars as the beer can lands wherever.

I bounced in this one club where I kept a eye on this frail dude and his hot girl. He got up to take a piss and she was swarmed. I had to put a end to that and when home boy returned, I advised him and his girl to try another club.
I and the bar can see they wern't from around here making them a target.

It can get a little savage around here on Friday and Saturday nights.

H-D will do fine. Manufacture parts in other countries to avoid the tariffs, thus avoiding increased prices to their Euro customers.

A lot of bikes at the truck stop this weekend, but not many Harleys.

https://i.imgur.com/6DDSJrj.jpg
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Im suprised 2 wheels is enough to carry some of those fat fuckers..

Isn't one of the main ideas behind these tariff keeping jobs here in the US?

Jobs are being created elsewhere for an American company; it is my understanding they have been planning on closing their 3rd plant for many months now. Nothing to do with tariffs.



What is the purpose of the tariff?
A tariff is a tax imposed on the import or export of goods. In general parlance, however, it refers to "import duties" charged at the time goods are imported. Tariffs have three primary functions: to serve as a source of revenue, to protect domestic industries, and to remedy trade distortions (punitive function).

So... They are creating jobs in... Europe.... How does that help jobs in the US?

Harley Davidson is in the process of closing it's Kansas City, Mo., plant, and moving some of that production into its York, Pennsylvania plant. They announced this some time ago. In addition to the plant closing, just today, Harley Davidson announced they are moving jobs to Europe BECAUSE of the tariffs. This isn't someone guessing, this is Harley Davidson telling the world they are making this new move ONLY because of the tariffs.

But whatever. You keep defending your boy there.

My boy? Your President.

This really shows just how stupid Trump cultists are. If they had been planning this for many months and has nothing to do with tariffs then why this?



The company said in a regulatory filing Monday that EU tariffs on its motorcycles exported from the U.S. jumped between 6 percent and 31 percent, adding about $2,200 per average motorcycle exported from the U.S. to the EU.

“Increasing international production to alleviate the EU tariff burden is not the company’s preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe,” the company said in its prepared remarks.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/06/...tion-overseas/


And why is your Dicktator threatening them?

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson: If it moves operations overseas, 'they will be taxed like never before!'