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Old 05-17-2018, 08:40 AM   #1
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Things Trump Jr couldnt remember...

Trump jr needs to see a doctor, he seems to have brain problems..he can't remember much of anything,.

Speaking with Emin Agalarov, a Russian pop star, businessman, and son of a Putin-friendly oligarch, who requested the meeting, on June 6 and June 7. “My phone records show three very short phone calls between Emin and me on June 6th and 7th,” Trump Jr. said. “I do not recall speaking with Emin. It’s possible we left each other voicemails messages. I simply don’t remember.”

Speaking with Jared Kushner or Paul Manafort about the Trump Tower meeting: “I do not recall ever discussing it with Jared, Paul, or anyone else. In short, I gave it no further thought.”

Whether Agalarov’s publicist Rob Goldstone, who brokered the Trump Tower meeting, tried to set up other meetings with Russia officials and Trump campaign

Whether the Trump organization tried to pursue other projects with Agalarov.

Whether lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer Rinat Akhmetshin was at the Trump Tower meeting.

If a Russian participant in the meeting requested that Trump repeal the Magnitsky Act, which imposes sanctions on organizations and government bodies linked with the murder of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky.

Discussing the “Vote Trump” VKontakte page with Goldstone, who had offered to set up a page on the Russian version of Facebook to gather support for Trump.

Whether Manafort asked questions or made comments in the Trump Tower meeting

Whether Trump Jr. had any contacts with attendees after the meeting

Whether Trump Jr. discussed his statement about the meeting with other attendees. (“Not that I recall. I may have, but certainly not before the first statement.”)

Ever talking to the Trump campaign’s foreign policy advisor, Carter Page.

What Trump campaign foreign advisor George Papadopoulos did on the campaign.

What consultant and lobbyist Rick Gates’ role and/or title in the campaign was (Gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the US in the election-meddling investigation.)

Speaking to anyone about Goldstone’s email promising incriminating details on Hillary Clinton.

Whether Trump Jr. gave any thought to Goldstone’s email about Clinton, or followed up after the first reply: “I don’t know that it alarmed me, but like I said, I don’t know and I don’t know that I was all that focused on it at the time. […] I don’t know because I don’t remember thinking about it at the time. […] I responded in 20 minutes because if I get an e-mail I respond to it. If I see it, I respond. And, again, I didn’t follow up. I don’t know that I ever followed up other than in response to Rob following up with me three days later.”

Whether he “loved” that the potentially damaging information on Clinton came from the Russian government’s support for Trump.

Whether the call he received from Manafort on June 7 was about the meeting.

Whether he spoke to Manafort about the meeting during a phone call on June 8.

Speaking to Kushner 15 minutes after the Manafort call on June 8.

Whether he discussed with Manafort and Kushner getting an email with the subject line “Russia-Clinton, private and confidential.”

Whether he spoke to Kushner about the Trump Tower meeting before the New York Times reported on the emails.

What he asked about Clinton during the Trump Tower meeting.

Whether he ever met Russian ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.

Whether anyone from the campaign met with Sergey Kislyak.

Whether there were Russian investors in underlying Trump Organization development projects.

Whether the Trump Organization did due diligence or background checks on real estate developer Felix Sater before engaging in business with him.

When Trump Jr. learned about Sater’s criminal history.

Who secured financing for Manhattan hotel Trump SoHo.

Whether the Trump Organization tracks who buys properties from them in all-cash.

Whether Trump Jr. ever met Russian oligarch and real estate developer Aras Agalarov, Emin’s father.

When he heard that Wikileaks had hacked the emails of John Podesta, then chairman of the Clinton campaign, and intended to release them online.

Whether the Trump campaign discussed using the hack to their advantage.

Whether he knew investor and GOP operative Peter Smith, who was accused of trying to illegally obtain Clinton’s email and who committed suicide in July 2017.

Talking to political consultant and strategist Roger Stone after the first week of the campaign (Stone has been accused of helping the Russian interference in the US election through his interactions with Wikileaks.)

Discussing former FBI director James Comey’s testimony within Trump Organization.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:18 AM   #2
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I'll give him a little bit of wiggle room here.... If you ask me about a phone call I made over a year ago after a meeting, chances are I wouldn't remember either.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:20 AM   #3
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I'll give him a little bit of wiggle room here.... If you ask me about a phone call I made over a year ago after a meeting, chances are I wouldn't remember either.
I can remember shit from 20 years ago.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:30 AM   #4
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not to nitpick, but the term he used is "I can't/don't recall", not "I don't remember". The reason I bring this up is not to poke at crockett, but because the vocabulary here is important. Jr's legal team coached him to make sure and do not say "I don't remember". There's legal strategy behind that and the word "remember" gives prosecutors an opportunity to pursue the witness on their credibility.

It's interesting to me, years ago I had to testify in a wrongful death case and the lawyers coached me on the same thing.

anyway, Jr didn't fall far from the tree.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:36 AM   #5
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Trump jr needs to see a doctor, he seems to have brain problems..he can't remember much of anything,.

Speaking with Emin Agalarov, a Russian pop star, businessman, and son of a Putin-friendly oligarch, who requested the meeting, on June 6 and June 7. “My phone records show three very short phone calls between Emin and me on June 6th and 7th,” Trump Jr. said. “I do not recall speaking with Emin. It’s possible we left each other voicemails messages. I simply don’t remember.”

Speaking with Jared Kushner or Paul Manafort about the Trump Tower meeting: “I do not recall ever discussing it with Jared, Paul, or anyone else. In short, I gave it no further thought.”

Whether Agalarov’s publicist Rob Goldstone, who brokered the Trump Tower meeting, tried to set up other meetings with Russia officials and Trump campaign

Whether the Trump organization tried to pursue other projects with Agalarov.

Whether lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer Rinat Akhmetshin was at the Trump Tower meeting.

If a Russian participant in the meeting requested that Trump repeal the Magnitsky Act, which imposes sanctions on organizations and government bodies linked with the murder of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky.

Discussing the “Vote Trump” VKontakte page with Goldstone, who had offered to set up a page on the Russian version of Facebook to gather support for Trump.

Whether Manafort asked questions or made comments in the Trump Tower meeting

Whether Trump Jr. had any contacts with attendees after the meeting

Whether Trump Jr. discussed his statement about the meeting with other attendees. (“Not that I recall. I may have, but certainly not before the first statement.”)

Ever talking to the Trump campaign’s foreign policy advisor, Carter Page.

What Trump campaign foreign advisor George Papadopoulos did on the campaign.

What consultant and lobbyist Rick Gates’ role and/or title in the campaign was (Gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the US in the election-meddling investigation.)

Speaking to anyone about Goldstone’s email promising incriminating details on Hillary Clinton.

Whether Trump Jr. gave any thought to Goldstone’s email about Clinton, or followed up after the first reply: “I don’t know that it alarmed me, but like I said, I don’t know and I don’t know that I was all that focused on it at the time. […] I don’t know because I don’t remember thinking about it at the time. […] I responded in 20 minutes because if I get an e-mail I respond to it. If I see it, I respond. And, again, I didn’t follow up. I don’t know that I ever followed up other than in response to Rob following up with me three days later.”

Whether he “loved” that the potentially damaging information on Clinton came from the Russian government’s support for Trump.

Whether the call he received from Manafort on June 7 was about the meeting.

Whether he spoke to Manafort about the meeting during a phone call on June 8.

Speaking to Kushner 15 minutes after the Manafort call on June 8.

Whether he discussed with Manafort and Kushner getting an email with the subject line “Russia-Clinton, private and confidential.”

Whether he spoke to Kushner about the Trump Tower meeting before the New York Times reported on the emails.

What he asked about Clinton during the Trump Tower meeting.

Whether he ever met Russian ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.

Whether anyone from the campaign met with Sergey Kislyak.

Whether there were Russian investors in underlying Trump Organization development projects.

Whether the Trump Organization did due diligence or background checks on real estate developer Felix Sater before engaging in business with him.

When Trump Jr. learned about Sater’s criminal history.

Who secured financing for Manhattan hotel Trump SoHo.

Whether the Trump Organization tracks who buys properties from them in all-cash.

Whether Trump Jr. ever met Russian oligarch and real estate developer Aras Agalarov, Emin’s father.

When he heard that Wikileaks had hacked the emails of John Podesta, then chairman of the Clinton campaign, and intended to release them online.

Whether the Trump campaign discussed using the hack to their advantage.

Whether he knew investor and GOP operative Peter Smith, who was accused of trying to illegally obtain Clinton’s email and who committed suicide in July 2017.

Talking to political consultant and strategist Roger Stone after the first week of the campaign (Stone has been accused of helping the Russian interference in the US election through his interactions with Wikileaks.)

Discussing former FBI director James Comey’s testimony within Trump Organization.
Just stating the obvious.
"I don't remember" is short for "yes", because if the answer was "no" he would have said "no".
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:39 AM   #6
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Just stating the obvious.
"I don't remember" is short for "yes", because if the answer was "no" he would have said "no".
exactly. Thus, "I don't recall".

fascinating legalese.
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exactly. Thus, "I don't recall".

fascinating legalese.

Actually it became popular with Reagan during the Iran Contra hearings.
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Actually it became popular with Reagan during the Iran Contra hearings.
Actually I wasn't suggesting it was all the sudden popular, or even a timeline of its popularity at all. I was simply sharing my experience with the term from years ago.
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I can remember shit from 20 years ago.
I can't, but I take a lot of notes. A LOT.
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not to nitpick, but the term he used is "I can't/don't recall", not "I don't remember". The reason I bring this up is not to poke at crockett, but because the vocabulary here is important. Jr's legal team coached him to make sure and do not say "I don't remember". There's legal strategy behind that and the word "remember" gives prosecutors an opportunity to pursue the witness on their credibility.

It's interesting to me, years ago I had to testify in a wrongful death case and the lawyers coached me on the same thing.

anyway, Jr didn't fall far from the tree.
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Slick Willie knows how to play!
At least he was dillying an intern, not barebacking a porn star and being stupid enough to pay her thinking it would shut her up .

Side note: Stormy Daniels attorney has taken on two new clients that TЯump paid a lot more money to shut up than Stormy Daniels was paid
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