Thanks for all the info everyone. Lots of good stuff

:thumbsup
Oz

Hey Oz...If you are looking for a corporate cookie cutter type Goth site i just launched one for the www.dollarmachine.com program yesterday. www.gothfuck.com

And for those that will inevitably ask it is converting at about 1:150 so far.

Wow, do you think you could rip off any MORE of my GothicSluts.com design and sales terminology?

Forrest-

maybe I'm not seeing it - but where's the ripoff? Gothicfuck looks good but a heads up - the pop ups are screwed.

I'm sure gothic could be profitable...but dealing with the people is like dealing with high schoolers who aren't "understood" and haven't realized the value of prozac...

best of luck -
aeon

Well, I don't totally disagree about the prozac, but it depends on which people you are dealing with.

First, the logo is nearly the same and written in the same font.

Here is one of the only pages on the GothicSluts.com tour that has non-exclusive images: http://www.GothicSluts.com/gothic_sex2.html
and those same images are primary content for the GothFuck tour. I could go on, but I think it's a reasonable claim on those points already.

Forrest-

as you pointed out...non-exclusive - it's a business. Want something protected - pay for exclusive.

as far as fonts...that's just petty - one site is professionally designed - one isn't...

wait a minute...doesn't yahoo use "arial" too?

best of luck -
aeon

ForrestBlack, Ian and others with Goth sites

there is not a reason goth sites shouldnt convert on the same level as most other niches. The problem here is not the traffic from affiliates, the problem is each one of Goth sites i looked at.


Ians sites and Spoocycash sites have way too many banners, and links to other sites on the tours to steal my traffic.


lets break it down site by site
barelyevil.com < i cant surf this site without beeing slammed by the exit consol. A little hard to navigate.
gothicsluts.com < is the cleanest of all sites, BUT still has a banner to blueblood.net on every single page including the join pages.
http://www.blood-dolls.com < its easier to find links to other sites than a way to enter the site.
I'll save you some time Ian, all your tours such in the same way. And many are hard to vagiate.


bottom line if both of you dont do some drastic changes soon, you wont survive for much longer this way.
And dont forget to look at your new competition gothfuck.com
NICE CLEAN TOUR, and $35 per free sign up.


ElvisManson, i'm about to send you my goth traffic, i'll post results in few days.

ForrestBlack, dont you think its a little silly for you to be saying someone stole your fonts ??

come on now,
your site is nearly an identical copy of a very popular site

http://suicidegirls.com/main.sg < their site
http://www.barelyevil.com/home.html < your site

Yeah, I realize it's GFY and all, but there really isn't any call for you to be a jerk. So, the design elements and logo are similar, big deal. I didn't say it was the end of the world, and to be totally accurate, I have grounds to call pretty much anything in the niche a rip on my stuff, to one degree or another. Do you really think I'm saying they have no right to use that stuff? Not at all. I just think it's funny that designers don't even know what the fuck Gothic content is, unless they see us use it first.

Forrest-

It's lonely at the top.

Actually not trying to be a jerk...dunno you enough to be a jerk and I'm not exactly a regular here. Put it this way - I wouldn't want to accuse/dance with any sponsor program unless I was absolutely sure my point would hold up...they have a nasty habit of including lawyers.

Most don't take too kindly to being accused of stealing...

best of luck -
aeon

Depends on the site. But this niche does decent.

I invented Gothic.

No No No! I invented Gothic!

No, you just spit black.

I left darkdollars to get out of the goth niche...I guess I was mainly in it because it's my preferred niche, but it became my albatross as that's all anyone ever thought about when thinking of me...so I moved on to bigger and better...goth converts quite well, but it's a very small, very finite niche....
you have to balance "should I cater to the hardcore goth crowd or the "mainstream fratboy who just saw The Craft and wants a wank at a Fairuza Balk wannabe?" Well, the "hardcore" goths don't seem to spend as much as the fratboys, but the one who do stay longer...

I just decided I'm no longer in the business to indulge in my own personal tastes, I'm here to make money....

then I can afford all the gothic hookers, strippers and adult performers I want........

Sykk killed the thread.

http://www.rubber-doll.com/gore.gif

:)

behold the mighty gothic thread killa!


I still want to produce a BangHearse site though....driving a hearse through a cemetary and picking up goth chicks......maybe a little bloodplay and some tombstone humpin'

I was trying to figure out who is going to pay to see this stuff.

Every "goth" I've known is always broke, and the "goths sex" girls are about as attractive as a paxil commercial.

Some of the glamour stuff black & white stuff is very nice - but selling a site membership based on that can't be easy.

If there was bloodsports added I could see a highpaying dedicated niche market - but thats a whole lotta legal trouble.

I'll buy a hearse.

As long as Hot Topic keeps shoving their trendy gothic fashion down the throats of today's youth, the goth niche can only flourish.

I saw one for sale recently in the Vegas paper...hehehe

I'm not sure if I'd want to play it straight or as a campy spoof of the bangbus type stuff...if a spoof, not sure how many would "get it"



gruffy, I find goth girls very hot, it's that whole mysterious vibe.....it's the anti-blonde bimbo thing I have....but, yeah, it is a tough market....and it was where we were with darkdollars...do we keep it "real" and jjust get by or do we appeal a bit more mainstream and sell more memebrships but piss off longtime subscribers who are offfended by watering it down...

I have a silly gothic jew friend that I make fun of when he gets drunk.

Oy, I'm so depressed.. pass me a clove.

Heh, can't go wrong with a slut rising from the dead and sucking off the driver.

Can you please post the key for this graph?

Thanks ...

ooh, zombie fucking...never even thought of that angle...

suddenly Wendy O. Williams "You're A Zombie" is playing in my head.......

hahaha yeah hearse bang

Or spin it off as horny vampire chick.

Either way its gold.


Now paypal me %20 of what it makes so I don't have to come break your legs.

I used to work for a company that did custom videos and e would get a lot of request for vampire stuff...

I've been considering some horror-porn type stuff...it pisses off the white hats, but a nice comb of flesh, blood, danger and flesh would do well, IMHO :)

Jason Does Dallas
Nightmare On Naked Blond Bimbo Street
Pornoween


hmmmmm, the wheels are turning, the stomach in churning...beds are burning.....

I would hit that......twice...and go back for anal......

She fucked boneprone, with a spiked strap-on.

That's like my dream girl....the type that when she's done humping me into the bed, she'll drive an icepick into the back of my skull during the finishing kiss......

Kind of Basic Instinct with a more unusual haircut? :thumbsup

:1orglaugh Well put. I love you.

Might be lonely, but it beats the alternative.

:1orglaugh <hahahaha= laughing so hard I may rupture something

Forrest is in charge of the look and feel of the SpookyCash.com sites, so he is sensitive to people riffing on his designs. I don't think it is that big a deal. In any niche, the real thing converts better than the corporate style sites do. Anyone in this thread who knows the niche knows why it is hysterical that you just made the comparison you did. Send GothicSluts.com (the site you are most comfortable with the tour on) some productive traffic and I'll give you a free history lesson at your request.

Love, Amelia

:1orglaugh <------ laughing so hard I may rupture something

Forrest is in charge of the look and feel of the SpookyCash.com sites, so he is sensitive to people riffing on his designs. I don't think it is that big a deal. In any niche, the real thing converts better than the corporate style sites do. Anyone in this thread who knows the niche knows why it is hysterical that you just made the comparison you did. Send GothicSluts.com (the site you are most comfortable with the tour on) some productive traffic and I'll give you a free history lesson at your request.

Love, Amelia

Hey, I double-posted. Maybe I did rupture something...