Swoit - business model does not work - GoFuckYourself.com

Krome · 04-25-2003, 05:23 AM

50% - Affiliates
40% - Partner sites
10 % - Adminsitration - I presume this means CC processing....where do they make there profit? No profit no business...

freeme · 04-25-2003, 05:25 AM

Hmmm a junoir rocket scientist

maybe NASA is looking for someone

Digipimp · 04-25-2003, 05:26 AM

They make their profit because you really have no idea how many paying members are browsing your paysites so they can just skim off the top unless they open their books to every single person in the program.

gothweb · 04-25-2003, 05:27 AM

Actually, there is a way they can make money. They can be their own biggest affiliate, and make 50% of a chunk of the sales.

Also, they could be making money off the admin if they do their own billing. Probably too close to actually make money, though, you're right.

freeme · 04-25-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digipimp
They make their profit because you really have no idea how many paying members are browsing your paysites so they can just skim off the top unless they open their books to every single person in the program.

hmm another 1

maybe you guys can apply to NASA as a team

integrated · 04-25-2003, 05:29 AM

like all programs they will shave you till you bleed

KRL · 04-25-2003, 05:36 AM

Mario Puzo's line in the book "The Godfather" . . .

"Behind every fortune is a crime."

Rochard · 04-25-2003, 05:38 AM

Exits? Popups? Banners? Upsells?

EVERY FUCKING EMAIL FROM EVERY SITE WILL RUN THROUGH THEM.

How about that.

slavdogg · 04-25-2003, 05:39 AM

those that add their sites early on will make the most money
insead of bashing i would add a site and test it out
i'm sure most of you have premade active sites and templets you can transfer there.

give it a try and than come back and tell everyone how it did

Serge_Oprano · 04-25-2003, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Mario Puzo's line in the book "The Godfather" . . .

"Behind every fortune is a crime."

puuuhhlleezze!!!!

this is NOT Mario Puzzo,
this is Onore DeBalsak from
"Human Comedy"
about 120 years BEFORE
Mario Puzzo
;-))

Serge_Oprano · 04-25-2003, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg
those that add their sites early on will make the most money
insead of bashing i would add a site and test it out
i'm sure most of you have premade active sites and templets you can transfer there.

give it a try and than come back and tell everyone how it did

slav, are you kidding?

that would require work and dealing with the FACTS!
this si NOT how GFY Rocket Science operates!
;-))

freeme · 04-25-2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg
those that add their sites early on will make the most money
insead of bashing i would add a site and test it out
i'm sure most of you have premade active sites and templets you can transfer there.

give it a try and than come back and tell everyone how it did

dd2 · 04-25-2003, 07:11 AM

The user is charged $32.95 or something like that, and the affiliate gets $15 which apparently is 50%

so I guess the other $2.95 is the processing fee.

Swoit · 04-25-2003, 08:29 AM

dd2's hit the nail on the head here guys

The flat $15 per signup + $15 recurring takes into account the processing fee.

The 40% that is distributed to paysites is just that - 40% with no exclusions.

Let me know if you have any q's

notjoe · 04-25-2003, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Swoit
dd2's hit the nail on the head here guys

The flat $15 per signup + $15 recurring takes into account the processing fee.

The 40% that is distributed to paysites is just that - 40% with no exclusions.

Let me know if you have any q's

Put up a Video Archive part in your website and i will gladly launch a new DVD Archive site to test your program out with.

European Lee · 04-25-2003, 11:38 AM

Maybe they will withhold their affiliates checks for months and rake in on the interest whilst telling their webmasters that their checks have been mailed out ;)

Nah, affiliate program owners wouldnt do that would they?

Regards,

Lee

SykkBoy · 04-25-2003, 11:48 AM

...or maybe the thing most of you are overlooking...how many of their own sites are in there as well?

and the aforementioned exits, mail catchers, etc.

there are many more ways of making money than just selling memberships to a site ;)

Kimmykim · 04-25-2003, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome
50% - Affiliates
40% - Partner sites
10 % - Adminsitration - I presume this means CC processing....where do they make there profit? No profit no business...

They aren't getting processing for 10% flat from CCBill... and how do they pay their bandwidth etc?

Just curious...

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 11:56 AM

They're splitting 100% of profit after processing fee the way I understand it.

Spunky · 04-25-2003, 11:59 AM

Swoit=Scamming Webmasters Obviously In Time

SetTheWorldonFire · 04-25-2003, 12:01 PM

i still think they are trying to steal my name "STWOF"

cramping my style and shit

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 12:04 PM

Are there any participating sites we can see yet ?

detoxed · 04-25-2003, 12:16 PM

swoit rocks guys, dont diss them

Kimmykim · 04-25-2003, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
They're splitting 100% of profit after processing fee the way I understand it.

100% of profit? Who's determining profit? They are carrying open books so their partners can see what they are paying for hosting, admin expenses, all the costs of running a business?

It's an interesting model, I am very curious as to just how it works.

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 12:22 PM

What I meant by "profit" was everything left after processing fee. Profit was a poor choice. I assumed it was similiar to any of the partnership programs that say you'll get 60% but it's always after processing fee.

MarkTiarra · 04-25-2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
What I meant by "profit" was everything left after processing fee. Profit was a poor choice. I assumed it was similiar to any of the partnership programs that say you'll get 60% but it's always after processing fee.

Darn I thought that meant we can pay people 50% or 60% AFTER we took out limo rides and hooker fees. I'm finding a day job now!

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
Darn I thought that meant we can pay people 50% or 60% AFTER we took out limo rides and hooker fees. I'm finding a day job now!

You couldn't do it and get away with it. You'd end up squealing on yourself.

traffictrader · 04-25-2003, 12:56 PM

it'll work or it won't, just wait a few months.

Serge_Oprano · 04-25-2003, 12:59 PM

people,
I have 2 questions:

1) aren't you tired talking about SWOIT for the 5th day now???

2) is it THAT revolutionary that you just can't stop talking????

3) is there ANYBODY who haven't heard about it yet????

swoit you all!

gothweb · 04-25-2003, 01:01 PM

May programs, including mine, pay their percentage *before* the processing fee.

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 01:10 PM

I haven't used it because it looks like any other AVS to me, except I have less control. As a site owner I'd risk losing all my traffic and income to other sites. I only get paid if they come back to my site, even if it was my member.

Adult Verifier Ultra for example is a more attractive solution in my opinion so far.
http://www.adultverifier.com/av/ultrawebmaster.php3

You can setup a small paysite and get paid every month.
You can pay out $25 per signup if you want and/or a recurring option (up to 70% I think) to your webmaster affiliates. As a site owner, if you have 1000 members.. you get paid for the 1000 members even if they are now visiting another site more often or browsing only the new sites that are added.

Serge_Oprano · 04-25-2003, 01:12 PM

Brujah,
do you know what to do when one's domain been hijacked?

Brujah · 04-25-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Brujah,
do you know what to do when one's domain been hijacked?

The registrar has to be cooperative usually, but email me and I'll try to reply with some contacts and steps to take.

clickmojo AT clickmojo dot com

Serge_Oprano · 04-25-2003, 01:42 PM

ty!

YGM

04-25-2003, 05:23 AM	#1
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Swoit - business model does not work 50% - Affiliates 40% - Partner sites 10 % - Adminsitration - I presume this means CC processing....where do they make there profit? No profit no business...

04-25-2003, 05:26 AM	#3
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	They make their profit because you really have no idea how many paying members are browsing your paysites so they can just skim off the top unless they open their books to every single person in the program. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

04-25-2003, 05:27 AM	#4
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Actually, there is a way they can make money. They can be their own biggest affiliate, and make 50% of a chunk of the sales. Also, they could be making money off the admin if they do their own billing. Probably too close to actually make money, though, you're right. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-25-2003, 05:29 AM	#6
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04-25-2003, 05:36 AM	#7
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04-25-2003, 05:25 AM	#2
freeme Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 924	Hmmm a junoir rocket scientist maybe NASA is looking for someone

04-25-2003, 05:38 AM	#8
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,027	Exits? Popups? Banners? Upsells? EVERY FUCKING EMAIL FROM EVERY SITE WILL RUN THROUGH THEM. How about that. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

04-25-2003, 05:39 AM	#9
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	those that add their sites early on will make the most money insead of bashing i would add a site and test it out i'm sure most of you have premade active sites and templets you can transfer there. give it a try and than come back and tell everyone how it did

04-25-2003, 07:11 AM	#13
dd2 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Owned !! Posts: 419	The user is charged $32.95 or something like that, and the affiliate gets $15 which apparently is 50% so I guess the other $2.95 is the processing fee.

04-25-2003, 08:29 AM	#14
Swoit Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: www.Swoit.com Posts: 256	dd2's hit the nail on the head here guys The flat $15 per signup + $15 recurring takes into account the processing fee. The 40% that is distributed to paysites is just that - 40% with no exclusions. Let me know if you have any q's __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-25-2003, 11:38 AM	#16
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	Maybe they will withhold their affiliates checks for months and rake in on the interest whilst telling their webmasters that their checks have been mailed out ;) Nah, affiliate program owners wouldnt do that would they? Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

04-25-2003, 11:48 AM	#17
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	...or maybe the thing most of you are overlooking...how many of their own sites are in there as well? and the aforementioned exits, mail catchers, etc. there are many more ways of making money than just selling memberships to a site ;) __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

04-25-2003, 11:56 AM	#19
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	They're splitting 100% of profit after processing fee the way I understand it. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-25-2003, 11:59 AM	#20
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04-25-2003, 12:01 PM	#21
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04-25-2003, 12:04 PM	#22
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Are there any participating sites we can see yet ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-25-2003, 12:16 PM	#23
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	swoit rocks guys, dont diss them

04-25-2003, 12:22 PM	#25
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	What I meant by "profit" was everything left after processing fee. Profit was a poor choice. I assumed it was similiar to any of the partnership programs that say you'll get 60% but it's always after processing fee. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-25-2003, 12:56 PM	#28
traffictrader Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: ICQ# 93507395 Posts: 1,331	it'll work or it won't, just wait a few months. __________________

04-25-2003, 12:59 PM	#29
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	people, I have 2 questions: 1) aren't you tired talking about SWOIT for the 5th day now??? 2) is it THAT revolutionary that you just can't stop talking???? 3) is there ANYBODY who haven't heard about it yet???? swoit you all!

04-25-2003, 01:01 PM	#30
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	May programs, including mine, pay their percentage before the processing fee. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-25-2003, 01:10 PM	#31
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I haven't used it because it looks like any other AVS to me, except I have less control. As a site owner I'd risk losing all my traffic and income to other sites. I only get paid if they come back to my site, even if it was my member. Adult Verifier Ultra for example is a more attractive solution in my opinion so far. http://www.adultverifier.com/av/ultrawebmaster.php3 You can setup a small paysite and get paid every month. You can pay out $25 per signup if you want and/or a recurring option (up to 70% I think) to your webmaster affiliates. As a site owner, if you have 1000 members.. you get paid for the 1000 members even if they are now visiting another site more often or browsing only the new sites that are added. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

04-25-2003, 01:12 PM	#32
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	Brujah, do you know what to do when one's domain been hijacked?

04-25-2003, 01:42 PM	#34
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	ty! YGM