Alston blows AU$4million on website. - GoFuckYourself.com

chodadog · 04-21-2003, 08:53 PM

http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1107

This actually angers me. It's fucking sickening. That webpage is a pile of shit. I shit you not when i say that any novice web designer could create that page within a day, or a few days tops.

A million dollars for hosting? There is no way that site gets more than a few hundred hits per day. Hell, the only reason it would be getting that many hits is 'cause of people talking about how ludacris it is. Bottom line, there's no way they should be paying any more than about 20 bucks a month in hosting.

Fucking outrageous. What makes you think Senator Alston has friends in the design and hosting business?

ldinternet · 04-21-2003, 08:57 PM

$4 million for that pile of shit?

And not even a banner in sight...

B40 · 04-21-2003, 08:57 PM

Damn....

$1.2 Million spent on website development
$956,000 spent on hosting and support services
$928,000 spent on software; and
$661,000 spent on hardware.

Gary · 04-21-2003, 08:58 PM

660K for a server? Must be a good one

SothArtist · 04-21-2003, 08:58 PM

Fucking hell!

I believe he has prolly spent the money elsewhere and is claiming it went into the website. Noone could possibly be that stupid.

B40 · 04-21-2003, 08:58 PM

And here's the actual website haha
http://www.dcita.gov.au/Subject_Entr..._1-2_1,00.html

Theo · 04-21-2003, 08:58 PM

http://www.dcita.gov.au/

amazing

ldinternet · 04-21-2003, 08:59 PM

How the fuck is it possible to spend $4 million on THAT?

I just don't understand. It doesn't make any sense.

4 hundred... yes.
4 thousand... possible.
But 4 fucking million?

bhutocracy · 04-21-2003, 08:59 PM

he should have come to GFY, someone would have offered to do it for $200 or free just to have something in his portfolio.

chodadog · 04-21-2003, 09:00 PM

Looks like the fucking logo was scanned from a letterhead and just pasted in there. Gotta love the way governments spends our money.

american pervert · 04-21-2003, 09:01 PM

remeber, its AU money, so thats like $3k usd

bhutocracy · 04-21-2003, 09:01 PM

there is a small hope he'll be thrown out this year.. Jesus Christ I hope we get rid of the conservatives soon..

sandz · 04-21-2003, 09:03 PM

he's the biggest retard, biased opinions on certain telcos over here and does nothing to prevent consumers from getting fucked over

Living For Today · 04-21-2003, 09:08 PM

fucking faggot wasting our money

stocktrader23 · 04-21-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Living For Today
fucking faggot wasting our money

"Wasn't me"

http://www.dcita.gov.au/Article/0,,0...113967,00.html

Simon-interaid · 04-21-2003, 09:12 PM

Your senators are screwing you people right square up the ass.

marty · 04-21-2003, 09:16 PM

This is just another fucking great example of government spending and accountability getting out of hand.

This son of a bitch should sit for a crime against the Australian people.

I volunteer to take my 20 cents share of that money out of his ass

bhutocracy · 04-21-2003, 09:22 PM

His internet censorship was worse. Never vote a devout christian into office, he doesn't work for the people - he works for an unaccountable god. You may as well start getting local priests to start running the country.

mojobatron · 04-21-2003, 09:23 PM

some design house is laughing all the way to the bank: "I need an extra 200k to create more...spacial tension, yeah thats it"

quiet · 04-21-2003, 09:26 PM

fucking pathetic.

dav555add · 04-21-2003, 09:26 PM

Your hard earned tax dollars at work....
They used a US$17.99 template, gotta make you wonder about the kickback from the web developer...

mojobatron · 04-21-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by marty
I volunteer to take my 20 cents share of that money out of his ass

you get the ankles and I'll get the wrists

BlueDesignStudios · 04-21-2003, 09:55 PM

I could have designed the site for $3.5M and thrown in a year's worth of free hosting.. + a free membership to the pornsite of his choice!

Extreme John · 04-21-2003, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
I could have designed the site for $3.5M and thrown in a year's worth of free hosting.. + a free membership to the pornsite of his choice!

Perfectly thought out. I like it. Maybe I'll buy

VeriSexy · 04-21-2003, 11:19 PM

Maybe he spent $100 on it and pocket the rest =)

04-21-2003, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Maybe he spent $100 on it and pocket the rest =)

exactly what I would have done
people up in the government are so stupid they would actually buy that story...

McAttack · 04-22-2003, 12:01 AM

Wow, screw porn, I'm doing Government contracts only now!

prostock · 04-22-2003, 12:15 AM

Damn that would have built one hell of a porno site ,.
and made him money back , geeeeee got love the GOVERMENT and how they can get away with that kind of bull shit

BRISK · 04-22-2003, 12:16 AM

Thats the biggest joke, that guy should be fired and then routinely ass raped with a broom handle for being such a turd for brains.

$956,000 spent on hosting and support services

Thats just fuckin bullshit, what are they paying? $500 per GB?

$928,000 spent on software

Software? What fuckin software? Apache? MySQL? Dreamweaver? How the fuck could you possibly spend that much on software???

$661,000 spent on hardware.

Hardware? You could run that site on a $2,000 server from Dell no problem. What are they running it on? A Cray supercomputer? LOL

FUCKING JOKE!!!

Australian taxpayers got raped on that one!

BlueDesignStudios · 04-22-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by McAttack
Wow, screw porn, I'm doing Government contracts only now!

Funny you should mention this, after hearing about the $4M for an Australian Government website, I've been reseraching how to get into this - it seems you need to just have a lot of glossy charts and folders and be able to talk the talk.. spin some bullshit.. oh yeah and get ISO certified.. which means producing a 1000 page document on how you plan to manage your coffee breaks effectively.. dunno if it's worth it.. though $4M is a lot of money for a website

Joe Sixpack · 04-22-2003, 01:21 AM

Fucking disgraceful.

Alston is a shithead and should be beaten savagely with baseball bats.

04-22-2003, 02:03 AM

I'd have done it for a night with one of his interns.

galleryseek · 04-22-2003, 02:27 AM

lol HORRIBLE....

perfect example, its not what you know, its who you know.

The Click · 04-22-2003, 02:36 AM

I bet the Senator spent the money on beer and whores then built the website with the Geocities WYSIWYG himself.

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 02:47 AM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios

Funny you should mention this, after hearing about the $4M for an Australian Government website, I've been reseraching how to get into this - it seems you need to just have a lot of glossy charts and folders and be able to talk the talk.. spin some bullshit.. oh yeah and get ISO certified.. which means producing a 1000 page document on how you plan to manage your coffee breaks effectively.. dunno if it's worth it.. though $4M is a lot of money for a website

You need an army of sales people, account managers, sales managers, product managers, information architects, business development managers just to create the facade of corporate respectibility to get these clients - we charged Toyota about 4M and Mars Corp about 2M only a year and a half ago.

Marcus · 04-22-2003, 02:51 AM

They're using Vignette StoryServer. I used that once at my old company and it's incredibly expensive. Spending a million bucks for the software, training (it's difficult to learn) and consultants is nothing.

goBigtime · 04-22-2003, 02:56 AM

its like $2.475million USD for anyone who cares... still a fucking outrage.

BRISK · 04-22-2003, 03:15 AM

Storyserver? what the fuck does that do that makes it worth that much money?

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Marcus
They're using Vignette StoryServer. I used that once at my old company and it's incredibly expensive. Spending a million bucks for the software, training (it's difficult to learn) and consultants is nothing.

Vignette? damn, we were very close to using that, yeah.. very expensive. On one hand I am really outraged at the amount of cash spent because it is public money, but on the other hand I do find it funny seeing a lot of disbelief coming from a forum where most people think 1k is top dollar for a site, and a competition is a valid way of contracting and paying for work.

1k is a half hour meeting at a decent sized corporate design company talking about the proposal to even pitch at the client. Large companies and governmental agencies require an absurd degree of documentation and qualifications to even think about laying the content out as a flowchart let alone notepad html. These design companies aren't college kids photoshopping for beer money, and these client companies aren't like webmasters, webmasters already know how to do most of the stuff and just need a pretty page or two to slap on their backend. These are large businesses that need it done right first time from the ground up and take months and months to complete, not a few days. It's a totally different world, and I don't agree that it's a good one either.

Even so 4M is a fuckload of cash and it's a disgrace. The sales people from the design house who got them to cough up the 4M just saw their market value jump 50%. They'll be in demand.

Libertine · 04-22-2003, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by Marcus
They're using Vignette StoryServer. I used that once at my old company and it's incredibly expensive. Spending a million bucks for the software, training (it's difficult to learn) and consultants is nothing.

Yeah, just the software will cost you anywhere from $100k to 5 or more times that. And, since it does just about nothing out of the box, that company makes even more on consulting.
Total bullshit if you ask me, you can have a good piece of content management software developed for $100k easy.

chodadog · 04-22-2003, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy
1k is a half hour meeting at a decent sized corporate design company talking about the proposal to even pitch at the client. Large companies and governmental agencies require an absurd degree of documentation and qualifications to even think about laying the content out as a flowchart let alone notepad html. These design companies aren't college kids photoshopping for beer money, and these client companies aren't like webmasters, webmasters already know how to do most of the stuff and just need a pretty page or two to slap on their backend. These are large businesses that need it done right first time from the ground up and take months and months to complete, not a few days. It's a totally different world, and I don't agree that it's a good one either.

I see your point. But the thing is, this website wasn't done properly. It was poorly designed, and poorly executed. I mean, just take a look at this:

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UPDATE | Many readers have written to point out that Senator Alston's department's $4million website has <a class=newslink href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcita.gov.au%2FSubject_ Entry_Page%2F0%2C%2C0_1-2_1%2C00.html">380 scripting errors on the front page alone</a>.

funkmaster · 04-22-2003, 03:49 AM

me thinks the money is well worth spent!

lagwagon · 04-22-2003, 03:54 AM

this cant be real. is that guy really that dumb. i want to shake the hand of the guy that took this guy for his money. DAMN!!

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog

yeah that is fucked.. although breaking a wc3 rule is like going 61kmh in a 60kmh zone. Which is what you pay big money to avoid i guess.

spool · 04-22-2003, 04:02 AM

I only hope we vote those FOOLS out of office. Come back Kim, Crean is a cock !

Un fucking believable they way our goverment tries to justisfy its spending

I want back my portion of the EXTRA $31 Billion AU in taxes they have since the GST inception ....

And those new real estate investment taxes SUK as well ...
ok enough venting ... got it off my chest ...whew!

And where are these fucks hosting Webcentral for gods sake !!! ...

BlueDesignStudios · 04-22-2003, 05:15 AM

All in all it does show out clueless and out of touch and out of date and fucking stupid the communications ministor is.. though.. I must I'd probably do the same if it wasn't my money!
One to brag about with the other politicians.. "my website cost more than your website" .. kinda like the "my dick is bigger than your dick" mentality

bhutocracy · 04-22-2003, 05:23 AM

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Originally posted by spool
I only hope we vote those FOOLS out of office. Come back Kim, Crean is a cock !

only Kim or Latham could do it.

Groove · 04-22-2003, 05:31 AM

Alston is effectively Australia's Minister For The Internet.

So I guess he just earned himself a $3 million kick-back,

or he's a total moron! And my money's on the latter.

Whatever the truth is, it sucks big time!

steffie · 04-22-2003, 05:38 AM

$1.2 Million spent on website development

I would have done it for 600k

Put an ad on GFY "Looking for Webdesigner who want to earn 300k"

Than take the leftover 300k and have a wonderful life

Oh wait, he probably did that..

SothArtist · 04-22-2003, 05:42 AM

You do have to be careful of how the media tells things though ( ofcourse hehe )

When I went back to school, we had the head of the firm that did Commonwealth banks logo, the one with all the shit about it costing 1.6 million. What the media didn't tell us was the 1.6 million also included printed media, Branding, Logo Design (over 1500 dif logos were drawn up ), and advertising concepts.

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Alston blows AU$4million on website. http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1107 This actually angers me. It's fucking sickening. That webpage is a pile of shit. I shit you not when i say that any novice web designer could create that page within a day, or a few days tops. A million dollars for hosting? There is no way that site gets more than a few hundred hits per day. Hell, the only reason it would be getting that many hits is 'cause of people talking about how ludacris it is. Bottom line, there's no way they should be paying any more than about 20 bucks a month in hosting. Fucking outrageous. What makes you think Senator Alston has friends in the design and hosting business? __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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B40 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,020	Damn.... $1.2 Million spent on website development $956,000 spent on hosting and support services $928,000 spent on software; and $661,000 spent on hardware. __________________

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Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	660K for a server? Must be a good one __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

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B40 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,020	And here's the actual website haha http://www.dcita.gov.au/Subject_Entr..._1-2_1,00.html __________________

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Looks like the fucking logo was scanned from a letterhead and just pasted in there. Gotta love the way governments spends our money. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	$4 million for that pile of shit? And not even a banner in sight...

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SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	Fucking hell! I believe he has prolly spent the money elsewhere and is claiming it went into the website. Noone could possibly be that stupid.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	http://www.dcita.gov.au/ amazing

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ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	How the fuck is it possible to spend $4 million on THAT? I just don't understand. It doesn't make any sense. 4 hundred... yes. 4 thousand... possible. But 4 fucking million?

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marty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,656	This is just another fucking great example of government spending and accountability getting out of hand. This son of a bitch should sit for a crime against the Australian people. I volunteer to take my 20 cents share of that money out of his ass

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	His internet censorship was worse. Never vote a devout christian into office, he doesn't work for the people - he works for an unaccountable god. You may as well start getting local priests to start running the country.

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mojobatron Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 84	some design house is laughing all the way to the bank: "I need an extra 200k to create more...spacial tension, yeah thats it"

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Thats the biggest joke, that guy should be fired and then routinely ass raped with a broom handle for being such a turd for brains. $956,000 spent on hosting and support services Thats just fuckin bullshit, what are they paying? $500 per GB? $928,000 spent on software Software? What fuckin software? Apache? MySQL? Dreamweaver? How the fuck could you possibly spend that much on software??? $661,000 spent on hardware. Hardware? You could run that site on a $2,000 server from Dell no problem. What are they running it on? A Cray supercomputer? LOL FUCKING JOKE!!! Australian taxpayers got raped on that one! __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	Fucking disgraceful. Alston is a shithead and should be beaten savagely with baseball bats.

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galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	lol HORRIBLE.... perfect example, its not what you know, its who you know.

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Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	They're using Vignette StoryServer. I used that once at my old company and it's incredibly expensive. Spending a million bucks for the software, training (it's difficult to learn) and consultants is nothing.

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goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	its like $2.475million USD for anyone who cares... still a fucking outrage.

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spool Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 105	I only hope we vote those FOOLS out of office. Come back Kim, Crean is a cock ! Un fucking believable they way our goverment tries to justisfy its spending I want back my portion of the EXTRA $31 Billion AU in taxes they have since the GST inception .... And those new real estate investment taxes SUK as well ... ok enough venting ... got it off my chest ...whew! And where are these fucks hosting Webcentral for gods sake !!! ... __________________ a Nice growing sponor thats HONEST!

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BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	All in all it does show out clueless and out of touch and out of date and fucking stupid the communications ministor is.. though.. I must I'd probably do the same if it wasn't my money! One to brag about with the other politicians.. "my website cost more than your website" .. kinda like the "my dick is bigger than your dick" mentality __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]