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Rochard 07-15-2017 02:06 PM

At a certain point the Republican party will just completely walk away from Trump, and they will wash their hands of him. '

This really can't get any worse. The press is just having a field day with all of this, and will continue taking shots at Trump until he is out of office. In the mean time, nothing will get done. They are still dicking with healthcare, have passed no major laws, no major changes, and we are coming up on the budgeting shortly.... This will be a disaster.

RedFred 07-15-2017 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21891958)
here is the watergate definition and remember that watergate had nothing to do with FOREIGN inteaction. trumpīs case is WORSE:

i hope google translated it correctly - if not you may blame google for it :-)

There is no binding definition as to which "abuses of government powers", which ultimately led President Richard Nixon as the head of the executive branch, fall under the heading "Watergate affair" next to the core complex of the failed Watergate infiltration of 17 June 1972 And which do not. However, the first delimitation was made in the areas discussed by Senator Sam Ervin from the Senate's Senate Senate (Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities) from May 1973 onwards. The results of these investigations were summarized in June 1974 in a 1250-page final report. According to the Ervin Committee, the following ten areas are part of the Watergate affair:

The abuse of government agencies by the White House or on its behalf
The actual Watergate slump
The cover-up of the backdrops of the Watergate Burglary
The electoral campaigns of the Committee for the Reelection of the President
The obstruction of justice in the Watergate investigations
The financial and electoral practices of Nixon's re-election committee
The "milk fund" of illegal parties, with whom a conglomerate of American milk producers sought to influence Washington's policy
An illegal party of $ 100,000, which Nixon's personal friend Charles "Bebe" Rebozo had received from the billionaire Howard Hughes
(For example, the "sale" of ambassadors in exchange for election campaign donations) and tax evasion by President Nixon
The "ITT affair", which was about the alleged advantage granted to the industry giant in connection with a cartel procedure in exchange for an indirect election campaign.


Beyond these complexes, journalists and historians have also identified numerous other events from Nixon's time as aspects of the Watergate affair. In some cases, these were merely disrepute, but some were subsequently classified as illegal by courts. These investigations were investigated by the investigators of the "Watergate Special Prosecution Force" (WSPF). The American public almost invariably learned of them in connection with the great wave of Watergate revelations from March 1973 onwards:

Which had already taken place shortly after Nixon's office, to hire a private private investigator through the White House; This should collect incriminating information about political opponents of the Republicans and then put them on the media; One example was research on Edward Kennedy after his car accident in Chappaquiddick;

The so-called "Kissinger-Bugs", an illegal abortion carried out by Nixon's security adviser Henry Kissinger from April 1969 against members of the National Security Council and against various prominent journalists; This happened to find out who was letting Kissinger's staff read information to the media;

The "Huston Plan" of 1970, which was ultimately not implemented, to network the activities of CIA, FBI and other espionage and law enforcement agencies under direct control of the White House; According to him, the executive should be given extensive powers in the fight against the leftist radical enemies and militant opponents of the Vietnam War;

Under the aegis of Nixon's adviser Charles Colson, created a "list of enemies" (Nixon's enemies list); It was constantly expanded and contained names of persons who were said to be hostile to the President, his government, or the Republican Party; These persons should, for example, have to rely more heavily on examinations by the Federal Tax Administration (IRS) or be excluded from the award of lucrative public contracts from the outset;

The partly illegal activities of the "White House" "plumber" unit, founded in the summer of 1971; On the one hand, it should plug "leaks" from the government apparatus to the media and, on the other hand, gather negative information about opponents of the White House and disseminate it to the public in a targeted (but hidden) manner; Two members of the "plumber" unit, Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt, were also directly responsible for the planning, organization and implementation of the Watergate burglary.


I agree, this is much worse than Watergate. Instead of Trumps lackeys breaking into the DNC they conspired with a foreign enemy to do it.

MaDalton 07-15-2017 02:13 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.722b9a4addcc

We'll see about the legal consequences but if you don't see anything wrong with Juniors actions, your moral compass is off...

You can call it sign of the times but it's still wrong.

thommy 07-15-2017 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21891949)

Even if she didn't give him anything of value, there is a good chance he is still guilty of conspiracy. If anything will eventually come of this (in the form of actual legal trouble for Don Jr.) remains to be seen.

if they even can prove the intesion he had it is already a crime.
and it would be even a crime when he would get this informations from a US citizen (see the
legal definition of watergate what i have posted earlier). but in that case he wanted (or got) those information from a foreign power what is also NOT a US allie.

no matter if he got it or gave the green light to publish that shit (without any approval on correctness or falsification) in a very sensitiv phase of the elections makes the whole thing a crime because it has DEFINITELY influenced the votes in favor of trump.

just imagine what would have happend if the other site would come up 2 days before the elections and just tell the people that they have such material about trump.
he would not even get to 20% - even when nobody would have seen this material. and than i would like to hear the red hats complaints.

nico-t 07-15-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21891655)
So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.

True
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/u...s-clinton.html

crockett 07-15-2017 03:12 PM

This is the most incompetent cover up ever.. It's now been released Trump Jr hired his defense lawyers 11 days before the story broke.

That means Trump and co knew what was going on ..as if anyone with a brain didn't already know..

Sarn 07-15-2017 03:19 PM

It fails story again. :1orglaugh

http://ofigenno.com/content/711-0/thumb-600x315.jpg

Bladewire 07-15-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21891655)
So Trump was correct about one thing, the election was definately rigged.

True.

Putin rigged the election for Trump, and now Trump is paying the price for being a stinky old morbidly obese lying scammer.

Sarn 07-15-2017 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21892096)
True.

Putin rigged the election for Trump, and now Trump is paying the price for being a stinky old morbidly obese lying scammer.

Obama change regime in Ukraine, Putin change regime in the USA. And make Brexit and broke EU.:1orglaugh
Russia ruled by the world:1orglaugh



Heart attack here :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You really believe it? :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-15-2017 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21891718)
To suggest someone can work with a foreign govt to have them hack into your opponents emails and use them for political gain makes you stupid.

So the opposition keeps the info private. Does that seriously make sense to you, now think of it if it was Trump?

Paul Markham 07-15-2017 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21891853)
paul did you read articles from charles krauthammer (fox news btw)

he is a trump supporter and when you read all his columns on fox news praising trump HOW can you explain me THIS HERE

how obvious is it that a trump supporter and currently active columnist of fox news have to write this article in the washington post and not in the "reliable" fox new website ?
maybe your "reliable sources" do not want the bad truth?

do you not see that there are not only gfy members worry about the future of america?
do you not see that even his SUPPORTERS can not deny the collusion any more ???
this krautheimer has been with skin and hair in the US politics for decades and surely knows MUCH more than we all together about the connections in the political happen.
has he now gone crazy from one second to the next, or what?

are that all just idots as soon as they donīt swim in the same direction with the brainwashed.

are you guys all blind or just so nailed on your wrong meaning that you canīt let it go ?

So far the meeting was about the Russians having damaging info on Hillary. If the damaging info was the other way around, wouldn't you want to know it?

Paul Markham 07-15-2017 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21891865)
In fact, no, he is not. If they met with a foreign national and they gave them anything of value it is considered an illegal campaign contribution.... Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg. What was in the documents left behind? Was it copies of hacked emails?

So if an election official learned that someone trying to be President was stealing money from the Government or worse was in the pockets of the Saudis. The information comes from MI5. You would want t kept a secret.

Are you crazy?

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21891940)
The funny thing is FOX NEWS is spewing the talking point that collusion is not a crime and now it's being repeated over and over. BULLSHIT.


Even though the statute may not use the word collusion it is certainly a crime:

52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for?

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make?

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) ?Foreign national? definedAs used in this section, the term ?foreign national? means?

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term ?foreign national? shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

Clearly then no laws were broken.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21891949)
He is allowed to speak to whomever he pleases, however, it is illegal for foreign nationals to give anything of value to a campaign. That could be money or it could be information. If Trump knew she was a foreign national (which he did because it said she was Russian in the email) and he went there to get information from her (which he did because the email said she had dirt on Clinton) then one could assume that this information was of value to him and therefore he likely broke the law.

Of course, we don't know if he actually got anything from her. He says she didn't have anything of value, but so far he has lied multiple times about this whole thing so I don't think we can just take his word for it.

Even if she didn't give him anything of value, there is a good chance he is still guilty of conspiracy. If anything will eventually come of this (in the form of actual legal trouble for Don Jr.) remains to be seen.

So far he got nothing from the conversation. Why he covered it up is the mystery.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21892012)
This really can't get any worse. The press is just having a field day with all of this, and will continue taking shots at Trump until he is out of office. In the mean time, nothing will get done. They are still dicking with healthcare, have passed no major laws, no major changes, and we are coming up on the budgeting shortly.... This will be a disaster.

So why don't the Democrats drop the mud slinging and get on with helping Governing the county?

America has been going down hill for a long time because the two sides can't drop the infighting.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21892018)
I agree, this is much worse than Watergate. Instead of Trumps lackeys breaking into the DNC they conspired with a foreign enemy to do it.

Watergate was an illegal wire tapping, then the continual lies of the President that he knew about it.

This is not as bad as Watergate.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21892084)
This is the most incompetent cover up ever.. It's now been released Trump Jr hired his defense lawyers 11 days before the story broke.

That means Trump and co knew what was going on ..as if anyone with a brain didn't already know..

So Trump Jr is now guilty of incompetence. And that so far is all.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21892096)
True.

Putin rigged the election for Trump, and now Trump is paying the price for being a stinky old morbidly obese lying scammer.

What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton?

bronco67 07-16-2017 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892462)
What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton?

Will you stop apologizing for Donald Trump you fucking moron? If he was caught on video anally probing kittens you would make up some dumb-ass defense to rationalize it. We all know your type...you don't fucking believe in anything...you just want to be the devil's advocate. The problem with devil's advocates is that they're always advocating for the wrong side.

You're a an old fucking fool.

RedFred 07-16-2017 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892462)
What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton?

Were you really Pauls granddad or did you just play him in the movie?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_zlpSTJtimo/hqdefault.jpg

Bladewire 07-16-2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21892849)
...you just want to be the devil's advocate. The problem with devil's advocates is that they're always advocating for the wrong side.

True.

At the end of the day 90% of Trump supporters on GFY are foreigners, and of those, 90% refuse to list their city or country or websites on their profiles, nine of them have a vested interest in what happens and they're just trolling Americans because they hate American culture, scientific superiority & worldwide influence.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21892849)
Will you stop apologizing for Donald Trump you fucking moron? If he was caught on video anally probing kittens you would make up some dumb-ass defense to rationalize it. We all know your type...you don't fucking believe in anything...you just want to be the devil's advocate. The problem with devil's advocates is that they're always advocating for the wrong side.

You're a an old fucking fool.


What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton?

When the evidence is presented that Putin told Trump something of significance I will be the first to say. "Why wasn't it brought up?". Until then I will keep saying, show me the evidince.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21892855)
Were you really Pauls granddad or did you just play him in the movie?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_zlpSTJtimo/hqdefault.jpg


What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton? I' maybe old. But still young enough to ask for the evidence.

RedFred 07-16-2017 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892882)
What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton? I' maybe old. But still young enough to ask for the evidence.

It's irrelevant. Is your argument that it's ok to rob a bank if you don't get any money?


Why didnt you answer the question?

Were you really Pauls grandpappy or was it just a role?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wrse13v5MM...randfather.png

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21892864)
True.

At the end of the day 90% of Trump supporters on GFY are foreigners, and of those, 90% refuse to list their city or country or websites on their profiles, nine of them have a vested interest in what happens and they're just trolling Americans because they hate American culture, scientific superiority & worldwide influence.

Maybe we can see better than you can. There was no information that damaged Trump.

He may be a bad President, oaf, fool, etc. But you've been getting poorer and poorer under the previous 8 Presidents. And you would have got poorer under Clinton. She told you so.

Trump Told us he will build a wall, stop jobs going out of the country and even bring some back. Now tell me how great Clinton is.

Sarn 07-16-2017 10:24 AM

If some one does not believe in "liberal" lie, "liberals" go to personal Insults :1orglaugh

http://softoroom.net/images/server2/...10_232234.jpeg

directfiesta 07-16-2017 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892441)
So if an election official learned that someone trying to be President was stealing money from the Government or worse was in the pockets of the Saudis. The information comes from MI5. You would want t kept a secret.

Are you crazy?

You really are stupid ..... There is a difference between :

- The Saudis ( an ally ) and Russia ( a foe )
- Getting info for your personnal gain from an ennemy of the state
- The ennemy of the state giving it to one party in a ' deal '

If that info was given to newspapers that publish it for ALL to see, that is quite different ... but you cannot see that .

bronco67 07-16-2017 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892876)
What did Putin expose that was so bad for Clinton?

When the evidence is presented that Putin told Trump something of significance I will be the first to say. "Why wasn't it brought up?". Until then I will keep saying, show me the evidince.

If someone saw your girl all over town with hot looking guys, would you say "show me the evidence?" or would you think something may be up.

You guys are all "evidence, evidence evidence" but you know something fishy went on. If you don't even think there's any problem ethically or morally then you have to wonder what YOUR character flaw is. Why is it you want to give so much benefit of the doubt to such an obviously scummy human being who has never done anything above board? It's because you yourself are a scumbag and don't know the difference. It's not possible for you to know the difference.

kane 07-16-2017 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892447)
So far he got nothing from the conversation. Why he covered it up is the mystery.

We don't know that he got nothing from the conversation. So far he has told about four different lies about the conversation itself, how do we know he isn't lying about what information he got during it?

Sarn 07-16-2017 11:26 AM

>You guys are all "evidence, evidence evidence"

:1orglaugh
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...magArticle.jpg

Busty2 07-16-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21893101)
We don't know that he got nothing from the conversation. So far he has told about four different lies about the conversation itself, how do we know he isn't lying about what information he got during it?

Thank you, at last someone who's thinking clearly. Of course the Chumps would lie through their teeth, all they do is lie, lie, lie.

bronco67 07-16-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21893101)
We don't know that he got nothing from the conversation. So far he has told about four different lies about the conversation itself, how do we know he isn't lying about what information he got during it?

That was my first thought when I heard about this meeting. Nothing they said about it was true...not the pretense for the meeting, nor what happened. It may be something entirely different than what everyone involved has said.

Sarn 07-16-2017 11:52 AM

President Donald Trump plans to put a veteran Washington lawyer, Ty Cobb, in charge of overseeing the White House?s legal and media response to investigations into Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-russia-probes

Bladewire 07-16-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892909)
Maybe we can see better than you can. There was no information that damaged Trump.

He may be a bad President, oaf, fool, etc. But you've been getting poorer and poorer under the previous 8 Presidents. And you would have got poorer under Clinton. She told you so.

Trump Told us he will build a wall, stop jobs going out of the country and even bring some back. Now tell me how great Clinton is.

Paul -

1) I've posted the stats & graphs of our unemployment dropping under Obama. Things got better under Obama, 16 year record low unemployment:

2) I've posted stats & graphs of the stock market increase under Obama. You ignore it. Things got better under Obama, record high stocks:

3) Foreigners obviously can't see things more clearly from the outside when they look at the data and think things were worse under Obama than Bush, with a record high stock market and record low unemployment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21892909)
There was no information that damaged Trump.

7 of Trump Jr's emails are out and they are very damaging. Putin was against Democrats, that's why Trump Jr's damaging emails were never released, and I guarantee you, there's a lot more coming. Yet, you'll still defend Trump based on race/religion issues.

Trump LOST the popular vote and you're giving me his populist campaign dogma that lost him the populist vote because it was based on easy to prove lies. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sarn 07-16-2017 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21893191)
Yet, you'll still defend Trump based on race/religion issues.

Hillary black Muslim, you think it?:1orglaugh

Bladewire 07-16-2017 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21893275)
Hillary black Muslim, you think it?


Huh?
:disgust

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 21893056)
You really are stupid ..... There is a difference between :

- The Saudis ( an ally ) and Russia ( a foe )
- Getting info for your personnal gain from an ennemy of the state
- The ennemy of the state giving it to one party in a ' deal '

If that info was given to newspapers that publish it for ALL to see, that is quite different ... but you cannot see that .

Now go find a law that states that Russia is an enemy.

How does he know it was only for his personal gain?

The Russians didn't tell the newspapers they had the info. Which was a lie.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21893068)
If someone saw your girl all over town with hot looking guys, would you say "show me the evidence?" or would you think something may be up.

You guys are all "evidence, evidence evidence" but you know something fishy went on. If you don't even think there's any problem ethically or morally then you have to wonder what YOUR character flaw is. Why is it you want to give so much benefit of the doubt to such an obviously scummy human being who has never done anything above board? It's because you yourself are a scumbag and don't know the difference. It's not possible for you to know the difference.

Of course, I would want to see the evidence.

You guys don't believe in real evidence or that a real crime has been committed.

Paul Markham 07-16-2017 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21893101)
We don't know that he got nothing from the conversation. So far he has told about four different lies about the conversation itself, how do we know he isn't lying about what information he got during it?

Agreed. So let'snot make up what he said for him. What we do know is nothing came out from the meetings or the hacks that were damaging to Hillary. If info was exchanged or promises made, let's find out what it was. And if we don't find it, let's drop it.

Paul Markham 07-17-2017 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21893191)
Paul -

1) I've posted the stats & graphs of our unemployment dropping under Obama. Things got better under Obama, 16 year record low unemployment:

2) I've posted stats & graphs of the stock market increase under Obama. You ignore it. Things got better under Obama, record high stocks:

3) Foreigners obviously can't see things more clearly from the outside when they look at the data and think things were worse under Obama than Bush, with a record high stock market and record low unemployment.

Two graphs that prove you very very wrong.

http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-conten...percentile.jpghttp://www.mybudget360.com/wp-conten...percentile.jpg

https://inflationdata.com/Inflation/..._inflation.jpg

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