Somebody Did Something Really Dumb and it Hurts! - GoFuckYourself.com

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 02:02 PM

Many of you don't know, but while I have a huge number of photos for sale, I'm still a 1-1/4 person (with a part-timer) operation. My "ride" is a bicycle. I live in a 1-bedroom apartment where the bedroom is an office, and while my gross might impress some, my net is well down in the 5 figures paying models, renting locations, buying photo equipment, and so on, gets expensive, plus money I make pretty much gets plowed back into the business right away.

So, when somebody downloads a shitload of photos and pays for it with a charge card, and then 6 weeks later I get a chargeback notice saying the owner of the card made no such purchase (around $2400), it really hurts. I just don't keep that kind of money laying around in my account.

Now, someone downloaded a shitload of sets, gave me someone else's card number, and doesn't dare send in the license. I just wonder what in the world they would hope to accomplish by doing that...probably use it to screw some third party.

It is not going to be easy to deal with this kind of hit. I'm going to be using every resource available to discover who did it (records of IP numbers if they're available), but I may just be stuck with this bill. After 6 weeks, the money has been spent.

I'm just depressing how thoughtless some people can be.

This will probably mean I will have to get all kinds of confirming documentary evidence before putting large sales with new customers through in the future.

04-21-2003, 02:04 PM

Sorry to hear that. Fraud is such a shame, where did all the honesty go. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to figure out who did it, tracing IPs... or in the best case you'll find your content in someone's tour who didn't license it.

Good luck.

Stallion · 04-21-2003, 02:05 PM

Damn sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it just goes to show you that some people in this business will do anything they can to scam others. I hope you find out exactly who did this and make them pay what they are entitled to.

Sassyass · 04-21-2003, 02:39 PM

No honor.
I'm sorry that happened to you.

AaronM · 04-21-2003, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stallion
Damn sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it just goes to show you that some people in this business will do anything they can to scam others. I hope you find out exactly who did this and make them pay what they are entitled to.

Jail time?

Fraud is fraud.

Jakke PNG · 04-21-2003, 02:41 PM

I fucking hate thieves with passion.
Especially if they steal from me. But I'm sorry to hear that, hope ya get it sorted

kenny · 04-21-2003, 02:43 PM

Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?

hershie · 04-21-2003, 02:46 PM

Best of luck catching the prick. Hope it gets resolved soon.

AaronM · 04-21-2003, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?

Did you catch the part about using another persons card?

kacy · 04-21-2003, 02:53 PM

That sucks

Sorry to hear that. Let me know if you need help tracking down the ip for the downsloads to try and match it up to the location of the cc holder. It might help you out in fighting the charge back. How long ago was the download? Like 6 weeks ago? Well send me whatever info you have and we'll see what we can track down for ya.

Keep your chin up

Lily · 04-21-2003, 02:54 PM

God that SUCKS. I've never had a chargeback that big. This last week a guy's mom found out he had a little "habit" and forced him to dispute well over $5,000 in PayPal payments made to a bunch of phone sex companies.

I got hit for about $1500, I think I took the worst of it.

It's a horrible, horrible thing and I hope someone figures out how to stop this kind of thing soon. I'm starting to think bar codes, finger printing or retinal scans tied to your bank account aren't a bad thing.

MrPopup · 04-21-2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?

I think a lot of webmasters manipulate the system and play the "fool the credit card" company game....

I also think the CC companies are so busy spamming high interest, high risk cards to everyone, the sheer amount of fraud has increased by a huge amount.

AOLGuy · 04-21-2003, 03:22 PM

Man, that's fucked up.

If you want to boost your monthly though, re-read that AVS deal proposal I sent you a few months back!

gothweb · 04-21-2003, 04:42 PM

That just isn't right. I'm sorry to hear that.

Why · 04-21-2003, 04:45 PM

thats fucked up shit man.

dont call the authorites, get a really sharp knife,a nd apply light pressure with it to the base of the scrotum. and pull.

or push... depending on angle. but you get the picture.

quiet · 04-21-2003, 04:47 PM

yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

scum.

OzKaNoz · 04-21-2003, 05:16 PM

UnseenWorld
Damn, sorry to hear this. Hope you get some justice on this.

Oz

OzKaNoz · 04-21-2003, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

scum.

But that's true in anything. Most are just looking for quick money and don't care about it being a business.

Why is it that most treat the adult porn business as a hobby?
Get in and get out with what ever you can still, sad.

It just totally screws up those that are honest and running things as a business.

Oz

Tukhman · 04-21-2003, 05:27 PM

Sorry to hear that. Best thing to do in these cases is to always require additional information, such as the authorization form, forms of ID, etc... specifically on bigger purchases.

jim manly · 04-21-2003, 05:27 PM

Damn thats not cool

Just last week someone stole my debit card number and made purchases over the internet. Luckily I noticed it quick and deactivated my card, only $300. Still it sucks. Fucking scammers

smack · 04-21-2003, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

scum.

unfortunately i think that applies to the world as a whole. unseen, sorry to hear about that man. i hope the credit card company is on their shit and gets ahold of this guy. kind of seems like one of those fees they should absorb. seeing as how is was THEIR fraud protection that failed. hope you find a resolution in a speedy fashion.

foe · 04-21-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by smack

unfortunately i think that applies to the world as a whole. unseen, sorry to hear about that man. i hope the credit card company is on their shit and gets ahold of this guy. kind of seems like one of those fees they should absorb. seeing as how is was THEIR fraud protection that failed. hope you find a resolution in a speedy fashion.

Thats arguable.

beemk · 04-21-2003, 05:45 PM

how could they be that stupid? if they wanted the unlicensed sets that bad why would they do credit card fraud? they could have much easier just copied the pics off some site.

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 05:50 PM

Check this out... Whoever did this sure looked like they were financing their way into the adult biz with someone else's card. This is the "victim's" statement (identifying info obliterated) and I see a number of adult-oriented businesses here. Also, I see a second chargeback on the way in the statement, too, so I think we're up to somewhere around $3500 now that I may have to find some way to pay back. Here's his statement. I assume the circled transactions are ones the cardholder is disputing. Anybody seriously know how to fight this sort of thing (my business is "Afterglow Marketing")?

Mutt · 04-21-2003, 06:00 PM

City Guide ISP i think is Candid Hosting? Looks like a 300 dollar charge to them, a hosting account. Maybe they can give you some info.

Some charges are for paysite memberships.

Then there's one that looks like another big charge to another content provider - X41 Productions of Arizona. Anybody know who that is?

Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?

You could still of course get ripped off but this would be a good policy.

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?

Up till now, that has been done in the licensing stage. I think in the future, for sales over say, $200 from an unfamiliar customer, I'll be getting callback info and checking WHOIS and stuff.

stocktrader23 · 04-21-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
City Guide ISP i think is Candid Hosting? Looks like a 300 dollar charge to them, a hosting account. Maybe they can give you some info.

Some charges are for paysite memberships.

Then there's one that looks like another big charge to another content provider - X41 Productions of Arizona. Anybody know who that is?

Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?

You could still of course get ripped off but this would be a good policy.

Yes Cityguide is Candid. Hopefully they can help. Dunno.

Cassie · 04-21-2003, 06:07 PM

just wrong....way wrong

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 10:02 PM

Well, I found the original orders and they came in about an hour apart from two different IP #'s. Here's the info I was able to obtain using an IP address tracker:

looking up 217.144.0.133
Failed to resolve address 217.144.0.133

looking up 195.66.208.29
Official name: sentry-real.ilyichevsk.net

One failed to resolve and the other seems to be a Ukrainian ISP. Any ideas what to do next?
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psyko514 · 04-21-2003, 10:06 PM

how'd you get the statement?

LadyMischief · 04-21-2003, 10:19 PM

Ugh.. it couldn't have happened to someone who deserved the bullshit less. I am really sorry that happened to you, Unseen. I hope they catch this asshole and send him straight to his "love shack" with Bubba. Man that's unreal.. I will say one thing thing, this is a thief with taste in content!

Not that that helps you, but hopefully that brings a smile. Keep us informed, eh?

fantasycontent · 04-21-2003, 10:27 PM

dude that totally sucks! the biggest charge back we had was for $600. Like you it didnt come back until the money was already spent. Anyway Good luck!

UnseenWorld · 04-22-2003, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
how'd you get the statement?

I got it from my merchant bank.

slavdogg · 04-22-2003, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Well, I found the original orders and they came in about an hour apart from two different IP #'s. Here's the info I was able to obtain using an IP address tracker:

looking up 217.144.0.133
Failed to resolve address 217.144.0.133

looking up 195.66.208.29
Official name: sentry-real.ilyichevsk.net

One failed to resolve and the other seems to be a Ukrainian ISP. Any ideas what to do next?
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Shit man with that info you could have gotten more info about them, and submited them to a collection agency. But if they're really in Ukraine you're fucked. There is nothing you can do here. Do some more digging and double check if he's really from Ukraine. Thats about all you can do.

RaiDeN · 04-22-2003, 03:21 AM

sorry to hear that unseenworld.

btw that first ipadress:

<<<<<<<<
inetnum: 217.144.0.0 - 217.144.6.255
netname: NEXTJO
descr: Network Exchange Technology
descr: Farah Trading & Contracting Co.
descr: P.O.Box 510449, Amman 11151 Jordan
country: JO
admin-c: MF13297-RIPE
tech-c: MF16025-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
notify: [email protected]
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-NONE-MNT
changed: [email protected] 20021120
source: RIPE
>>>>>>>>>

slavdogg · 04-22-2003, 03:25 AM

Unseen, in the future dont sell ANY content to any east europeans or Middle Easterners.

unless they send you funds western union .
and dont take wires from them either.

RaiDeN · 04-22-2003, 03:25 AM

and btw that second one seems to be a gateway from odessa.net (ukraine) as far as i can see, i cant read the page but it looks like an isp.

JUSTB · 04-24-2003, 07:11 AM

Please email me with more information on this chargeback and I'll see what I have on the guy
Thanks
[email protected]

Brujah · 04-24-2003, 10:29 AM

why would he buy all that content ? why not just join the site if he wants to look at it.

04-21-2003, 02:02 PM	#1
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Somebody Did Something Really Dumb and it Hurts! Many of you don't know, but while I have a huge number of photos for sale, I'm still a 1-1/4 person (with a part-timer) operation. My "ride" is a bicycle. I live in a 1-bedroom apartment where the bedroom is an office, and while my gross might impress some, my net is well down in the 5 figures paying models, renting locations, buying photo equipment, and so on, gets expensive, plus money I make pretty much gets plowed back into the business right away. So, when somebody downloads a shitload of photos and pays for it with a charge card, and then 6 weeks later I get a chargeback notice saying the owner of the card made no such purchase (around $2400), it really hurts. I just don't keep that kind of money laying around in my account. Now, someone downloaded a shitload of sets, gave me someone else's card number, and doesn't dare send in the license. I just wonder what in the world they would hope to accomplish by doing that...probably use it to screw some third party. It is not going to be easy to deal with this kind of hit. I'm going to be using every resource available to discover who did it (records of IP numbers if they're available), but I may just be stuck with this bill. After 6 weeks, the money has been spent. I'm just depressing how thoughtless some people can be. This will probably mean I will have to get all kinds of confirming documentary evidence before putting large sales with new customers through in the future. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-21-2003, 02:41 PM	#6
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I fucking hate thieves with passion. Especially if they steal from me. But I'm sorry to hear that, hope ya get it sorted __________________ ..and I'm off.

04-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#10
kacy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 877	That sucks Sorry to hear that. Let me know if you need help tracking down the ip for the downsloads to try and match it up to the location of the cc holder. It might help you out in fighting the charge back. How long ago was the download? Like 6 weeks ago? Well send me whatever info you have and we'll see what we can track down for ya. Keep your chin up __________________ ~Kacy

04-21-2003, 04:42 PM	#14
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	That just isn't right. I'm sorry to hear that. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

04-21-2003, 05:16 PM	#17
OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	UnseenWorld Damn, sorry to hear this. Hope you get some justice on this. Oz __________________ Techie Media Web Hosting

04-21-2003, 02:04 PM	#2
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry to hear that. Fraud is such a shame, where did all the honesty go. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to figure out who did it, tracing IPs... or in the best case you'll find your content in someone's tour who didn't license it. Good luck.

04-21-2003, 02:05 PM	#3
Stallion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: FL Posts: 6,632	Damn sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it just goes to show you that some people in this business will do anything they can to scam others. I hope you find out exactly who did this and make them pay what they are entitled to.

04-21-2003, 02:39 PM	#4
Sassyass Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,101	No honor. I'm sorry that happened to you.

04-21-2003, 02:43 PM	#7
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?

04-21-2003, 02:46 PM	#8
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	Best of luck catching the prick. Hope it gets resolved soon.

04-21-2003, 02:54 PM	#11
Lily Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BFE WA State Posts: 147	God that SUCKS. I've never had a chargeback that big. This last week a guy's mom found out he had a little "habit" and forced him to dispute well over $5,000 in PayPal payments made to a bunch of phone sex companies. I got hit for about $1500, I think I took the worst of it. It's a horrible, horrible thing and I hope someone figures out how to stop this kind of thing soon. I'm starting to think bar codes, finger printing or retinal scans tied to your bank account aren't a bad thing.

04-21-2003, 03:22 PM	#13
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	Man, that's fucked up. If you want to boost your monthly though, re-read that AVS deal proposal I sent you a few months back!

04-21-2003, 04:45 PM	#15
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	thats fucked up shit man. dont call the authorites, get a really sharp knife,a nd apply light pressure with it to the base of the scrotum. and pull. or push... depending on angle. but you get the picture.

04-21-2003, 04:47 PM	#16
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers. scum.

04-21-2003, 05:27 PM	#19
Tukhman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 337	Sorry to hear that. Best thing to do in these cases is to always require additional information, such as the authorization form, forms of ID, etc... specifically on bigger purchases. __________________ <p align="right"> <a href="http://www.adultcentro.com/"><img height=31 src="http://www.allliquid.com/images/gif/ac_88x31.gif" width=88 border=0></a>

04-21-2003, 05:27 PM	#20
jim manly Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 605	Damn thats not cool Just last week someone stole my debit card number and made purchases over the internet. Luckily I noticed it quick and deactivated my card, only $300. Still it sucks. Fucking scammers __________________

04-21-2003, 05:45 PM	#23
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	how could they be that stupid? if they wanted the unlicensed sets that bad why would they do credit card fraud? they could have much easier just copied the pics off some site. __________________ I host with Vacares

04-21-2003, 05:50 PM	#24
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Check this out... Whoever did this sure looked like they were financing their way into the adult biz with someone else's card. This is the "victim's" statement (identifying info obliterated) and I see a number of adult-oriented businesses here. Also, I see a second chargeback on the way in the statement, too, so I think we're up to somewhere around $3500 now that I may have to find some way to pay back. Here's his statement. I assume the circled transactions are ones the cardholder is disputing. Anybody seriously know how to fight this sort of thing (my business is "Afterglow Marketing")? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-21-2003, 06:00 PM	#25
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	City Guide ISP i think is Candid Hosting? Looks like a 300 dollar charge to them, a hosting account. Maybe they can give you some info. Some charges are for paysite memberships. Then there's one that looks like another big charge to another content provider - X41 Productions of Arizona. Anybody know who that is? Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information? You could still of course get ripped off but this would be a good policy. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

04-21-2003, 06:07 PM	#28
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	just wrong....way wrong __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

04-21-2003, 10:02 PM	#29
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Well, I found the original orders and they came in about an hour apart from two different IP #'s. Here's the info I was able to obtain using an IP address tracker: looking up 217.144.0.133 Failed to resolve address 217.144.0.133 looking up 195.66.208.29 Official name: sentry-real.ilyichevsk.net One failed to resolve and the other seems to be a Ukrainian ISP. Any ideas what to do next? <br> <br> __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-21-2003, 10:06 PM	#30
psyko514 See sig. Join Epic Cash. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec. ICQ: 214702014 Posts: 22,366	how'd you get the statement? __________________ Bad Girl Bucks - 50% Revshare through CCBill. Promote BrandyDDD, Pixie's Pillows, Action Allie and more! Phoenix Forum Pics \| Webmaster Access Montreal pics email: psyko514(a)gmail.com \| icq: 214-702-014

04-21-2003, 10:19 PM	#31
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Ugh.. it couldn't have happened to someone who deserved the bullshit less. I am really sorry that happened to you, Unseen. I hope they catch this asshole and send him straight to his "love shack" with Bubba. Man that's unreal.. I will say one thing thing, this is a thief with taste in content! Not that that helps you, but hopefully that brings a smile. Keep us informed, eh? __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

04-21-2003, 10:27 PM	#32
fantasycontent Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: FSF Web Media Inc. Posts: 2,104	dude that totally sucks! the biggest charge back we had was for $600. Like you it didnt come back until the money was already spent. Anyway Good luck! __________________ http://www.fantasycontent.com http://www.x-ratedresources.com http://www.fantasymodeling.com/

04-22-2003, 03:21 AM	#35
RaiDeN Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 496	sorry to hear that unseenworld. btw that first ipadress: <<<<<<<< inetnum: 217.144.0.0 - 217.144.6.255 netname: NEXTJO descr: Network Exchange Technology descr: Farah Trading & Contracting Co. descr: P.O.Box 510449, Amman 11151 Jordan country: JO admin-c: MF13297-RIPE tech-c: MF16025-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA notify: [email protected] mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-NONE-MNT changed: [email protected] 20021120 source: RIPE >>>>>>>>>

04-22-2003, 03:25 AM	#36
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	Unseen, in the future dont sell ANY content to any east europeans or Middle Easterners. unless they send you funds western union . and dont take wires from them either.

04-24-2003, 07:11 AM	#38
JUSTB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: tampa Posts: 1,740	Please email me with more information on this chargeback and I'll see what I have on the guy Thanks [email protected]

04-24-2003, 10:29 AM	#39
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	why would he buy all that content ? why not just join the site if he wants to look at it. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com