And again you miss the point for this thread. I am not looking for a public apology or a way to clean up the damage to my browser. That would fix my issues..but would leave thousands of other surfers vulnerable to the same underhanded techniques. Whether Ron hears of this through this bbs or through the FTC or FCC is a mute point.

If you read this thread carefully, you will see that I have been very careful in insuring that the source of the problems is in fact the Standard Internet link. (Read New Install of Netscape thread above).

If Ron does respond to this thread, I assume that his response will be the normal 12 clicks response, which usually goes something like this...."we can talk about this again later when you get home from the day job. Do you want fries with that?). So, the end result, we will have our little pissing match, and 1,000's of surfers will continue to have their browsers exploited.

But, by defending my actions, I am probably minimalizing the original complaint, so this is my final response. This thread was not started to produce controversy..but instead to get results.

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Federal Communications Commission
Consumer Complaint Form 475
For Telephone-Related Issues

FORM 475 - General Telephone-Related Issues

For general telephone complaints including billing disputes, cramming, taxes on phone bill, telephone company advertising practices, telephone information services, unsolicited telephone marketing calls and faxes, and accessibility by persons with disabilities to telecommunications equipment and services."

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What is the connection between an EXPLOIT spotted by THIRD PARTY PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE (Norton) and the justification of your complaint ("hijacking my browser") ?

I bet 12clicks is still out HiJacking easter baskets.:1orglaugh :helpme Poor little kids.

So you really want to be the Sheriff then?

Thank god we've got looking out for all the surfers in the world.

I really think you should take some valium. Throw away your computer and buy another.

http://www.internetfl.com/police/shield.gif

I see you just don't get it, Do you..:)

pass me a few of those.

or a disgruntled former employee...

BTW rooster...Did you actually see the films BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE or ROGER AND ME?

I am convinced that somebody on this thread "just doesn't get it", that's for sure.

i get the big picture...just some of the smaller details like LIFE evade me.

First, read from the start of my thread...you will see that the browser has been hijacked...and all links point back at SI. The McAfee virus detection was a secondary test and also came back conclusive.

As far as the correct complaint link, do not click on the first link you see. If you read further, you will find the contact info for other types of complaints. I instead, sent complaints via their email option, which covers "non-telephone" related complaints.

And you are correct, this may not be the best link, but with both FCC and FTC links provided, I would hope one would reach the correct destination.

I just hijacked 49thParallel's outlook express.


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Deer fcc,

some stinkypants hijacked my browser. puhleez put him in jail.

btw, some guy said "Caveat Emptor" to me. Will you please arrest him too?...

Thanks,
49thParallel

I have the same problem sometimes.:Graucho

I learned my lesson about using standard internet programs about a year ago, very bad people to do business with. This doesn't surprise me in the least.

Imagine if everytime you picked up your phone, it automatically dialed the home shopping network.

That would suck.

49thParallel - can you please post a sample link? Uncheck "Automatically parse URLs" below the text entry area, and perhaps add an obvious word into the domain name so that it must be copied then modified to be used - DON'T post if it can just be clicked!

MrPopUp = 12clicks.

I wonder if 12clicks is going to open his big fucking mouth in this thread?


:glugglug

hmm, I had a similar sounding program called "Xupiter" or some shit completly take over and old computer of mine. If I find out that's a Standard Internet program, I shit you not when I say I will fuck up 12clicks the next time he's acting like a big shot at a Vegas crap table.

:thumbsup

The hidden popup that I made reference to early has just appeared on my system, (as it does every couple of hours)....the url is imbedded right into my registry....

Here it is:

http://0-ol1oiz-xolxii1-oxli10ozl1l1.../npa/pop.html?

When examined further, this url calls up (through the system registry) adtrak.com - which is also a Standard Internet owned domain....

which then redirects to another adpage.

And the advertisement it popped up this time is as follows:

http://www.textlinks.com/ads/npa/GoodCredit.jpg

A quick search of the whois shows that textlinks.com is also owned by Standard Internet.

So, to recap, the damage the original ALLClicks SI link has inflicted so far is as follows:

Download of JS/exploit virus (as determined by McAfee)
Alteration of System Registry
Hijacking of browser error page

And, I repeat, if you have been hit with a similar exploit, the appropriate complaint urls are listed at the start of this thread.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......................... .........

shuddering.

Luc someone was just missing you in another thread. I forget which one. :glugglug

You're not alone :Graucho

does your pussy hurt? you sure bitch alot

Where is 12clicks?

Still no response from the allusive 12clicks.

which of Standard Internet's programs do this ?

its probably in his best interest to ignore this thread.

Did you check out your security settings? If you set them as high as you can and you still get it, you've been hijacked. If the script doesn't try to bypass any of your settings there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I personally think adware's a great idea, it's something I've been experimenting with myself. If 12Clicks has already used this to its maximum potential good for him. Let him make his money.

As far as the comment about getting accused of hitbotting, I don't know if you were around when all those cheat groups were raping SI, but they got hit pretty hard. In fact, PPC would be dead had they not been the ones who really pushed forward and put some effort into chasing down these fucking 12 year olds with their proGGiez.

Plus the FTC sucks, if you make them start cracking down shit like this they'll probably eventually outlaw popups then hahahahahahahahahaha altogether.

AllClicks is the program that did the damage on my system.

And it appears that the damage is inflicted through a JS/Exploit file. Changes have been made to the system registry and are not detectable by ANY security, spy-bot, adware removal programs that I have tested to date.

It is only after upgrading McAfee anti-virus on Saturday and then doing a first-time install of Netscape on Sunday that the JS/exploit was detected when going to an Allclicks link.

I'm not really around until wed/thur but I thought I'd make a quick post regarding this slander.

If I ever decided to hijack browsers, it would be millions, not thousands. Insinuating I only had the traffic to grab 1,000s is slanderous.:1orglaugh

oh, and thequeen, it "elusive" not "allusive"

So, after this episode you will have a well-optimized and more secure system.

You should be thanking 12clicks, not hating him. :evil-laug

No, the word is allusive.

2. Having reference to something not fully expressed; containing an allusion

You figure it out oh wise one.

12 Clicks... read thru the evidence collected in the above thread...
You might be able to fool the loyal on this board...but the various electronic footprints your program has left tell the real story. All has and will continue to be well documented and forwarded to the FTC.

I still highly recommend anyone else who has been subjected to the same type of attack on your system, consult the FTC/FCC complaint URL's at the start of this thread.

In the context you used, it's elusive, I noticed that as well.

The word that I chose with forethought was allusive. He, nor you, seem to be the sharpest knive in the drawer.

Why does majority here live by the "If I ignore the problem, it'll disappear" mentality?

Someone bitches about spam, they're told to delete it and move on.
Someone bitches about chat/AIM/MSN bots, they're told to uninstall the program.
Someone bitches about browser hijacking and they're told install Ad-Aware or something similar.

allusion NOUN: 1. The act of alluding; indirect reference

the very first post refers to the culprit by name. no one alluded to 12clicks.

neither allusive nor ellusive fit what you're saying.

Pretend?

i believe the proper word is "retarded"...what this thread is quickly becoming.

Another dull knife.

Perhaps you might want to explain your choice of words, as opposed to sounding like even more of an idiot?

More interesting information on this Standard Internet exploit:

SPYWARE INFO FORUM http://www.spywareinfo.com/forums/in...4922&hl=fassia

TECHIE RESOURCE SITE
http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/AutoSearch.html

Of additional interest is a reference in the second URL placed above. which states that some consumers and businesses that have been hit by this attack are redirected as follows:
"Any address bar search you do is sent to a single page, possibly at www.tunders.com"

A search of WHOIS quickly reveals that tunders.com is, as have been all of the other links discussed above, a STANDARD INTERNET owned and operated domain.

Also of interest is the part which states, Distribution - Unknown As Yet....

The information I have gathered thus far will be shared in very short order, and the same requests to forward complaints to the FTC will repeated, in hopes that the techies on the Spyware board will be even more convincing and eloquent in their determination of the source of this system exploit.

And 12-Clicks, at one point, if you would have said that this was all the work of an "evil affiliate", perhaps I would have been convinced. (Although I would have hunted them down as well). But, as discussed previously, the JS/Exploit comes directly from my test affiliate ALLClicks link.

Why don't you show us some "proof" that standard internet hijacks people's browsers. All you're doing is pointing the finger and not showing any proof. That might have been an SI affiliate that did this and not them directly.

It really doesn't make sense to me for them to hijack webmaster's browsers since you went to their affiliate page.

Lastly, McAffee really jumps the gun on these so called JS "exploits". Their determinations are more political than anything. They actually consider delay consoles "exploits" as well as dialers while Norton does not.

In short, I honestly don't buy what you're saying. If there was some sort of auto download exploit in the new IE it's likely that it would be exploited by many more people.

Also who made you the Internet Cop? Thanks to your FTC complaint I'm sure they're going to go after blind link programs in general. Thanks for making my job easier.

He says that he was Hijacked when he clicked on the link that they gave him, as an affilliate, that his surfers would be clicking on.

Have you read ANY of the above thread? I would suggest you read it all. That should explain a few things to you, and provides more then simply a smoking gun...

And the "alleged" culprit" link is the one that an affiliate uses with blind text to send consumers to Standard Internet online property...

And as far as the FTC goes, when a company's exploit causes mailicous damage to my system and other consumers' and businesses' systems, then the gloves are off.

Pathfinder, you're an idiot, plain and simple.

Still no response from the elusive 12clicks -- psycko please note the correct spelling of the word elusive here as well -- would have been the correct usage.

Your post indicates that 12clicks hadn't shown up to post yet, making him elusive, your dictionary reference to something unexpressed or alluded to makes no sense from a grammatical standpoint in this context whatsoever.

Of course your change of name and rip for your old one was pretty silly too, but that's a whole other can of worms.

also, please note the correct spelling of "psyko" :thumbsup

I hope you've consulted with an attorney before going as far as you have in this thread. Especially since you believe in what your saying pretty strongly...

Drama is one thing but sheeeit........ this still has a chance to get interesting.