iBill New Cross Border Aquiring Regulations - GoFuckYourself.com

rodme_him · 04-18-2003, 09:16 PM

Got this from my REP

I wanted to bring this to your attention before you were sent an email Monday.

As you are aware, Visa and the other card associations have classified iBill as an IPSP (Internet Payment Service Provider). With this, there are some new regulations that iBill must adhere to. One of the regulations deals with cross border aquiring. This means that as an IPSP, we can only accept transactions from merchants that are located in the regions in which iBill has banking relations.

Today, iBill has banking relationships in the US and EU regions only. Shortly, iBill will not be able to accept transactions from our merchants located in Canada. Hence: I wanted to make you aware of this ASAP. As I mentioned, communication should be going out to all of our clients regarding this issue in the upcoming days. In order to continue to process through iBill you will need to have a presence in the US or EU regions.

Brujah · 04-18-2003, 09:26 PM

It's all a secret plot by the shadow church government to rid the world of satans evil influences.

TheJimmy · 04-18-2003, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
It's all a secret plot by the shadow church government to rid the world of satans evil influences.

you bet it is!

Brujah · 04-18-2003, 09:30 PM

Oh, and iBill doesn't like Canadians.

m0rph3us · 04-18-2003, 09:30 PM

errr this should have happened in Nov. WHy are they starting to enforce it now?

p00p · 04-18-2003, 09:42 PM

Long story short.....A good biller, one of the top 3, moved me from USA processing to their UK branch. I am Canadian. I asked one of the owners about it....am I safe from Visa regs. This was about 3 months ago. He wrote back and said "my best advice at this time is to establish a UK presence." He didn't say I had to, but advised I do.
I also contacted a processor based in the UK, about a month ago, and they said the same thing. In fact, they wouldn't even set up processing unless I set up a UK presence.
Personally, I only think it is a matter of time. I am still getting signups under my UK processor with no Visa fees, but....it is only a matter of time before I have to set up a UK presence, which as far as I know doesn't require the $750 fee, but requires a presence in the UK. And when I checked prices to do it, it was outrageous. Just my experience, yours may vary.

jact · 04-18-2003, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p
Long story short.....A good biller, one of the top 3, moved me from USA processing to their UK branch. I am Canadian. I asked one of the owners about it....am I safe from Visa regs. This was about 3 months ago. He wrote back and said "my best advice at this time is to establish a UK presence." He didn't say I had to, but advised I do.
I also contacted a processor based in the UK, about a month ago, and they said the same thing. In fact, they wouldn't even set up processing unless I set up a UK presence.
Personally, I only think it is a matter of time. I am still getting signups under my UK processor with no Visa fees, but....it is only a matter of time before I have to set up a UK presence, which as far as I know doesn't require the $750 fee, but requires a presence in the UK. And when I checked prices to do it, it was outrageous. Just my experience, yours may vary.

Sometimes I wish Canada wasn't a third world nation.

m0rph3us · 04-18-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p
Long story short.....A good biller, one of the top 3, moved me from USA processing to their UK branch. I am Canadian. I asked one of the owners about it....am I safe from Visa regs. This was about 3 months ago. He wrote back and said "my best advice at this time is to establish a UK presence." He didn't say I had to, but advised I do.
I also contacted a processor based in the UK, about a month ago, and they said the same thing. In fact, they wouldn't even set up processing unless I set up a UK presence.
Personally, I only think it is a matter of time. I am still getting signups under my UK processor with no Visa fees, but....it is only a matter of time before I have to set up a UK presence, which as far as I know doesn't require the $750 fee, but requires a presence in the UK. And when I checked prices to do it, it was outrageous. Just my experience, yours may vary.

if you're with an ISPS you SHOULD already have a presence, not just a mailing address there. If VISA checks, you're fucked.

Cogitator · 04-18-2003, 10:46 PM

ibill......NOT!!!!!!

p00p · 04-18-2003, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us

if you're with an ISPS you SHOULD already have a presence, not just a mailing address there. If VISA checks, you're fucked.

Then I am fucked. But I am still getting checks....from Visa sales too. And paypal....

gruffy · 04-18-2003, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rodme_him
Got this from my REP

As you are aware, Visa and the other card associations have classified iBill as an IPSP (Internet Payment Service Provider). With this, there are some new regulations that iBill must adhere to. One of the regulations deals with cross border aquiring. This means that as an IPSP, we can only accept transactions from merchants that are located in the regions in which iBill has banking relations.

why not just use ProBilling who have real offices in Canada and skip the app fees, and the whole myriad of bullshit with the theives at iBill, etc. ?

x582 · 04-18-2003, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gruffy

why not just use ProBilling who have real offices in Canada and skip the app fees, and the whole myriad of bullshit with the theives at iBill, etc. ?

maybe because i don't like to have my rebills down the drain every month

gruffy · 04-18-2003, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by x582

maybe because i don't like to have my rebills down the drain every month

Fair enough. Options on this side of the border are running pretty damn low, and its going to get worse.

Better get a Nevada office if you fancy iBill and unmodified free enterprise.

Shoplifter · 04-18-2003, 11:10 PM

The big huge question is:

If you are a Canadian with an EU presence do you have to have your bank in EU?

This is the only thing that really scares me.

Fletch XXX · 04-18-2003, 11:10 PM

'But how can you bring back the dead
And try to tell me you`re sorry
How can you live with yourself
Knowing

Got to be a friend again
Forgive me, can`t you see me in your darkness
I`m feeling lonely, less than zero'

Shoplifter · 04-18-2003, 11:12 PM

rodme_him:

Where is your current address as far as Ibill is concerned?

If I look at the join page on your site (Assuming it's your site) Ibill says you are:

Your purchase will be billed as IBILLCS.com*On-Line Media

But it has no country of origin...strange..

hershie · 04-19-2003, 12:29 AM

Any Canadians using ProBilling?

girlsfilmed · 04-19-2003, 01:35 AM

I am Canadain, using probilling. So far so good.

HS-Trixxxia · 04-19-2003, 01:55 AM

The strange thing is that I called Ibill last week and they told me they could 'arrange' getting around this - but it's for a mainstream business.

Go figure.

P.S. the new character of 'trixxx' has no relation to me - not his views nor his site. :-)

Centurion · 04-19-2003, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by x582

maybe because i don't like to have my rebills down the drain every month

Amen to that!

girlsfilmed · 04-19-2003, 04:49 AM

why would rebills go down the drain?

directfiesta · 04-19-2003, 06:39 AM

A bit baffled>>>

Tought that you needed a US presence ( which I did) plus the fee after Nov.15th to process Visa with Ibill.

Seems that versions ort as many as Ibill employess ( or what's left of them).

rodme_him · 04-19-2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
rodme_him:

Where is your current address as far as Ibill is concerned?

If I look at the join page on your site (Assuming it's your site) Ibill says you are:

Your purchase will be billed as IBILLCS.com*On-Line Media

But it has no country of origin...strange..

Current address is in Ontario Canada, I noticed that myself, so I don't know what the scoop is here. I had a lot of problems with physical address vs. mailing address, they couldn't get it right.

rodme_him · 04-19-2003, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by girlsfilmed
I am Canadain, using probilling. So far so good.

What is your experience with them so far?

Are they sticky about you giving them your SIN number, or do they just forego that?

Interlude · 04-19-2003, 07:42 AM

People still use iBill?

Cindyff · 04-19-2003, 08:13 AM

Ibill died last year and all the players have left the field.

The only company worth talking to is Epoch

Cindy xx

Colin H · 04-21-2003, 10:36 AM

Please feel free to contact us about payment processing for Canadians.

Thanks for the kind posts Gruffy and Girlsfilmed.

Elephant_Gut · 04-21-2003, 11:21 AM

just use Glo-bill. Great service, no $750, no setting up a US corporation and they accept Canucks, Eh?

04-18-2003, 09:16 PM	#1
rodme_him Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 51	iBill New Cross Border Aquiring Regulations Got this from my REP I wanted to bring this to your attention before you were sent an email Monday. As you are aware, Visa and the other card associations have classified iBill as an IPSP (Internet Payment Service Provider). With this, there are some new regulations that iBill must adhere to. One of the regulations deals with cross border aquiring. This means that as an IPSP, we can only accept transactions from merchants that are located in the regions in which iBill has banking relations. Today, iBill has banking relationships in the US and EU regions only. Shortly, iBill will not be able to accept transactions from our merchants located in Canada. Hence: I wanted to make you aware of this ASAP. As I mentioned, communication should be going out to all of our clients regarding this issue in the upcoming days. In order to continue to process through iBill you will need to have a presence in the US or EU regions. __________________ <center> <b>A good webmaster is a happy webmaster</b> </center>

04-18-2003, 09:26 PM	#2
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04-18-2003, 09:30 PM	#4
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04-18-2003, 09:30 PM	#5
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04-18-2003, 09:42 PM	#6
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	Long story short.....A good biller, one of the top 3, moved me from USA processing to their UK branch. I am Canadian. I asked one of the owners about it....am I safe from Visa regs. This was about 3 months ago. He wrote back and said "my best advice at this time is to establish a UK presence." He didn't say I had to, but advised I do. I also contacted a processor based in the UK, about a month ago, and they said the same thing. In fact, they wouldn't even set up processing unless I set up a UK presence. Personally, I only think it is a matter of time. I am still getting signups under my UK processor with no Visa fees, but....it is only a matter of time before I have to set up a UK presence, which as far as I know doesn't require the $750 fee, but requires a presence in the UK. And when I checked prices to do it, it was outrageous. Just my experience, yours may vary. __________________ ICQ: 316365783 <a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>

04-18-2003, 10:46 PM	#9
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04-18-2003, 11:10 PM	#14
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	The big huge question is: If you are a Canadian with an EU presence do you have to have your bank in EU? This is the only thing that really scares me.

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04-18-2003, 11:12 PM	#16
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,726	rodme_him: Where is your current address as far as Ibill is concerned? If I look at the join page on your site (Assuming it's your site) Ibill says you are: Your purchase will be billed as IBILLCS.comOn-Line Media But it has no country of origin...strange.. Last edited by Shoplifter; 04-18-2003 at 11:16 PM..*

04-19-2003, 12:29 AM	#17
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	Any Canadians using ProBilling?

04-19-2003, 01:35 AM	#18
girlsfilmed Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 18	I am Canadain, using probilling. So far so good.

04-19-2003, 01:55 AM	#19
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	The strange thing is that I called Ibill last week and they told me they could 'arrange' getting around this - but it's for a mainstream business. Go figure. P.S. the new character of 'trixxx' has no relation to me - not his views nor his site. :-) __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com

04-19-2003, 04:49 AM	#21
girlsfilmed Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 18	why would rebills go down the drain?

04-19-2003, 06:39 AM	#22
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,677	A bit baffled>>> Tought that you needed a US presence ( which I did) plus the fee after Nov.15th to process Visa with Ibill. Seems that versions ort as many as Ibill employess ( or what's left of them). __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

04-19-2003, 07:42 AM	#25
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	People still use iBill?

04-19-2003, 08:13 AM	#26
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Ibill died last year and all the players have left the field. The only company worth talking to is Epoch Cindy xx

04-21-2003, 10:36 AM	#27
Colin H Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 35	Please feel free to contact us about payment processing for Canadians. Thanks for the kind posts Gruffy and Girlsfilmed. __________________ [email protected] <a href="http://www.probilling.com/advertiserDispatcher.cfm?ac=COLINH&pc=COLINH" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.probilling.com/images/promo/DC1_468x60.gif" border="0"></a>

04-21-2003, 11:21 AM	#28
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