Is that where you do your day-to-day business (open your mail, pay your bills, take phonecalls, etc.)? If not, the answer is no.

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oh crap I was hella late on this one

I'll admit, I don't have a lawyer.

:Graucho

What's the answer?

(this was in regard to whether people just using sponsor content or content they have purchased have to display the appropriate info on their free sites or galleries)

Actually, The law was written pre-Internet. It was designed for magazine and video production companies...WAY before the amateur thing became big.

It may seem harsh but that is reality for you. Better to have me jump your shit and beat some sense into you then to have bubba banging it into you through the back door while he is eating your lunch form the prison cafeteria.

Which would you prefer?

I agree.

I sent my question to xxxlaw and I'll see what they say.
thanks for pointing them out

Yeah well, I know I know.. I been bad.

But hey, I am a good girl from today on eh?

My physical address is listed, so is my phonenumber, just in case I am not home when they come knocking.

*shutter*

You don't have to reach thru the monitor anymore, you got my home address now. Come on baby, wanna have a beer

"You know I love ya"

And yes you are right, we didn't comply. 90% of us Amateurs don't comply. We are worried, with good reason. We don't wanna be slapped by another webmaster
:1orglaugh

I agree hehe its just becomming more and more scarier to be in this biz but fuck it Ill jest keep adapting to the new laws/old laws

Can I be ya first stalker :) :zzwhip

I know what the answer will be, how about posting it here once they get back to you.

Sorry, I see you already answered this here:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=126106

Producers are responsible.

Thanks!
:thumbsup

On the CE Page, lets see how many are using PO Box.

Scarlett iNet LLC
PO Box 18591

Lonestar Content
Custodian of Records
PO Box 33032

Dave Rogers/Sun Up Media
Custodian of Records
31500 Grape Street
PMB 3-300

Ron Coen
President
Internet Supply Inc.
PO Box 938

Probably several more using the "Suite" trick.

their answer was basically they need me to be retained and get to know me before they can answer.

"Sorry, I see you already answered this here:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthrea...threadid=126106

Producers are responsible.

Thanks! "


As long as you didn't contract for the work to be done, in which case you would be a secondary producer.

http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/primer.html

Now wait til some fanatic comes up with the 2257 yahoo-like directory, listing all porn amateurs and other porn site operators by city/location.

Go figure. :glugglug

I suggest you take that advice. :thumbsup

Yeppers...I think the concept is legal...Not necessarily they way those two have implemented it.

look, the reason for a street address for 2257 keeper of records info is simple:

1. it will probably be a surprise visit between 9-5.

2. federal agents will have police power to seize your records and take you into custody for an infraction.

3. none of this is too tricky. keep good records, verify models ages, and comply. you will be arrested if there is a material breach of the 2257 law.

4. if the justice dept. is forced to provide compliance data to congress there WILL be surprise visits.

get you act together. in my opinion "teen content" and "barely legal" providers will be among the first visited.

end of story.

Is it possible to place your records in a safe deposit box at a bank and use their address?? Just thinking of possible ways for her to comply without having her real address.It would satisfy the business hours requirement and they do have custody of the records.

Can I just shoot you now?

READ THE FUCKING THREAD!

What if your company is outside the US and produces content outside the US? Of course you'd still have to maintain records and show releases in order to prove you're not shooting CP, but how would thes 2257 US Federal Legislation apply to those companies? Do US Feds now go flying world-wide to make surprise visits?

Not that I am aware of. :glugglug

i'm confused what law are we talking about again?

Except that Carol Cox is Canadian and not subject to 2257

But I guess the underlying point of this thread is it's ALWAYS been this way - before you decided to setup your amateur web site, the law was there.

So someone who buys 'exclusive' content would be a secondary producer?

What about keeping them in a bomb proof box at my accountant's office?

I am signed up with CECash. Do I link my 2257 page to theirs? I have their free content on my site...

of course not. US laws - have no jurisidiction (outside of embassies and military installations) overseas.

you wouldn't have to maintain any of the 2257 records. local districts might require something. but that is for them to decide.

I'd like to know why exactly this one guy from xxxlaw's interpretation of the law is in any way more reliable than the dozens of other guys that offer to keep the records for you, and yes I've read the related posts, and realise there is a vested interest in asking a fee for retaining the files and whatnot.
At any rate, I'll check how this affects Australia, it may be that keeping it at the lawyers is fine here (as I have been legally instructed) - it's not as if we have a porn-tzar paid to take on the industry here.

I'll call a better lawyer too.

edit : my legal advice from Australia shouldn't be compared to legal advice from xxxlaw for obvious reasons. Ignore my questioning of his interpretation - from what i've seen lawyers here do still instruct you to stick to US guidelines relating to 2257 though, at least in practice, so where they allow you to go fuzzy shouldn't be compared to the US.

And no one should use the following as an example of correct custodians according to xxxlaw:

SunUp Media
ISupply
Scarlett
Lonestar

They (and the others using the *Suite ###* trick) are assumed to be handling their business ILLEGALLY according to XXXLAW and this thread. :glugglug

Steffie - take Aaron's advice, stick a bunch of other producer's addresses on the page. Find out what the records address is for the plugins you have and use those. Stick up a couple of galleries of other girls in some offbeat and only-accessible-if-you-really-dig-for-it location on your site, and then put the addresses of the producers of that content on your 2257 statement. That way yours is buried or looks like one of many.

And rather than putting YOUR name down for the physical address, put your hubby's name (if you're married). The "stalkers" will be looking for a female name, not a male one. If you and your hubby "produce" your content together (or if HE shoots the pics), that SHOULD be okay - but check with your lawyer on that, as I am not one. Just sounds like it *should* be okay to put your hubby's name rather than yours.
Aaron, whaddya think?

not sure how it is in the US but in Canada you can use your accountant or lawyer's address as your legal business address for some things. Maybe if this is true in the US too you can arrange to keep the releases with them at their office instead of at your home...?

Maybe you should read the thread before replying.

:2 cents:

I agree 100%. Not sure if she overlooked my suggestion of the first part or not since she did not respond to it or to my ICQ. Thanks for bringing it up again. I personally think it is the cleanest way possible to confuse the stalker type surfer yet satisfy all of the surounding laws.

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Your 1500th post and you waste it with a fucking dot?

I think Marcus meant that the xxxlaw chap would want to be retained as a lawyer before answering the question, not that he wants a fee for retaining the records.

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Shoot anyone that steps on your property in the head and plant a knife in his/her hand and call it self-defense. :2 cents:

I think people might actualy overlook a part here. The government forces amateurs to expose themselves to the public. I guess with the first stalker arriving at your home you have a case against the government. In that case get a court order that allows you to protect yourself. If a court allows you to keep the documents at your lawyers office you should be fine.



Steffi I can help you incorporate offshore. In this case you will be an employee of your own company that resides in a different country. You would still report your taxes in the US but you would shoot the content for your foreign corporation and therefore can keep the documents at their offices but you wouldn't even be required to do so. The costs will be approximately 2000-3000 dollars to set up the corporation and 1000 bucks for maintaining the business. The corporation would not have to pay taxes and you would only pay taxes for what you pay out to yourself. If you want to look into it more closely you should buy the 'Tax Haven Guide Book' by Ken Finkelstein. It will help you decide if this is right for you. Not only big companies can corporate offshore. As long as you pay the taxes it's completely legal.

Hey Andi
Ich habe eine Gmbh in Bamberg. Meine Eltern haben mir damit geholfen.

xoxo

What does that have to do with his suggestion? It still does not change the facts.

When the stalker arrives and you shoot him, just say Aaron gave you legal advice and you were terrified.

Steffie Deutschland ist nicht wirklich Porno freundlich heutzutage. Es gibt momentan in Deutschland keine anerkannte Alterskontrolle und somit ALLE Adult Internet Seiten illegal. Ich dachte eher an eine Karibische Firma. Die sind übrigens komplett anonym wenn du das willst. Kein Mensch nicht mal die US Justiz kann die Info erhalten.

Aaron the fact is that you got good answers to your questions from your lawyer but in my opinion you failed to ask him the right questions to answer the concerns of the amateurs out there. The question has to be how far you can bend the law without breaking it and therefore protecting the privacy issues the amateurs rightly have I think. There also must be regulations for privacy issues in the US that might play into this. Many Amateurs aren't even a company but a private person doing it as hobby. The law is older than the net and was written when this kind of thing were only possible by big companies. A good lawyer should be able to find a solution but then of course that is expensive and therefore not really fundable by a small time amateur out there.

:thumbsup

Andi answer your icq
und
Frohe Ostern

if you're an amateur and you are scared or want help, contact me.
[email protected]

Steffie I got problems with ICQ it seems. Haven't gotten your message and you have not replied to mine. Just drop me an email to [email protected]