stupid trump health plan

[desmoines]

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the proposed health plan will cover aromatherapy, but not chemotherapy

so trump's health plan is meant to kill off everybody with cancer ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/u...motherapy.html

they should be able to have chemotherapy and aromatherapy and sex therapy

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[Her-Sson]

Didn't read the article yet but I have a feeling the headline doesn't really tell the entire story.

[crockett]

MAGA any day now...

[Joshua G]

another moron linking to the morons news media. NYtimes LOL.

i guess your dumbass prefers the status quo that is bankrupting the treasury.

dumb lib.

[pimpmaster9000]

I too am anxiously waiting for the MAGA to happen

[Robbie]

It's not stopping anyone from being covered for anything.
I just read that story.

The bill says that you are no longer FORCED to buy coverage for things like maternity if you are a man or an older woman.

The bill is giving people the FREEDOM to CHOOSE what they want in their health insurance plan instead of being forced into a "one-size-fits-all" which is what ObamaCare did.

The bill in Congress doesn't "cover" aromatherapy. Or chemotherapy. Or anything else.

Your insurance policy would be what covers things. Not a bill in Congress. lol

I am a man. I will never need or want maternity insurance for myself. Yet...I have to have it with ObamaCare.
I will never need a gynecologist...yet, I am forced to pay for coverage.

I already had a GREAT insurance plan starting in 2002 that cost me less than $500 a month for a family of four. $3,000 deductible and then EVERYTHING is covered 100%.

Now? That same exact policy for only 3 of us instead of 4 is costing me $1497 a month!!!!!

That is a budget buster and hits right on the 15th of every month.

Can't wait for ObamaCare to be GONE.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Her-Sson

Didn't read the article yet but I have a feeling the headline doesn't really tell the entire story.

Nor does the headline or article say what desmoines has posted.

Just another person spreading bullshit.

[john1975]

lol... Paul Ryan (Lucifer) did this to Trump on purpose. It's the most incomplete health care plan ever.

It's still Obama's congress and media.

Did trump really think they'd be able to push this through in a month or 2? Obama struggled for years to get enough Republicans on board...to pass his version. It had to be watered down so much, to get enough Republicans to say Yes. But it's also why so many are complaining about ObamaCare now. It's not his fault (Obama) ....it was the best and only possible scenario at the time.

[Bladewire]

Trump has spent almost all of his political capital with the 2 failed Muslim bans, $25 million class action consumer fraud settlement and attack on his predecessor with now debunked lies of felonious illegal wiretapping.

After a bunch of drama the bill will go through and as the American public slowly learns how, in a health bill, the rich were given $100 billion in tax cuts over the next 10 years, Republicans will pay the price of losing more blue collar voters in the 2018 elections.

[TheDynasty]

will not pass tune in tomorrow

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheDynasty

will not pass tune in tomorrow

Republicans are now jumping ship because Koch Bros offered them 7 figure campaign fund for any who voted against it.. The very next day Republicans start jumping ship and now the repel ACA vote is also delayed..

Republicans can't get anything done.. The Robbies of GFY blamed Obama for the short comings of the Republican controlled Congress and here we have all 3 branches Republican and they can't get anything done..

Thanks Trump.. Horrible leadership skills..

[NatalieK]

higher deductibles, DirtyDon´s Trumpcare you´ll be paying more

[Joshua G]

OP where's your reply to robbie? he is among millions of americans that play by the rules, & are getting gouged by obamacare.

why does he have to be foeced to buy maternity care OP?

why do man have to pay for birth control coverage, OP?

why do dumb libs defend a turd that is falling apart?



in other news mickey kaus had it right...extend medicare to 55 years old & take the biggest costs out of the insurance market, so it can be affordable to people who are not chronically sick. sadly GOP will never do this. too busy buying new nukes.

but liberal democrats didnt do it when they had all the power to do so.

so stop whining about GOP when you had your chance & totally fucked it up.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

OP where's your reply to robbie? he is among millions of americans that play by the rules, & are getting gouged by obamacare.

why does he have to be foeced to buy maternity care OP?

why do man have to pay for birth control coverage, OP?

why do dumb libs defend a turd that is falling apart?



in other news mickey kaus had it right...extend medicare to 55 years old & take the biggest costs out of the insurance market, so it can be affordable to people who are not chronically sick. sadly GOP will never do this. too busy buying new nukes.

but liberal democrats didnt do it when they had all the power to do so.

so stop whining about GOP when you had your chance & totally fucked it up.

do you know what the biggest cost factor in obamacare is ?
medicaid

i wish you would know enough about your own country to find out HOW OLD medicaid is.
obama was 4 years old !!!

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by thommy

do you know what the biggest cost factor in obamacare is ?
medicaid

i wish you would know enough about your own country to find out HOW OLD medicaid is.
obama was 4 years old !!!

meaning what? dumb lib im talking medicare, not medicaid!!!

you cant get even basic english words right.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

meaning what? dumb lib im talking medicare, not medicaid!!!

you cant get even basic english words right.

are you able to communicate in one the 3 other languages (what I actually speak better than english) ? or are you just one of this fuckers who think that english is the one and only language important in the world ?

do you actually KNOW WHY you speak english ?

i think no - because the dumb one is you.

and just to make you a bit wiser - when you pay for medicare you also pay the costs for medicaid.
but why do i explain you this facts - you will not understand them anyway because your IQ is same trump´s MINUS 150.

[CaptainHowdy]

All the kicking and the screaming on this thread ...

[ruff]

I guess we will see how it all pans out won't we? tRump supporters are going to love tRumpcare.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

do you know what the biggest cost factor in obamacare is ?
medicaid

i wish you would know enough about your own country to find out HOW OLD medicaid is.
obama was 4 years old !!!

You need to remember who Joshua G is:

[pimpmaster9000]

Oh Trump is going to make men not pay for female stuff...Genius...i wonder where that cost is going to be passed on to?...Oh wait! Could it be...To women? LOL...The same guy who failed in every biz he started is going to fix your healthcare? He is pushing a piece of shit around on a chess board...Leaving a stain and declaring it a solution...And red hats go wooooow! Tour de Trump LOL
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[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

OP where's your reply to robbie? he is among millions of americans that play by the rules, & are getting gouged by obamacare.

why does he have to be foeced to buy maternity care OP?

why do man have to pay for birth control coverage, OP?

why do dumb libs defend a turd that is falling apart?



in other news mickey kaus had it right...extend medicare to 55 years old & take the biggest costs out of the insurance market, so it can be affordable to people who are not chronically sick. sadly GOP will never do this. too busy buying new nukes.

but liberal democrats didnt do it when they had all the power to do so.

so stop whining about GOP when you had your chance & totally fucked it up.

Why do I pay 4 school taxes in Canada ( 4 real estate properties ) while I do not go to school nor do I have anyhakids ...

Why do I pay for military when I do not need it or approve of it ?


and so 0on...

This is called SOCIETY !!!!

[2MuchMark]

#Trumpcare.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

OP where's your reply to robbie? he is among millions of americans that play by the rules, & are getting gouged by obamacare.

why does he have to be foeced to buy maternity care OP?

why do man have to pay for birth control coverage, OP?

why do dumb libs defend a turd that is falling apart?



in other news mickey kaus had it right...extend medicare to 55 years old & take the biggest costs out of the insurance market, so it can be affordable to people who are not chronically sick. sadly GOP will never do this. too busy buying new nukes.

but liberal democrats didnt do it when they had all the power to do so.

so stop whining about GOP when you had your chance & totally fucked it up.

Why do I pay 4 school taxes in Canada ( 4 real estate properties ) while I do not go to school nor do I have any kids ...

Why do I pay for military when I do not need it or approve of it ?


and so on...

This is called SOCIETY !!!!

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Oh Trump is going to make men not pay for female stuff...Genius...i wonder where that cost is going to be passed on to?...Oh wait! Could it be...To women? LOL...The same guy who failed in every biz he started is going to fix your healthcare? He is pushing a piece of shit around on a chess board...Leaving a stain and declaring it a solution...And red hats go wooooow! Tour de Trump LOL
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well maybe the women do not have to pay for testicular or prostate cancer or accidents happening when chopping wood.

I think some guys do not even think of what they write here - not before and not after.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by thommy

well maybe the women do not have to pay for testicular or prostate cancer or accidents happening when chopping wood.

I think some guys do not even think of what they write here - not before and not after.

Good point

[poncabare]

Consider the source

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Good point

not really...maternity/gynecology is needed for practically 100% of the women...18% of women in the USA do not give birth but many women give birth multiple times so it evens out...

testicular cancer is 1% for men...prostate is 1 in 7 men and out of those 1 in 7 more than half are men over 65...

the cost will be passed on to women...fine by me but its not really a great plan...a great plan would involve fundamental changes not just passing shit around...

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by thommy

well maybe the women do not have to pay for testicular or prostate cancer or accidents happening when chopping wood.

I think some guys do not even think of what they write here - not before and not after.

[bronco67]

It's dead on arrival. HAHAHAHAHA

[Busty2]

Bill pulled no vote today. Ultimate deal maker, give me a break!

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It's dead on arrival. HAHAHAHAHA

Yep. Trump just confirmed that they pulled it and there will be no vote.

Back to the drawing board for the GOP.

At this point, it seems like they won't be able to rally the party to come up with a bill they all like. If Trump were smart he would now try to pull Democrats in and see if they can fix the existing bill. If he can get some Democrats on board they might actually be able to come up with something that is good and that the people like and want.

[Bladewire]

Yet another failure for Trump.

Trump will take no responsibilty, none.

"I alone can fix this"

"If you can't make a deal with a politician there is something wrong with you"

Well by Trumps own words there's something fucking wrong with him!

Republicans BITCHED & MOANED for 7 years about Obama Care and sabatoged it for YEARS refusung to make any reforms or tweaks with Democrats to ObamaCare to streamline it and make it fiscally responsible & affordable while Obama was president and Trump couldn't put such a SIMPLE deal together!

Not only that, Trump set yesterday as the deadline, failed, set the deadline a second time for today, and failed miserably. Now the bill is dead DEAD! Another promise not kept:

2 FAILED Muslim bans

1 FAILED healthcare bill

No healthcare reform

No Mexico paying for a wall (we are, maybe )

No prosecution of Hillary Clinton

No muslim ban

No rebuilding our infrastructure

No stopping funding for space exploration (he actually gave them more funding this year]

No "bombing the shit out of ISIS"

No negotiate the release of all U.S. prisoners held in Iran before taking office.

Trump is a lame duck LOSER

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

At this point, it seems like they won't be able to rally the party to come up with a bill they all like. If Trump were smart he would now try to pull Democrats in and see if they can fix the existing bill. If he can get some Democrats on board they might actually be able to come up with something that is good and that the people like and want.

i agree that trump should smarten up & try to do something bi-partisan. that would require both sides working in the same room & starting from scratch. the current bill has zero chance of democrat votes, the dems had no input.

good luck getting pelosi & ryan to agree on anything. even the time of day.

the whole congress is fucked by this partisanship. only EOs & judges matter now.

[Bladewire]

^^^ lame duck loser Trumps deep clean ass licker

[Busty2]

This is just my opinion, but I think they are all (including Obamacare) attacking healthcare in the wrong way. Healthcare is not just an American issue, it's world wide and there are two main causes. One is the extortionate prices of drugs and second is the huge cost of "administration". For example my Dr has 3 nurses an assistant a receptionist an accountant and a hospital administrator.
If government can in some way reduce these costs I believe the cost of healthcare will drop.
At the moment we have a system that mimics the prescription system. Dr's treat the symptoms and not the cause. Insurance companies will always make money, if the cost of drugs and administration drop so should the cost of insurance ?

Here's another though, how many of you would take your car to a garage and not get a quote ?
Why do hospitals not have prices available. I had a couple of MRIs recently, one at my local Hospital for $900 took an hour, One at a Hospital about 70 miles away much more involved and took 3 hours for $450 ? There is no control over what hospitals or practices charge I should add that these are my costs after insurance.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Busty2

This is just my opinion, but I think they are all (including Obamacare) attacking healthcare in the wrong way. Healthcare is not just an American issue, it's world wide and there are two main causes. One is the extortionate prices of drugs and second is the huge cost of "administration". For example my Dr has 3 nurses an assistant a receptionist an accountant and a hospital administrator.
If government can in some way reduce these costs I believe the cost of healthcare will drop.

I agree with this. When I lived in Australia my busy doctor had one receptionist, Hartley any paperwork and quick ring up. Here in the states my doctor has 5 employees, 3 if which are litterally faces in the computer doing paperwork. When I ring out it takes a good 2-3 minutes of clicking through their red tape system to check me out (not their fault) They are drowning in paperwork and regulations. Same routine when I goto get my prescription.
This needs to change.

Drug companies are run by evil greedy ruthless people. This needs to change, same for the insurance companies.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Busty2

This is just my opinion, but I think they are all (including Obamacare) attacking healthcare in the wrong way. Healthcare is not just an American issue, it's world wide and there are two main causes. One is the extortionate prices of drugs and second is the huge cost of "administration". For example my Dr has 3 nurses an assistant a receptionist an accountant and a hospital administrator.
If government can in some way reduce these costs I believe the cost of healthcare will drop.
At the moment we have a system that mimics the prescription system. Dr's treat the symptoms and not the cause. Insurance companies will always make money, if the cost of drugs and administration drop so should the cost of insurance ?

Here's another though, how many of you would take your car to a garage and not get a quote ?
Why do hospitals not have prices available. I had a couple of MRIs recently, one at my local Hospital for $900 took an hour, One at a Hospital about 70 miles away much more involved and took 3 hours for $450 ? There is no control over what hospitals or practices charge I should add that these are my costs after insurance.

90$ for MRI 5min from my house, private clinic and no insurance....

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Drug companies are run by evil greedy ruthless people. This needs to change, same for the insurance companies.

trump licker eh?

im to the left of you on this topic. i want single payer, dipshit shill for dying obamacare.

[2MuchMark]

LOL! Yet another failure.

Watch Paul Ryan Spin this:
Live updates: Trump and GOP pull health care bill - CNNPolitics.com

And Typical Trump says something Trypically Trump: "The real losers are Pelosi and Schumer". LOL

Seriously - this is better than any soap opera, ever.

Congrats to everyone who gets to keep Obamacare.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

90$ for MRI 5min from my house, private clinic and no insurance....

Yes we've seen your healthcare there

And it takes you a month to make $90 and

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yes we've seen your healthcare there

And it takes you a month to make $90 and

Actually its free if you can wait a few days...Our healthcare is ranked as more efficient than the USA...And we are a 3rd world shit hole...So is Cuban healthcare...Don't b jelly...

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by desmoines

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so trump's health plan is meant to kill off everybody with cancer ?


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Only the cigarette and fast food industries have that right!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

i agree that trump should smarten up & try to do something bi-partisan. that would require both sides working in the same room & starting from scratch. the current bill has zero chance of democrat votes, the dems had no input.

good luck getting pelosi & ryan to agree on anything. even the time of day.

the whole congress is fucked by this partisanship. only EOs & judges matter now.

Obviously, Obamacare has issues. I think the Democrats are now holding out hoping they can regain control of the House and/or Senate in 2018 and the Republicans are going to hope it collapses and the Democrats come crawling to them for help.

Maybe this is for the best. Perhaps, as the problems with Obamacare continue to come forward both sides will see some common sense things they can do to fix them.

All that said, I still think the only real solution is a single payer system and I don't see that happening in the near future.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by kane

All that said, I still think the only real solution is a single payer system and I don't see that happening in the near future.

That is the only solution. Republicans want to dial back the clock to pre-Obamacare, but everyone forgets how consumer friendly the health insurance and pharma industry is. Memories are short and very selective. If anyone thinks the free market is going to lower health costs I suggest that they are basically gullible and terminally stupid.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by kane

All that said, I still think the only real solution is a single payer system and I don't see that happening in the near future.

Conservative leader: GOP health plan could lead to single-payer system

With Epic GOP Failure, Dems Urged to Go Bold with Medicare-for-All | Common Dreams

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Conservative leader: GOP health plan could lead to single-payer system

With Epic GOP Failure, Dems Urged to Go Bold with Medicare-for-All | Common Dreams

If the Democrats end up controlling all three houses at some point down the road I have a feeling they will try to make a move towards a single payer system. I don't know if they would succeed, but it would be good to see them try.

[astronaut x]

All aboard the Trump Train!!!



Oh shit.

[pimpmaster9000]

I have a new solution:

1) deal away with private insurers
2) get a gov insurance as the only option
3) print money and pay

[thommy]

Originally Posted by kane

All that said, I still think the only real solution is a single payer system and I don't see that happening in the near future.

obamacare was only the smallest consence that obama could get through the senat and the congress. it is far away from what he wanted and what would make sense.

if i read statemenst to that topic from americans i have the feeling that every american is a multi millionair - but that is not the case.

the idea of a society is that things are done and paid together. health is one of this human rights what should be available for everybody.

rich people do not need any insurance because they can pay it from their pocket but they can pay it from there because the society made them rich.

basic things in a working society system have to be done from EVERYONE.

you can not say you do not pay for a street becaue you never drive on it.
you can not say you do not need police because you can secure yourself.
you can not say that you do not pay for clean water because you have your own spring in the garden.
you can not say you do not pay for schools because you don´t have children.
you can not ignore the gloabl warming because it happens yet far away
and this list could be 1000 pages long....

if you limit health care on what people are willing to pay for you will never find help when you have a seldom desease - exept you are a billionaire.

health is also not only a factor of medical costs. health is a factor of the gross national prouctivity. sick people can´t use their working power and help a national growth. that is why a society have also a big advantage when people are healthy.

USA never had a working social health system. even third world countries have often better systems. so the only obvious in this discussion is that people who never saw an elefant are fighting if the elefant have 3 or 6 legs.

a single payer system can´t work at all because it is an INSURANCE - you pay for what CAN but not what MUST happen.
and EVERY KIND OF INSURANCE will cost a price that the AVERAGE costs of the insurance company can make profit.

That a home owner can afford a fire insurance is due to the fact that a lot of homes never burn. health insurance is nothing else.

[MaDalton]

1883 - that's the year of the first mandatory health insurance in Germany. Austria followed 1888, Hungary 1891.

We have 2017 now.