Chem/Bio labs found

[theking]

An American General with the 101st Airborne just reported on CNN that 11 Conex chem/bio labs were found buried near an artillary shell plant. Also about 1000 lbs of documents found. No chem/bio tests mentioned.

[gothweb]

Can you wait to post it until it's actually news? Like, you know, when something is confirmed and there's enough info to know what it means...

[theking]

Originally posted by gothweb
Can you wait to post it until it's actually news? Like, you know, when something is confirmed and there's enough info to know what it means...

The news is that 11 20X20 Conex Chem/Bio labs were found buried near an artillary shell plant, along with a thousand lbs of documents. The meaning is clear, they found buried labs and dug them up.

[theking]

It was also reported today that only fifteen sites have been inspected so far out of up to 3,000 sites that are targeted for inspection, as reported by General Franks a couple of days ago.

[directfiesta]

Didn't you already post that news????

[ServerGenius]

Do you think the "world" will believe any evidence that is found
by the US? I'm not saying I rule out it can't be true but I think
a lot of people won't take it as very credible if the US is finding
evidence instead of an institution like the UN for example.

DynaMite

[kenny]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Do you think the "world" will believe any evidence that is found
by the US? I'm not saying I rule out it can't be true but I think
a lot of people won't take it as very credible if the US is finding
evidence instead of an institution like the UN for example.

DynaMite

Seriously I find the information from Sadam and minister bob much more accurate

[SleazyDream]

hey king - would you SHUT THE FUCK UP.

we know how to turn on CNN dumbass. go stop a bullet somewhere - that's all you're good for.

[Backov]

I don't know if they're going to have to plant evidence or not. Totally depends on whether they actually find any. Seems pretty clear that if they don't they will have to plant it.

However, that's not my point - in the "old" days of the US, before you guys started trading away your freedoms for the illusion of security, there was the Freedom of Information Act. You could be comfortable in knowing that 25 years later, you'd get to see that document that the government was hiding detailing the planting of evidence in Iraq.

Bush has changed that. You might never see that document now. Just as some documents from 25 years ago are still not being released under "national security"..

Now, Super-Patriot theking will blah blah about National Security, what have you - but there's very little reason to believe that any document that's 25 years old will have any impact on the nations security today.

It's just sad. New democracies like the Czech Republic have more freedom than the one they are modelling it after. The US is rapidly turning into a police state.

[mjrools23]

go find something better to do instead of constantly reporting the fucking news here

[kenny]

If I don't want to read a thread called gay anal conversion ratios I don't click the link, if I don't want to read a thread reguarding someones new car I don't click the link. GFY has plenty of topics to offer without reading something you that you have no interest in.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Backov
I don't know if they're going to have to plant evidence or not. Totally depends on whether they actually find any. Seems pretty clear that if they don't they will have to plant it.

However, that's not my point - in the "old" days of the US, before you guys started trading away your freedoms for the illusion of security, there was the Freedom of Information Act. You could be comfortable in knowing that 25 years later, you'd get to see that document that the government was hiding detailing the planting of evidence in Iraq.

Bush has changed that. You might never see that document now. Just as some documents from 25 years ago are still not being released under "national security"..

Now, Super-Patriot theking will blah blah about National Security, what have you - but there's very little reason to believe that any document that's 25 years old will have any impact on the nations security today.

It's just sad. New democracies like the Czech Republic have more freedom than the one they are modelling it after. The US is rapidly turning into a police state.

good logic post... and accurate.

[theking]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
hey king - would you SHUT THE FUCK UP.

we know how to turn on CNN dumbass. go stop a bullet somewhere - that's all you're good for.

I quit taking orders when I left the military and never would I take orders from a lard ass such as yourself. So the answer is no, I won't shut the fuck up, thank you very much.

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Didn't you already post that news????

The fifteen sites is new...General Franks statement is not.

[Interlude]

OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE PLANTED BY THE CIA! LONG LIVE SADDAM!

[theking]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Do you think the "world" will believe any evidence that is found
by the US? I'm not saying I rule out it can't be true but I think
a lot of people won't take it as very credible if the US is finding
evidence instead of an institution like the UN for example.

DynaMite

In answer to your question USA haters will believe what they choose to believe as they have their own agenda. Letting UN inspectors in again...may very well happen, but the true USA haters would not believe the UN inspectors either. They would just say the USA paid them off, or planted stuff for the inspectors to find or whatever. The haters hate for whatever their percieved reasons, that is their agenda.

[theking]

Originally posted by Backov
I don't know if they're going to have to plant evidence or not. Totally depends on whether they actually find any. Seems pretty clear that if they don't they will have to plant it.

However, that's not my point - in the "old" days of the US, before you guys started trading away your freedoms for the illusion of security, there was the Freedom of Information Act. You could be comfortable in knowing that 25 years later, you'd get to see that document that the government was hiding detailing the planting of evidence in Iraq.

Bush has changed that. You might never see that document now. Just as some documents from 25 years ago are still not being released under "national security"..

Now, Super-Patriot theking will blah blah about National Security, what have you - but there's very little reason to believe that any document that's 25 years old will have any impact on the nations security today.

It's just sad. New democracies like the Czech Republic have more freedom than the one they are modelling it after. The US is rapidly turning into a police state.

I, nor anyone that I personally know, have lost any freedom that I am aware of. I do as I always have all of my adult life and that is, I do as I choose. Maybe someone can make a list of the freedoms that I have lost so that I too can feel the oppression we citizens of the USA suffer.

[theking]

Originally posted by mjrools23
go find something better to do instead of constantly reporting the fucking news here

I have a suggestion for you...how about if you go find something better to do instead of reading a thread that you have no interest in. I do not read 90% of the threads posted on this board. You can thank me later.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking


I do not read 90% of the threads posted on this board.

You only read yours ... lol


They make 10% of the board ...

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking


I, nor anyone that I personally know, have lost any freedom that I am aware of.

How about the privacy freedom:

....

Privacy experts are dismayed by the U.S. government's use of such commercial data. They say it circumvents the spirit of the 1974 Privacy Act, which prohibits routine data collection on ordinary Americans.

"The Privacy Act passed because of fears in the 1960s of a federal data center. That data center was created after all, but it's in private hands," said Chris Hoofnagle of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

After the Sept. 11 debacle, law enforcers and government agencies clamored for data from commercial data merchants. The new Transportation Security Agency used ChoicePoint to screen some 300,000 job applicants, airport workers and pilots.

...

http://sympatico.globeandmail.com/se...ico-technology

For years now, Americans who happen to use a credit card or order a magazine have left a financial identity trail that has been catalogued by database companies like ChoicePoint Inc., then resold to the U.S. government.

[kenny]

Originally posted by theking


I, nor anyone that I personally know, have lost any freedom that I am aware of. I do as I always have all of my adult life and that is I do as I choose. Maybe someone can make a list of the freedoms that I have lost so that I too can feel the oppression we citizens of the USA suffer.

I haven't been effected by the federal level of goverment, but what is up with the random road checks that some states have established? I know in Virginia that thet setup these road blocks with a game warden present so they can search a automobile without a warrent. I swear I feel like I am in Russia or something everytime I come across one. "Your papers please.."

[theking]

Originally posted by kenny


I haven't been effected by the federal level of goverment, but what is up with the random road checks that some states have established? I know in Virginia that thet setup these road blocks with a game warden present so they can search a automobile without a warrent. I swear I feel like I am in Russia or something everytime I come across one. "Your papers please.."

I don't live in Virginia so I am not aware of what is taking place on the highways of Virginia, but here in California, as far as I know they have always had the right to search your car, with probable cause, without obtaining a search warrant. I have never had my car searched and I do not personally know anyone that has had their car searched. I am aware that the city police where I live do stop and search cars and it is the typical, hippy, mj/crack using types and it pays off for them. The ones they stop and search usually have outstanding warrants, at the least, and more often than not are nailed on new charges

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Backov
I don't know if they're going to have to plant evidence or not. Totally depends on whether they actually find any. Seems pretty clear that if they don't they will have to plant it.

However, that's not my point - in the "old" days of the US, before you guys started trading away your freedoms for the illusion of security, there was the Freedom of Information Act. You could be comfortable in knowing that 25 years later, you'd get to see that document that the government was hiding detailing the planting of evidence in Iraq.

Bush has changed that. You might never see that document now. Just as some documents from 25 years ago are still not being released under "national security"..

Now, Super-Patriot theking will blah blah about National Security, what have you - but there's very little reason to believe that any document that's 25 years old will have any impact on the nations security today.

It's just sad. New democracies like the Czech Republic have more freedom than the one they are modelling it after. The US is rapidly turning into a police state.

yeah, its about time you fucking foriegners started sneaking into a different country.

[theking]

directfiesta

I dislike commercial tracking more than I do government tracking. The government has not sent me junk mail, or called me all hours of the day and night. Commercial enterprise does both. The government tracking has a greater purpose...catching criminals...and now "terrorists"...which are criminals.

[Backov]

Originally posted by 12clicks


yeah, its about time you fucking foriegners started sneaking into a different country.

Us Canadians just want your love! Love us!

[kenny]

Originally posted by theking


I don't live in Virginia so I am not aware of what is taking place on the highways of Virginia, but here in California, as far as I know they have always had the right to search your car, with probable cause, without obtaining a search warrant. I have never had my car searched and I do not personally know anyone that has had their car searched. I am aware that the city police where I live do stop and search cars and it is the typical, hippy, mj/crack using types and it pays off for them. The ones they stop and search usually have outstanding warrants, at the least, and more often than not are nailed on new charges

I am talking about a road check, where your driving down the road and come across a road block checking every automobile. Everybody driving that way has to stop and present their papers and become subject to search. Thats in the state of Virginia right now I am in Minnasota and have never had or heard of that happening in this state.

[Backov]

Originally posted by kenny


I am talking about a road check, where your driving down the road and come across a road block checking every automobile. Everybody driving that way has to stop and present their papers and become subject to search. Thats in the state of Virginia right now I am in Minnasota and have never had or heard of that happening in this state.

Yes, good probable cause there. Total abuse of the system.

Add to that the Patriot Act (set to become permanent) - where they can hold you without counsel or cause for as long as they want, or deport you (a citizen!) for being a member of a group they don't like.

Fucking Police State. This shit needs to be put into check.

[Fletch XXX]

'mobile chemical laboratories.'

why didnt the Regime show these to the UN Inspectors?

hahaha

that says something.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Backov


Yes, good probable cause there. Total abuse of the system.

Add to that the Patriot Act (set to become permanent) - where they can hold you without counsel or cause for as long as they want, or deport you (a citizen!) for being a member of a group they don't like.

Fucking Police State. This shit needs to be put into check.

The patriot act is a good idea. After 911 I think there needs to be new measures to help combat those terrorist cells. Besides that patriot act doesn't affect me, however road blocks do.

[theking]

Originally posted by kenny


I am talking about a road check, where your driving down the road and come across a road block checking every automobile. Everybody driving that way has to stop and present their papers and become subject to search. Thats in the state of Virginia right now I am in Minnasota and have never had or heard of that happening in this state.

Well..here in California the California Highway Parol periodically sets up road blocks at random locations and does the same thing in the guise of catching drunk drivers. They actually do this far less now than they have in earlier years. They ask for drivers license, registration and proof of insurance and if you do not have these items you will be cited. If they feel that they have probable cause they will search your car. If you have any warrants you will be arrested.

[Backov]

Originally posted by kenny


The patriot act is a good idea. After 911 I think there needs to be new measures to help combat those terrorist cells. Besides that patriot act doesn't affect me, however road blocks do.

You need to read a LOT more if you think the patriot act is a good idea. The US was built on a very well designed system of checks and balances. The Patriot Act (name designed so no one would vote against the piece of shit) - throws out one of the MOST important ones - due process.

Say how much you like the Patriot Act again when Bush declares pornographers terrorists and holds them without trial or counsel and then deports them (when they're CITIZENS!) - without trial or appeal. What part of that sounds right to you?

If it were all about killing/catching/punishing the bad guys it's fine. But when you give a government powers, it will ALWAYS abuse them. End of story. That's why there are checks and balances in the system to prevent that.

[theking]

Originally posted by Backov


Yes, good probable cause there. Total abuse of the system.

Add to that the Patriot Act (set to become permanent) - where they can hold you without counsel or cause for as long as they want, or deport you (a citizen!) for being a member of a group they don't like.

Fucking Police State. This shit needs to be put into check.

Well...you have convinced me. I will make a sign today (UP STANDING CITIZENS FEAR YOUR GOVERNMENT) and go downtown and do a one man protest. I wonder how many followers I will gather. On second thought I don't feel like being punched out today...so forget that.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by theking


Well..here in California the California Highway Parol periodically sets up road blocks at random locations and does the same thing in the guise of catching drunk drivers.

I can vouch for a few things here.

In new orleans, there are road traps as well, and have been going on since i was in high school, no doubt before that.

this is not new, in ANY STATE its being practiced.

[theking]

Originally posted by Backov


You need to read a LOT more if you think the patriot act is a good idea. The US was built on a very well designed system of checks and balances. The Patriot Act (name designed so no one would vote against the piece of shit) - throws out one of the MOST important ones - due process.

Say how much you like the Patriot Act again when Bush declares pornographers terrorists and holds them without trial or counsel and then deports them (when they're CITIZENS!) - without trial or appeal. What part of that sounds right to you?

If it were all about killing/catching/punishing the bad guys it's fine. But when you give a government powers, it will ALWAYS abuse them. End of story. That's why there are checks and balances in the system to prevent that.

There will not be any natural citizens deported. As for those that are not natural citizens, I see nothing wrong with revoking their citizenship. The government granted it, so why should the government not have the right to revoke it. The checks and balances are still in place. The Congress can, and has, reversed legislation. The Courts still rule over abuse of any laws passed by Congress or Presidential Excutive Orders. The sky is not falling.

[Backov]

Originally posted by theking


There will not be any natural citizens deported. As for those that are not natural citizens, I see nothing wrong with revoking their citizenship. The government granted it, so why should the government not have the right to revoke it. The checks and balances are still in place. The Congress can, and has, reversed legislation. The Courts still rule over abuse of any laws passed by Congress or Presidential Excutive Orders. The sky is not falling.

Ok, you seem to be so confident. Where is the DUE PROCESS for someone that comes under the influence of the Patriot Act? Where is their right to a speedy trial? An Attorney? Innocent before proven guilty?

[kenny]

Originally posted by Backov


You need to read a LOT more if you think the patriot act is a good idea. The US was built on a very well designed system of checks and balances. The Patriot Act (name designed so no one would vote against the piece of shit) - throws out one of the MOST important ones - due process.

Say how much you like the Patriot Act again when Bush declares pornographers terrorists and holds them without trial or counsel and then deports them (when they're CITIZENS!) - without trial or appeal. What part of that sounds right to you?

If it were all about killing/catching/punishing the bad guys it's fine. But when you give a government powers, it will ALWAYS abuse them. End of story. That's why there are checks and balances in the system to prevent that.

I understand where you are coming from with this. The thing about it is those terrorist are cloaking themselves behind all the freedoms and rights making it hard to prevent terror operations inside the borders. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by theking


I, nor anyone that I personally know, have lost any freedom that I am aware of.

you wouldn't even be aware of a big fat bastard stucking a 10 inch dick up your ass.

[theking]

Originally posted by Backov


Ok, you seem to be so confident. Where is the DUE PROCESS for someone that comes under the influence of the Patriot Act? Where is their right to a speedy trial? An Attorney? Innocent before proven guilty?

Well...you have convinced me. I will make a sign today (UP STANDING CITIZENS FEAR YOUR GOVERNMENT) and go downtown and do a one man protest. I wonder how many followers I will gather. On second thought I don't feel like being punched out today...so forget that.

[gothweb]

"It doesn't affect me" is an ignorant and escapist answer to the loss of a freedom. The freedom to do something exists, or doesn't, regardless of whether you ever try it.

[kenny]

I have never read the patriot bill, I have only heard from other sources and perspectives. Is the bill designed only to apply towards terroist activity or does it allow them to enforce its power on joe pot dealer?

[theking]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


you wouldn't even be aware of a big fat bastard stucking a 10 inch dick up your ass.

Go fuck your self lard ass...oh I am sorry you can't see your wee little dick over the fat gut. You are a nothing to me SleazyDream so rant on...just another board whore.

I will not have intercourse with pricks, drugged out kids, the plumb dumb, or lard asses.

[kenny]

Originally posted by gothweb
"It doesn't affect me" is an ignorant and escapist answer to the loss of a freedom. The freedom to do something exists, or doesn't, regardless of whether you ever try it.

Prehaps it was ignorant but my understanding was that it could only be enforced towards terrorist activity. Which in that case it doesn't effect me. However I never read the bill and didn't think that a door was left open allowing them to use it for any old reason.

[theking]

Originally posted by gothweb
"It doesn't affect me" is an ignorant and escapist answer to the loss of a freedom. The freedom to do something exists, or doesn't, regardless of whether you ever try it.

Specify the freedom that you are speaking about please?

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking


... in the guise of catching drunk drivers. They actually do this far less now than they have in earlier years. They ask for drivers license, registration and proof of insurance

We have road blocks also in Canada. That is fine, but the police:

- randomly stops a vehicule out of every 2 to 5 ( they create a " funnel" down to one line ). They do not stop all vehicules.

- driver of vehicule stopped is aked general questions ( ie: did you have a drink? how long ago?...) to see if the driver is or seems intoxicated . If they think he is, they ask the driver to blow in a alcohol detection device.

- The driver has the right to refuse, and only then can the policeman put him under arrest if he really looks drunk, but still no test...

- In no time, aside from arrest, will they ask your name or documents such as driver's licence.

The purpose of those road blocks are to catch drunken drivers, period.

[Backov]

Originally posted by kenny


Prehaps it was ignorant but my understanding was that it could only be enforced towards terrorist activity. Which in that case it doesn't effect me. However I never read the bill and didn't think that a door was left open allowing them to use it for any old reason.

The problem is that the definition is so broad it can apply to almost anyone.. Check this, one of the first links I found. (Sorry, pdf)

Has all of the salient points about the Patriot Act defined. A document written by the ACLU and some others (ACLU being one of the organizations that could be defined as domestic terrorists, btw)

http://www.bordc.org/Repeal.pdf

Cheers,
Backov

[kenny]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


I can vouch for a few things here.

In new orleans, there are road traps as well, and have been going on since i was in high school, no doubt before that.

this is not new, in ANY STATE its being practiced.

I don't think that it is right. Next thing they will want to do, is go house to house checking ID seeing if they can catch someone with outstanding warrents

[theking]

Originally posted by kenny


Prehaps it was ignorant but my understanding was that it could only be enforced towards terrorist activity. Which in that case it doesn't effect me. However I never read the bill and didn't think that a door was left open allowing them to use it for any old reason.

The way that I read it, it also can be used to catch the common criminal, and I do not have a problem with that and any honest, above board citizen should not have a problem with the Patriot Act either.

As I stated the Congress can, and has in the past, over turned legislation, but most usually they modify legislation and the Supreme Court is still the ultimate arbiter of what is legal and what is not legal for the government to do. If there are abuses, and there probably will be, these abuses will be dealt with.

[theking]

Originally posted by kenny


I don't think that it is right. Next thing they will want to do, is go house to house checking ID seeing if they can catch someone with outstanding warrents

The practice you are speaking about has been practiced all of my life and as I said here in California it is not practiced as much as it was in years past.

[Backov]

I challenge anyone to read the PDF I posted and come back and tell me in detail why it's not an absolutely horrible freedom-perverting piece of legislation. Hitler would have been proud of it.

[kenny]

Originally posted by theking


The way that I read it, it also can be used to catch the common criminal, and I do not have a problem with that and any honest, above board citizen should not have a problem with the Patriot Act either.

As I stated the Congress can, and has in the past, over turned legislation, but most usually they modify legislation and the Supreme Court is still the ultimate arbiter of what is legal and what is not legal for the government to do. If there are abuses, and there probably will be, these abuses will be dealt with.

Exactly its the abuse I am concerned about. There is a due process people are treated innocent until proven guilty. Another thing regurading this patriot bill being that the nature it is reguarding privacy, is that it should be restricted to units dealing strictly with terrorist activity. I don't think a redneck police department should be able to enforce activity via the patriot act.