Telstra Australia Playing BIG Brother

[Resolute]

Interesting article re Telsta, Australias largest Telco Playing BIG brother.

Substancially restrestricting access to newsgroups and e mail marketing

http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/sec...0273650,00.htm


They still want their $$'s at the end of the month but offer less for it !!!!

Other Aussie webmasters view of this article most welcomed.

[Resolute]

I really object to restricting access to the net in any way

[rowan]

From what I understand in this article, they're clamping down on spam. Why is that a problem? Are you a spammer?

[chupacabra]

huh... back when i used to bother w/ the erotica binary newsgroups a couple of years back, some of the heaviest spammers for binary posts were on bigpond subnets. i even remember writing a few abuse complaints to their abuse department. nice to actually see an ISP take steps to curtail rampant spamming through their service, i bet bigpond has been threatened by their own upstream provider over said spammers..

[Resolute]

Originally posted by chupacabra
huh... back when i used to bother w/ the erotica binary newsgroups a couple of years back, some of the heaviest spammers for binary posts were on bigpond subnets. i even remember writing a few abuse complaints to their abuse department. nice to actually see an ISP take steps to curtail rampant spamming through their service, i bet bigpond has been threatened by their own upstream provider over said spammers..

I am not a spammer just want the ability to post to the newsgroups and I cant !!! This Sucks !!

[chupacabra]

I am not a spammer just want the ability to post to the newsgroups and I cant !!! This Sucks !!

never said you were Resolute... just an observation that Bigpond has had a history of letting many spammers run rampant, and that it looks like they finally got smacked hard enough over it to force their hand to do something about it. spammers ruin things up for others often online, this is just another example..

[HairToStay]

I think they need to secure their routers before they worry about spam. They're very well known for their lack of security and abundance of compromised IPs

[SothArtist]

Originally posted by Resolute
Interesting article re Telsta, Australias largest Telco Playing BIG brother.

Substancially restrestricting access to newsgroups and e mail marketing

http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/sec...0273650,00.htm


They still want their $$'s at the end of the month but offer less for it !!!!

Other Aussie webmasters view of this article most welcomed.

Unfortunately a couple of years ago, a spammer had telstra disconnected from America for a while. I am not sure exactly how it works but I remember he sent out about 2 million emails that went to or via the states. What ever company they connect to in the states unplugged telstra so the rest of the customers couldn't surf. i was one of them. So one inconsiderate scrote fucked up everything for the rest of us. I can see why they take a hard line with spammer.

Thats the basic gist of what happened but as I say I don't know the hows or whys.

[Sausage]

Originally posted by SothArtist



Unfortunately a couple of years ago, a spammer had telstra disconnected from America for a while. I am not sure exactly how it works but I remember he sent out about 2 million emails that went to or via the states. What ever company they connect to in the states unplugged telstra so the rest of the customers couldn't surf. i was one of them. So one inconsiderate scrote fucked up everything for the rest of us. I can see why they take a hard line with spammer.

Thats the basic gist of what happened but as I say I don't know the hows or whys.

Hahaha. Wasn't me, but i think I know who that coulda been. its ok .. he's got his own spambox in the states now.

Telstra is a fucking joke. Even access through telstra is so badly overpriced it's stupid. Whats with these 3 gig/month caps on broadband? Already paying $110 per month for Adsl. Gotta do something about this prehistoric internet access we seem to have to stick with. Had a mate who got cable (3 gig/mo limit) and burned 7 gig. He got a bill for something like $1100 !

[SothArtist]

Originally posted by Sausage


Hahaha. Wasn't me, but i think I know who that coulda been. its ok .. he's got his own spambox in the states now.

Telstra is a fucking joke. Even access through telstra is so badly overpriced it's stupid. Whats with these 3 gig/month caps on broadband? Already paying $110 per month for Adsl. Gotta do something about this prehistoric internet access we seem to have to stick with. Had a mate who got cable (3 gig/mo limit) and burned 7 gig. He got a bill for something like $1100 !

LOL I had the 3 gig month plan on cable. Allways used more. Your right, they are insanely expensive.

[Resolute]

Yerr I am with you guys on this.
They are expensive. Their standard of delivery of services is at best poor and now they are restricting access to Newsgroups BUT they continue to charge TOP dollar for the privilege of being a Telstra Bigpond Broadband consumer. !! Interestingly they have a monopoly on Broadband in my area!!

They have us by the balls, well and truely

[Sausage]

Originally posted by Resolute
Yerr I am with you guys on this.
They are expensive. Their standard of delivery of services is at best poor and now they are restricting access to Newsgroups BUT they continue to charge TOP dollar for the privilege of being a Telstra Bigpond Broadband consumer. !! Interestingly they have a monopoly on Broadband in my area!!

They have us by the balls, well and truely

Not for long. If you can get iinet then you can get ADSL plans which are cheaper and only lower in speed once you pass your download limit.

What I find funny is that American internet companies were going to start limiting downloads and charging for downloading more, but there was such an outcry, and hints of lawsuits, that they didn't go ahead.

Here in Aus we know we cant do shit, so we put up with it. oh well. still like the exchange rates though

[Resolute]

Originally posted by Sausage


Not for long. If you can get iinet then you can get ADSL plans which are cheaper and only lower in speed once you pass your download limit.

What I find funny is that American internet companies were going to start limiting downloads and charging for downloading more, but there was such an outcry, and hints of lawsuits, that they didn't go ahead.

Here in Aus we know we cant do shit, so we put up with it. oh well. still like the exchange rates though

Thanks for info Sausage ! We are all to lay back downhere, there should be some sort of industry representation to Telstra in an attempt to get them to heel.. What do yu reckon ?

[Resolute]

Originally posted by Resolute


Thanks for info Sausage ! We are all to lay back downhere, there should be some sort of industry representation to Telstra in an attempt to get them to heel.. What do yu reckon ?

I will be contacting the head of Telstra BigPond broadband,

Justin Milne

tomorrow and suggest everyone else does the same.

As our coy are not a spammer it is a "Restraint of Trade"

[Sausage]

Originally posted by Resolute


Thanks for info Sausage ! We are all to lay back downhere, there should be some sort of industry representation to Telstra in an attempt to get them to heel.. What do yu reckon ?

The problem is that telstra acts as a reseller for many of the other companies. Until we get a decent telco here who has their own network (don't say optus), we will continue to battle with Telstra.

I don't see anything improving. Same situation as the banks. An international review of the australian banks said something like "The banks treat the australian public like battery hens". Our govt cant seem to regulate the banks, so how on earth will it regulate telstra.

Our law system is so weak that you wouldn't stand a chance.

[Sausage]

Originally posted by Resolute


As our coy are not a spammer it is a "Restraint of Trade"

Actually i forgot about that. Restraint of trade holds good power in the courts still here in Aus. Now thats an idea.

[Resolute]

Another related link on this issue ref newsgroups.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebu...0272947,00.htm

[iroc409]

yeah, our telco here is fucking awful too. not quite that bad on prices, but what they lack in "fairly reasonable" prices they make up in the worst customer service, ever.


they gave me 5mb of web space on their servers, and haven't stated a bandwidth limit. i'm gonna check that out, and if it's true, i'm going to start using it for paid tgp listings on large tgps. fuck them.

[Sausage]

Originally posted by iroc409
yeah, our telco here is fucking awful too. not quite that bad on prices, but what they lack in "fairly reasonable" prices they make up in the worst customer service, ever.


they gave me 5mb of web space on their servers, and haven't stated a bandwidth limit. i'm gonna check that out, and if it's true, i'm going to start using it for paid tgp listings on large tgps. fuck them.

Careful man. don't do paid listings. They will shut your account down quicker than it takes to crash a passenger jet with Mohammed Abdulah as the captain.

Tried that one, so don't waste a paid listing

[iroc409]

Originally posted by Sausage


Careful man. don't do paid listings. They will shut your account down quicker than it takes to crash a passenger jet with Mohammed Abdulah as the captain.

Tried that one, so don't waste a paid listing

how can they? if they specifically state that there is no bandwidth limit on my virtual account, then that seems like bad business. i'm doing some investigating first. probably get it in writing in person so they don't have cause to fuck me.


although they _have_ fucked me so many times on my dsl line i want to start shooting.

[Sausage]

Originally posted by iroc409



how can they? if they specifically state that there is no bandwidth limit on my virtual account, then that seems like bad business. i'm doing some investigating first. probably get it in writing in person so they don't have cause to fuck me.


although they _have_ fucked me so many times on my dsl line i want to start shooting.

Get a hun listing, redirect the traffic, and when he img src's you, redirect that to your isp ... say something critical ... like the news servers

just kidding. I would never suggest such a course of action.

[chupacabra]

Get a hun listing, redirect the traffic, and when he img src's you, redirect that to your isp ... say something critical ... like the news servers

haha, the new GFY weapon of choice..

[HardProfits]

Gday resolute

As I type this I am pissed as a fart on wayyyyyy to many Martinis in The BIG APPLE (NY)

Who cares about fuckin telstra?

Not me - never use em, and never will

I hope your getting your knob polished in Darwin old mate ;-)

BTW - Leanne says Gday

Hugs as always
Evil Dan

Shit - wheres me ring

[rowan]

If you can get Telstra DSL then you can most likely get comindico residential DSL via a reseller. It's also off the Telstra DSL network so you could probably change over without a tech needing to visit your house.

I have seen wholesale rates starting at $58/mo for an unlimited (100% - no limits) 64/256k link. I'd expect to see consumer pricing at $80 or better for unlimited in the near future.

Some resellers are also selling below cost with relatively low limits, and making up the difference on overage fees.

[Resolute]

Originally posted by rowan
If you can get Telstra DSL then you can most likely get comindico residential DSL via a reseller. It's also off the Telstra DSL network so you could probably change over without a tech needing to visit your house.

I have seen wholesale rates starting at $58/mo for an unlimited (100% - no limits) 64/256k link. I'd expect to see consumer pricing at $80 or better for unlimited in the near future.

Some resellers are also selling below cost with relatively low limits, and making up the difference on overage fees.

Thanks Rowan will check this out.

[Resolute]

Originally posted by HardProfits
Gday resolute

As I type this I am pissed as a fart on wayyyyyy to many Martinis in The BIG APPLE (NY)

Who cares about fuckin telstra?

Not me - never use em, and never will

I hope your getting your knob polished in Darwin old mate ;-)

BTW - Leanne says Gday

Hugs as always
Evil Dan

Shit - wheres me ring

OK 4 U ohhhh Evil One. With all you sophisticated technology/ size. You have the " Luxury" of not having to ....contend with Telstra.

I don't have a choice. I am compelled to.

Darwin was good got a couple of shoots in ...none of which were mine !!

Miss you, best wishes also to Leanne.

Resolute-Tim.

[Pointless]

yeah telstra sure does blow

the cheap bastards also count uploads into monthly bandwidth.

i went with ozemail adsl 4 gig monthly limit 90 bucks a month it will have to do for the moment

[Resolute]

Originally posted by Pointless
yeah telstra sure does blow

the cheap bastards also count uploads into monthly bandwidth.

i went with ozemail adsl 4 gig monthly limit 90 bucks a month it will have to do for the moment

How do you find ozemail - Pointless ? and why are you too young to be doing this shit

[Pointless]

no major problems with them so far. fingers crossed lol

[Resolute]

Originally posted by Pointless
no major problems with them so far. fingers crossed lol

No restrictions to Newsgroups ?

[Pointless]

No restrictions to Newsgroups ?

not sure havent even tried with ozemail account as yet.

my money would be on that there is, with the amount of spam thats been pumped through.

[Pointless]

Originally posted by uproared
We need some competition. Our government's IT department and the communications watchdog are fucking idiots - I doubt they have any idea about the internet.... They were probably just pulled out of transport or tourism departments. If the government was a little tougher - we wouldn't have to put up with Telstras shit. Perhaps once the government has sold off it's remaining portion of telstra it will begin acting on the issues -- governments shouldn't control utilties, it creates too much inefficiency.

Cheers

i dont live in the bush so i dont give a shit

sell it hopefully by doing so it can improve the situation

[AWW - Kevin]

Originally posted by SothArtist


LOL I had the 3 gig month plan on cable. Allways used more. Your right, they are insanely expensive.

same here...i am on the 5gig plan swithing to 10gig next month

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by uproared
Perhaps once the government has sold off it's remaining portion of telstra it will begin acting on the issues -- governments shouldn't control utilties, it creates too much inefficiency.

Cheers

haha you've got to be kidding. I want what you're smoking.
coporate monopolies wipe their asses with consumers.

[Resolute]

Originally posted by uproared
We need some competition. Our government's IT department and the communications watchdog are fucking idiots - I doubt they have any idea about the internet.... They were probably just pulled out of transport or tourism departments. If the government was a little tougher - we wouldn't have to put up with Telstras shit. Perhaps once the government has sold off it's remaining portion of telstra it will begin acting on the issues -- governments shouldn't control utilties, it creates too much inefficiency.

Cheers

Well put and I am of the same opinion uproared

Resolute
www.boybucks.net

[Sausage]

Fuck the war on IRAQ ... bring our troops back for the war on telstra.

[Aussie]

This is a true story - Based on Optus Cable

A few months ago my cable connection at the telephone pole somehow was loose and my modem could not connect to my isp.
Like this was not my fault, the damm optus line was getting a bad connection, so I called the techs.

Mind you this was on a Thursday I rang up telling Optus my cable was down, the quickest they could send out a tech was Monday Morning at 9:00am....So be it.

So Monday 9:00am came, no Tech ...Waiting ....Waiting...At 5:00pm he turned up, and get this he didn't have the equipment to fix the damm thing (That was a waste of a day). The tech said that he will arrange for it to be fixed on Tuesday morning...GOOD !

O.K like it's tuesday now at 1:00pm still no techs around so I ring up. Get this the tech who came out on Monday forgot to tell the Office to send out tech guys today....Bloody Idiots.

Now it's Wednesday Finally they came out in the Morning,fixed the cable. A two hour job !

So I rang up the Main Office and complained that I was almost 1 week down....They stated that in their terms and condition that if the connection goes down dip dip the are no reimbursements.

So I asked to talk to a higher authority,and was put thru and explained everything. They agreed to give me a $12 discount .

OPTUS


So check out http://www.broadbandchoice.com.au/

[Resolute]

Originally posted by Sausage
Fuck the war on IRAQ ... bring our troops back for the war on telstra.

lol Sausage

[Sausage]

Originally posted by Aussie
This is a true story - Based on Optus Cable

A few months ago my cable connection at the telephone pole somehow was loose and my modem could not connect to my isp.
Like this was not my fault, the damm optus line was getting a bad connection, so I called the techs.

Mind you this was on a Thursday I rang up telling Optus my cable was down, the quickest they could send out a tech was Monday Morning at 9:00am....So be it.

So Monday 9:00am came, no Tech ...Waiting ....Waiting...At 5:00pm he turned up, and get this he didn't have the equipment to fix the damm thing (That was a waste of a day). The tech said that he will arrange for it to be fixed on Tuesday morning...GOOD !

O.K like it's tuesday now at 1:00pm still no techs around so I ring up. Get this the tech who came out on Monday forgot to tell the Office to send out tech guys today....Bloody Idiots.

Now it's Wednesday Finally they came out in the Morning,fixed the cable. A two hour job !

So I rang up the Main Office and complained that I was almost 1 week down....They stated that in their terms and condition that if the connection goes down dip dip the are no reimbursements.

So I asked to talk to a higher authority,and was put thru and explained everything. They agreed to give me a $12 discount .
OPTUS
So check out http://www.broadbandchoice.com.au/

Lost faith in optus after they converted to limited downloads, and refused to service units or townhouses. Even offered to pay a tech an hourly rate, but no ... "its company policy not to service townhouses".

[Sausage]

HAHAHAHA !!!!
The ISP I do part time work for asked me to block all porn traffic through their system. I said they couldn't because it was near to impossible. So they get in a guy who charges $120 an hour, and 7 hours later he says he has blocked all porn thru their servers.

I am still uploading/downloading, and not one of my sites is affected. Fucking cracks me up. I should have charged that to sit on my ass and do nothing.

[Resolute]

Contacted Telstra today and they advised that a e mail went out to all Broadband users re getting Newsgropes chopped from the 16th of March for 5 days and their subsequent restrictions. On further investigation the Telstra Supervisor said they hadn't done this.

When pressed he said he would escalate the complaint.

Which probably means nothing will eventuate from this phone call.

I just want communication from them so we know where we are and what are the restrictions placed upon us, re postings is it 1 a day 3 a day or what. I don't have a crystal ball to know what their restrictions are.

so pissed