the "funny" is that so far everyone was considering avs as a safe business model and according to few the only that will remain....

Did they do it yet?

...well? :helpme

I will follow Lensmans lead also, but I'll bump it up
.........$200.00 bucks bro says your full of bullhookie!!! and time is ticking away:Graucho

I guess some fo you still remember maxcash's response why they do not allow you to link to join page directly. The hit on avs is not big surprise in reality, the question is what will follow....

Its like the Y2K bug all over again!

Will it or wont it.....

I suspect it wont

Actually Jim it is happening. Not that Visa is specifically saying they have to do it but one of the processors is pulling the plug on them tonite unless something changed in the last 6 hours. :(

It took how many posts to get a sensible one?

This is not the end of the world, it's another golden oppoertunity to make money. The AVS sites are full of people who steal pics and put up lots of crap sites that do us no good what so ever.

If they all disappear what will happen?
The surfer will stop surfing?
The surfer will have to pay for membership?

All that will happen is a few college kids will have to think a little bit deeper on how to get into the porn industry. This industry would be stronger not weaker if we lost the AVS sites.
:2 cents:

For him to win he has 1 hour left pst, actually I'm on est and according to my clock, He has already lost the bet!!! for
"several major AVS sites that will be cut off by most of the major billing companies per VISA at midnight tonight"

Tic Tock, Tic Tock,:) Even if it does happen, he lost the by the clock:winkwink:

ouch..! cold-blooded, no notice and on a friday night to boot... any other details kimmy, can you share details on who is effected, are we talking about midnight in cali, one hour from now..?

I assume the AVS's in question have known about this for a while

I am sure they will just move to other proccessors

Pay sites do it all the time.... dont they?

90% of my cash comes from AVS..... I bloody hope I am right

Anybody going to name names?

Why don't they allow it?

This is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board.

I was just surfing thru a couple that I was aware of and noticed that with one exception they've changed processing setups.

If regulating the webmasters is the issue here, I don't understand why Visa just wouldn't demand the registration of every AVS webmaster & collect their $750.

How would shutting them down benefit Visa? The AVSs already have our names, addresses etc. It wouldn't be hard to just make them charge us the fee like the 3rd party billers did.

(just made a sale while I was typing this btw. :winkwink: )

because you can link any type of content you want directly to sponsors join page (illegal and not) and charge the surfer promising the content. The sponsor cannot have control on this. That's pretty much the same with the avs model. AVS sites are getting reviewed of course. Now we have the following cases: some of them will give you credit for the signups generated before your site got approved. The possibility for the webmaster to change the page anytime he wants and put anything up is still open. Additionaly, as KK said AVS do not report their urls in VISA...

So why is it so bad?

The AVS sites do not have lots of stolen content in?
It is not the easiest way into the market for those of little talent?
Surfers will stop surfing because of the demise of the AVS model?

There are some good creditable guys making a buck in the AVS system, but the majority is poor at best. This reflects badly on us as an industry.

I keep saying this.
"The only thing thing that will hurt this industry is if the surfer stops looking at porn"
Not much chance of that happening.

I see a lot changed their names to ACCESS VERIFICATION SYSTEMS rather then adult verification or age verification

I don't think it matters what they call themselves. At the end of the day Visa wants to see where the sales are coming from and under the current system they do not see that.

I'd bet that the processors who are continuing with AVS are working on plans for Visa right now, detailing how they can work with the AVS's to facilitate what Visa wants -- it should be a simple system since the AVS's already know what urls are sending them traffic, since they collect them upon submission by the webmasters.

The only place I can see a hitch is that it makes it impossible for Visa to approve or disapprove those urls prior to sales being made on them and would be a hell of a lot of work to police on Visa's part.

Haha, he must be made because avs pays for his lunch or something.

interesting to know if this is VISA US issue or all regions of VISA

charly what are you talking about? If visa's managers start following your way of thought, this industry will die. Free site have more stolen content than avs, tgps do have stolen content, tons of paysites do have stolen content? Does this means their models should go offline as well?

AVS is a major part of this industry, many honest webmasters work on them. Most of them are much older than me and this income feeds their families and allows their kids to study.

I do not want to see it going nowhere.

Well it is 2:30 am here now, so unless Masturbationman can show us right now several major AVS sites that "HAVE BEEN" cut off by most of the major billing companies, then HE HAS LOST the bet, and it is time to pay up !!!!

What happens later in the days or hours to come is NOT relevent to the bet, it will however be interresting to see the outcome,

The bet has ended Masturbationman...:winkwink:

Eh, you know how it goes, if US starts it then the rest will follow... if it's International then usually the US will follow

I can see the point of the issues that Visa has with it, I am just not sure whether it will turn out to be something major or if it can be handled easily enough to make it a moot point --

Wow I didnt know they give out and Xbox here.

I only know of one of the major Third party processors that is not doing any more avs sites ...

WTF are you talking about Fletch? Visa can't get rid of TGP's because there's no processing involved for a TGP....they're FREE.

It would really suck to see AVS webmasters take a hit over something like this. Alot of webmasters do AVS exclusively simply because they feel its the responsible thing to do. Softcore tours and lots of feeder sites that can only be seen by adults.

Hmmmm.

The dead line has come and gone. I still don't see any AVS's that have shut down.

Guess it was really nothing but a drama queen who started this thread. LOL! Oh well. We all like a little attention every now and then.:)

Hugs,
Danielle

The time has past and it looks like you owe the following.

Me................$200.00
Lensman........$100.00
Pornwolw.........$50.00


The three of us would never welch on a fair bet, so I would hope you would not either.

cp sites using avs?

"A senior Scotland Yard source quoted in today's Daily Mirror: "The forecast is that the Visa list may top 100,000 alone. Together with Mastercard and American Express customers, plus the other major credit card providers, the projection is the total number of British men who have been accessing these sites will exceed 250,000."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29043.html


It appears that the web pedo "site" these punters originally visited
was, in fact an Adult Verification Service, (one of many such sites)
called "AVS" where you give your credit card, they give you an ID
number and that allows you to access to various porn web sites,
numbered in *thousands* Now, not all the web sites this service
granted access to were at all illegal, and it seems that the legal
sites (the vast majority in fact) will have directed their visitors,
to the offending "Landslide inc" AVS web site, for payment and/or
authentication to gain access to these *adult* porn sites. IE: It was
the adult site they visited in the first place, and they went to
Landslide simply to get a password to go in there to view legal
images.
But as a result of this the police now have the credit card number,
and the name and address of such people, and could soon be paying them
a visit to seize their computers and search their houses, just because
they visited adult web siites and are innocent of any
wrongdoing.......

Who turned into a pumpkin?

I'd have a look and see who's processing certain avs sites now.

So whats the deal with this then? Is it bullshit or what?
Most of our income comes from AVS right now so thats not gonna be good for us..........

Our sales look fine right now and we haven't had any news from our AVS system!

kimmy, care to spell all of this out for those of us who don't keep up w/ the whole AVS thing? i wouldn't even know where to start looking, nor who used to process for who. has there indeed been an upheaval in this arena of the industry..?

On Monday, not before. I want to hear that it's done from the person I speak with at one of the processors' before I say a word.

I'm sure you can understand that -- if they perhaps didn't get them all or maybe even let some remain for one reason or another then it wouldn't be fair to the ones that may still be there or to their resellers to cause any sort of panic or issues for anyone that might not be affected.

That's a good point. CCBill & IBill have to review new sites when a webmaster registers, obviously. But does Visa check out every new site an already registered webmaster adds?

Premium AVSs would be built more often than paysites...but it still seems like a ton of work, if that's the case.

Bump.

c'mon kimmy, its monday... please spell this out for those of us who don't keep up w/ AVS at all... any big news in the industry is going to have a ripple effect in other arena's certainly... has the sky fallen yet again..?

I was waiting for this news to hit.

Heard it 2 weeks ago

Didnt want to be the bearer of bad news, but this is True AVS may be screwed by Visa.

well?