New TGP - GoFuckYourself.com

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 05:09 AM

I launched a new TGP..... http://www.x-spider.com
It's clean, all links open in the same window, no skimming (although i track links to the gals) no blind links, Trade only from toplist and textlink that says clearly it's a trade "Get more top galleries here" and "More galleries" so any trade should be very productive.
If anyone wants to setup a trade please email me at webmaster[at]x-spider.com
The site is new so it doesn't have any traffic yet but i will send back once the traffic is rising, and i'll even double the amount you have sent me if i can.

Thx,
X-Spider.

Ps: comments on design etc... are welcome!

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 05:10 AM

Hooray! A new TGP! Let's all rejoice!

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Hooray! A new TGP! Let's all rejoice!

Another one who just HAS to input useless comments.

candyflip · 04-11-2003, 06:55 AM

There's a traffic trades and gallery request forum here. Use them.

Gman.357 · 04-11-2003, 07:01 AM

Just so you know, you probably won't get all that many bookmarks on the site (at least not enough to keep up with your trades), so eventually people are just gonna stop sending.

I'd think about using a script.

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

Another one who just HAS to input useless comments.

Useless?
You put up a site exactly the same as a few hundred thousand ones already out there, have no traffic, and then go asking for trades in the forum not named "traffic trades and gallery requests". If anything, you are useless, as is your site.

iwantchixx · 04-11-2003, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Just so you know, you probably won't get all that many bookmarks on the site (at least not enough to keep up with your trades), so eventually people are just gonna stop sending.

I'd think about using a script.

100 clean hits is better than 25,000 scripted garbage

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Useless?
You put up a site exactly the same as a few hundred thousand ones already out there, have no traffic, and then go asking for trades in the forum not named "traffic trades and gallery requests". If anything, you are useless, as is your site.

Guess you didn't see the "ps: comments on design etc... are welcome!"
But you got the biggest alright?
You sir are someone that posts pretty useless replys to my post.

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Just so you know, you probably won't get all that many bookmarks on the site (at least not enough to keep up with your trades), so eventually people are just gonna stop sending.

I'd think about using a script.

Acutally that site has got 2k uni right now with 1.5k bookmarks. For the moment i am oversending all my trades. I use a script by the way.

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

Guess you didn't see the "ps: comments on design etc... are welcome!"
But you got the biggest alright?
You sir are someone that posts pretty useless replys to my post.

Ah, so the entire post was about the single "PS:" line at the end? I'd say that's a bunch of bullshit. It almost seems like newbies grow more stupid every day.

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Ah, so the entire post was about the single "PS:" line at the end? I'd say that's a bunch of bullshit. It almost seems like newbies grow more stupid every day.

You little fuck can't get of my back huh? The entire post isn't about that but it is in the post. Newbie? You screwed up asshole, i've been in thiz biz for a decent amount of time and just wanted to try something new to me. No get of my fucking back. If someone wants to post something you don't like bang your head against the wall or whatever but stop being an ass, because that's the one thing you are good at.

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

You little fuck can't get of my back huh? The entire post isn't about that but it is in the post. Newbie? You screwed up asshole, i've been in thiz biz for a decent amount of time and just wanted to try something new to me. No get of my fucking back. If someone wants to post something you don't like bang your head against the wall or whatever but stop being an ass, because that's the one thing you are good at.

You've been in the biz for a decent amount of time? Only makes things worse. A dumb newbie without original ideas that can't read is one thing, but if you really are an experienced webmaster you apparently take stupidity to a whole new level.
Newbie and mildly retarded or experienced and severely retarded, just take your pick.

Now, excuse me while I go laugh my ass off at this.

Gman.357 · 04-11-2003, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

100 clean hits is better than 25,000 scripted garbage

I'd rather a site that did 25,000 than 100, but that's just me. I guess I'm good at selling garbage.

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

You've been in the biz for a decent amount of time? Only makes things worse. A dumb newbie without original ideas that can't read is one thing, but if you really are an experienced webmaster you apparently take stupidity to a whole new level.
Newbie and mildly retarded or experienced and severely retarded, just take your pick.

Now, excuse me while I go laugh my ass off at this.

Laugh all you want little prick, the people managing that part are actually doing a pretty good job at it.
I've been in the biz for a descent amount of time yes but i'm NOT (unlike you) someone that pretents to know it all, trying to build a TGP that is based on productivity only is new to me. But i guess you know everything already huh?
I didn't say this was a new concept at all, i said it was NEW TO ME. Open you eyes or learn to read.
Butr like always there has to be one fuck that has to take something totally down and start this shit, like you.

Just an asshole in general. A normal person with nothing to do. Someone that is so frustrated in his social life that he gets all his frustration out on a board. Some little kid (or a grown person with the mind of one) that is amusing himself.
You take your pick.

Ps: i'm not gonna waste any more time on you, your not worth it.

Did you get the ps this time?

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

I'd rather a site that did 25,000 than 100, but that's just me. I guess I'm good at selling garbage.

I see your point but what i'm trying to do is to build the TGP very productive. I've seen thousands of TGP's with 20 - 60% productivity. I wanna try to make the 150% mark and still build up a descent amount of traffic on it. I aim at bookmarkers (good gelleries, no new window, etc...) and hope that they will pull up those trades.

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

I see your point but what i'm trying to do is to build the TGP very productive. I've seen thousands of TGP's with 20 - 60% productivity. I wanna try to make the 150% mark and still build up a descent amount of traffic on it. I aim at bookmarkers (good gelleries, no new window, etc...) and hope that they will pull up those trades.

Tiny lesson: Growing large based on bookmarkers with a generic mainstream (non-niche) TGP is nearly impossible nowadays, simply because you literally have thousands of competing sites, many of which have been around for years and/or offer way more than you do.
There are several things you could do about that, like trade traffic (more potential traffic), focus on a non-saturated niche (more potential for bookmarkers), offer something extra (could be huge archives, free movies, funny pictures archive, whatever - give more potential for bookmarkers) or just use your creativity.
However, what you are doing now has nothing extra compared to the competition, while much of the competition does have extra things compared to you. So, getting a large number of bookmarkers will be nearly impossible.
Just compare it to driving a taxi in New York - it'll never make you rich, since there is too much competition. You need something extra/original to stand a chance.

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Tiny lesson: Growing large based on bookmarkers with a generic mainstream (non-niche) TGP is nearly impossible nowadays, simply because you literally have thousands of competing sites, many of which have been around for years and/or offer way more than you do.
There are several things you could do about that, like trade traffic (more potential traffic), focus on a non-saturated niche (more potential for bookmarkers), offer something extra (could be huge archives, free movies, funny pictures archive, whatever - give more potential for bookmarkers) or just use your creativity.
However, what you are doing now has nothing extra compared to the competition, while much of the competition does have extra things compared to you. So, getting a large number of bookmarkers will be nearly impossible.
Just compare it to driving a taxi in New York - it'll never make you rich, since there is too much competition. You need something extra/original to stand a chance.

Now, that's what i call a productive reply.
Good points you got here, i like the free movie idea. I could add a free movie, cut it up in pieces and update a new piece every day. I thought that the fact that te visitor is 100% sure to go to a gallery when he clicks that link was gonna do 50% of the trick. Alot of TGP's use skimming wich results in non-productive trades and traffic (i think), in other words, a waste of bandwith.
Anyway, i'm back to brainstorming right now to find something to add to it that is original.

Pappa · 04-11-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

Guess you didn't see the "ps: comments on design etc... are welcome!"
But you got the biggest alright?
You sir are someone that posts pretty useless replys to my post.

And you sir are someone that posts pretty usless replys to those that posts pretty usless replys to your posts

Calling people "screwed up asshole" and telling them to stop being an ass when in fact you act no different, doesn't exacltly help you get any meaningfull discussion going now does it? Just ignore the shit and reply to those that try to help perhaps......

Don't know much about TGPs when it comes to running one and traffic trades etc, but I've bookmarked it and will submit galleries to you every now and then hehe

Good luck with your TGP

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by Pappa

And you sir are someone that posts pretty usless replys to those that posts pretty usless replys to your posts

Calling people "screwed up asshole" and telling them to stop being an ass when in fact you act no different, doesn't exacltly help you get any meaningfull discussion going now does it? Just ignore the shit and reply to those that try to help perhaps......

Don't know much about TGPs when it comes to running one and traffic trades etc, but I've bookmarked it and will submit galleries to you every now and then hehe

Good luck with your TGP

Thx

I'll keep it in mind, you are right all the way.

Gman.357 · 04-11-2003, 09:03 AM

Not to mention, you said your bookmarks are good now... but once you start to diversify the traffic (and you will), by seeking out new trades, etc... that high bookmark ratio vs. daily uniques is inevitably going to get worse. And it will be harder to satisfy your trade partners and manage your outgoing traffic.

Of course, this is all speculation based on personal past experience. I have 50 free sites, 10 TGP's, and 5 paysites.

But who knows, your experience may vary.

Good luck with it.

XSpider · 04-11-2003, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Not to mention, you said your bookmarks are good now... but once you start to diversify the traffic (and you will), by seeking out new trades, etc... that high bookmark ratio vs. daily uniques is inevitably going to get worse. And it will be harder to satisfy your trade partners and manage your outgoing traffic.

Of course, this is all speculation based on personal past experience. I have 50 free sites, 10 TGP's, and 5 paysites.

But who knows, your experience may vary.

Good luck with it.

Thx! I'll probably get burned but i'm sure gonna keep trying. The thing is, i wanna try a TGP but not another one that is skimming like hell, send surfers to a link they didn't wanna go to in the first place but it's hard to get that traffic going this way. But what's better? A 10k uni very productive TGP or a 50k uni TGP with useless traffic? I'm gonna aim for the first one.

Snazzy · 04-11-2003, 09:23 AM

Even if you decided not to use trades on a tgp it is very difficult to gain loyal bookmarkers.

I recently setup www.moviecocktails.com. I am using no trades and get about 500 bookmarkers a day. I didn't even really do anything for that either. Yes it's crap traffic in terms of numbers. The TGP market is over saturated.

Trading in my opinion is useless. While it can generate big traffic it pisses off the surfers. I had no idea how much until I tried surfing a few sites myself. You have to click click click until you finally get taken to the gallery.

Even if you buy traffic it's mostly from other people's useless trades. Money down the toilet. The only reason I run my TGP's is for a hobby. It's not really worth it in my opinion. Loads of crap traffic that does not convert they way you hope it will.

Exxxotica · 04-11-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Hooray! A new TGP! Let's all rejoice!

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

Now, that's what i call a productive reply.
Good points you got here, i like the free movie idea. I could add a free movie, cut it up in pieces and update a new piece every day. I thought that the fact that te visitor is 100% sure to go to a gallery when he clicks that link was gonna do 50% of the trick. Alot of TGP's use skimming wich results in non-productive trades and traffic (i think), in other words, a waste of bandwith.
Anyway, i'm back to brainstorming right now to find something to add to it that is original.

You didn't get it. I'll give a slightly more detailed explanation, and combine that with the explanation for my first post.

There are hundreds of thousands of TGPs around at this time. Inspired by the success of sites like The Hun and such, thousands of webmasters have aped the concept, filling the internet with many possible variations on the TGP concept.

Right now, building a new standard TGP will not lead to great amounts of bookmarkers, simply because many - if not most - surfers have already bookmarked TGPs, or can find one in a matter of minutes.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, there are also many thousands of "clean" TGPs. That simple fact negates your assumption that the lack of skimming will result in great amounts of bookmarkers.
Sure, you'll get some - if you update with a lot of new galleries each and every day - but you will not become one of the "big guys" if you stick to the standard TGP formula. The combination of fierce competition, a saturated market and many big, established players ensures that.
Now, on top of that, not trading will greatly reduce your chances of getting lots of fresh visitors. Thus, it will limit your growth severely.
The combination of all these things makes it almost impossible for a new standard TGP to make decent money. And, on top of that, it will only get worse, since hundreds of TGPs are popping up each and every day. The TGP market is not improving.

There are several things which you can do to gain an edge.
One would be to focus on a non-saturated niche. There are still niches in which you can make decent money, and even have a chance at becoming the market leader.
Another would be to make your site "special" to the surfer. However, that includes a lot more than just putting up a free movie each day. It requires doing something original, new or unusual. This could be adding a whole new dimension to your TGP with different types of (porn or non-porn) content (like games, stories, a community, etc), or creating something else that manages to get the surfer's attention.
Just adding a single, small thing will not make a huge difference, though.

Something to think about: a new, single, non-niched TGP without original ideas will not be a good source of income at this point in time, but it will take away large chunks of your time and energy. So, if you make one, you are in effect hurting your own future business, by creating something without lots of growth potential.

My first post was based on the annoyance of seeing yet another mainstream generic TGP, which lacks the creativity required for actually adding something to the industry - and all that in the wrong forum.

foreverjason · 04-11-2003, 11:28 AM

interesting lol....

Snazzy · 04-11-2003, 11:48 AM

So let's take this argument to the next step - what niche's have not yet been explored on TGP's?

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Snazzy
So let's take this argument to the next step - what niche's have not yet been explored on TGP's?

You don't seriously expect me to tell you that, right?

SomeCreep · 04-11-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Snazzy
So let's take this argument to the next step - what niche's have not yet been explored on TGP's?

shit eating gay midgets ...have yet to see that

foe · 04-11-2003, 08:22 PM

what is this world comming to

Libertine · 04-11-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Snazzy
So let's take this argument to the next step - what niche's have not yet been explored on TGP's?

Btw, I said non-saturated, not non-explored. If the competition is weak, or there is very little competition, the market isn't saturated either.

Stashi · 04-11-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

You didn't get it. I'll give a slightly more detailed explanation, and combine that with the explanation for my first post.

There are hundreds of thousands of TGPs around at this time. Inspired by the success of sites like The Hun and such, thousands of webmasters have aped the concept, filling the internet with many possible variations on the TGP concept.

Right now, building a new standard TGP will not lead to great amounts of bookmarkers, simply because many - if not most - surfers have already bookmarked TGPs, or can find one in a matter of minutes.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, there are also many thousands of "clean" TGPs. That simple fact negates your assumption that the lack of skimming will result in great amounts of bookmarkers.
Sure, you'll get some - if you update with a lot of new galleries each and every day - but you will not become one of the "big guys" if you stick to the standard TGP formula. The combination of fierce competition, a saturated market and many big, established players ensures that.
Now, on top of that, not trading will greatly reduce your chances of getting lots of fresh visitors. Thus, it will limit your growth severely.
The combination of all these things makes it almost impossible for a new standard TGP to make decent money. And, on top of that, it will only get worse, since hundreds of TGPs are popping up each and every day. The TGP market is not improving.

There are several things which you can do to gain an edge.
One would be to focus on a non-saturated niche. There are still niches in which you can make decent money, and even have a chance at becoming the market leader.
Another would be to make your site "special" to the surfer. However, that includes a lot more than just putting up a free movie each day. It requires doing something original, new or unusual. This could be adding a whole new dimension to your TGP with different types of (porn or non-porn) content (like games, stories, a community, etc), or creating something else that manages to get the surfer's attention.
Just adding a single, small thing will not make a huge difference, though.

Something to think about: a new, single, non-niched TGP without original ideas will not be a good source of income at this point in time, but it will take away large chunks of your time and energy. So, if you make one, you are in effect hurting your own future business, by creating something without lots of growth potential.

My first post was based on the annoyance of seeing yet another mainstream generic TGP, which lacks the creativity required for actually adding something to the industry - and all that in the wrong forum.

Very informative post here. Thanks.

BTW as for the TGP in question, yes its a very clean and basic design, actually its a decent design. However Punkworld is right when he said it would take alot of your time for little to no income. If thats fine with you, or if this is just a hobby as nasty mentioned, then go ahaid and build on it ... if your looking to make money off this, dont bother.

CumSensei · 04-12-2003, 02:12 AM

x-spider contact me I run www.cumdojo.com who have about 16K a day non blind linked...I love to trade with your site.

If you can trade 100 hits a day.

KnightMare · 04-12-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by XSpider

Another one who just HAS to input useless comments.

Another one who just HAS to input useless TGPs.

XSpider · 04-12-2003, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by KnightMare

Another one who just HAS to input useless TGPs.

Let me decide how useless it was once it's running. We'll talk later.

strobi · 04-12-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

100 clean hits is better than 25,000 scripted garbage

SGS · 04-12-2003, 10:38 AM

I only clicked 3 links before I found a dialer...

04-11-2003, 05:09 AM	#1
XSpider Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 356	New TGP I launched a new TGP..... http://www.x-spider.com It's clean, all links open in the same window, no skimming (although i track links to the gals) no blind links, Trade only from toplist and textlink that says clearly it's a trade "Get more top galleries here" and "More galleries" so any trade should be very productive. If anyone wants to setup a trade please email me at webmaster[at]x-spider.com The site is new so it doesn't have any traffic yet but i will send back once the traffic is rising, and i'll even double the amount you have sent me if i can. Thx, X-Spider. Ps: comments on design etc... are welcome! __________________ XSpider

04-11-2003, 05:10 AM	#2
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Hooray! A new TGP! Let's all rejoice! __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

04-11-2003, 06:55 AM	#4
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	There's a traffic trades and gallery request forum here. Use them. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

04-11-2003, 07:01 AM	#5
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Just so you know, you probably won't get all that many bookmarks on the site (at least not enough to keep up with your trades), so eventually people are just gonna stop sending. I'd think about using a script. __________________ Ouch.

04-11-2003, 09:03 AM	#20
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Not to mention, you said your bookmarks are good now... but once you start to diversify the traffic (and you will), by seeking out new trades, etc... that high bookmark ratio vs. daily uniques is inevitably going to get worse. And it will be harder to satisfy your trade partners and manage your outgoing traffic. Of course, this is all speculation based on personal past experience. I have 50 free sites, 10 TGP's, and 5 paysites. But who knows, your experience may vary. Good luck with it. __________________ Ouch.

04-11-2003, 09:23 AM	#22
Snazzy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 480	Even if you decided not to use trades on a tgp it is very difficult to gain loyal bookmarkers. I recently setup www.moviecocktails.com. I am using no trades and get about 500 bookmarkers a day. I didn't even really do anything for that either. Yes it's crap traffic in terms of numbers. The TGP market is over saturated. Trading in my opinion is useless. While it can generate big traffic it pisses off the surfers. I had no idea how much until I tried surfing a few sites myself. You have to click click click until you finally get taken to the gallery. Even if you buy traffic it's mostly from other people's useless trades. Money down the toilet. The only reason I run my TGP's is for a hobby. It's not really worth it in my opinion. Loads of crap traffic that does not convert they way you hope it will. __________________ Snazzy <font size="1"> SnazzyTGP.com Visit this site now or I'll kill you</font>

04-11-2003, 11:28 AM	#25
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	interesting lol....

04-11-2003, 11:48 AM	#26
Snazzy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 480	So let's take this argument to the next step - what niche's have not yet been explored on TGP's? __________________ Snazzy <font size="1"> SnazzyTGP.com Visit this site now or I'll kill you</font>

04-11-2003, 08:22 PM	#29
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	what is this world comming to

04-12-2003, 02:12 AM	#32
CumSensei Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,986	x-spider contact me I run www.cumdojo.com who have about 16K a day non blind linked...I love to trade with your site. If you can trade 100 hits a day. __________________ CumSensei say: SEO traffic makes big boom boom.

04-12-2003, 10:38 AM	#36
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	I only clicked 3 links before I found a dialer... __________________ See sig...