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bhutocracy · 04-09-2003, 06:58 PM

Shock, disbelief at Saddam's defeat
April 10 2003, 6:33 AM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: Among Arabs today, there was shock and disbelief, hope that other oppressive regimes would crumble but also disappointment that Saddam Hussein did not give them the taste of victory he had promised.

"Why did he fall that way? Why so fast?" said Yemeni homemaker Umm Ahmed, tears streaming down her face. "He's a coward. Now I feel sorry for his people."

As soon as word about Saddam's apparent end got out, Arabs clustered at television sets in shop windows, coffee shops, kitchens and offices to watch the astounding pictures of US troops for the first time ever overwhelm an Arab capital.

Some turned off their sets in disgust at scenes from Baghdad of jubilant crowds celebrating the arrival of US troops, feeling betrayed and misled.

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo. "Now no one believes (Arab satellite TV channel) al-Jazeera anymore."

Mohammed al-Shahhal, a 49-year-old teacher in Lebanon's northern city of Tripoli, said the scenes reminded him of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Those who applauded the collapse of Lenin's statue for some Pepsi and hamburgers felt the hunger later on and regretted what they did," said al-Shahhal.

However, Tannous Basil, a 47-year-old cardiologist in the southern Lebanese port city of Sidon, said Saddam's regime was a "dictatorship and had to go."

"I don't like the idea of having the Americans here but we asked for it," he said. "Why don't we see the Americans going to Finland, for example? They come here because our area is filled with dictatorships like Saddam's."

Tarek al-Absi, a Yemeni university professor, was hopeful Saddam's end presaged more regional democracy.

"This is a message for the Arab regimes, and could be the beginning of transformation in the Arab region," al-Absi said. "Without the honest help of the Western nations, the reforms will not take place in these countries."

The overwhelming emotion for many Arabs was one of disbelief, tinged for some with disappointment after weeks of hearing Saddam's government pledge a "great victory" or fight to the death against "infidel invaders."

"We Arabs are clever only at talking," Haitham Baghdadi, 45, in Damascus, Syria, said bitterly. "Where are the Iraqi weapons? Where are the Iraqi soldiers?"

Many resorted to conspiracy theories to explain the rapidly collapsing era of Saddam.

"There must have been treason," Ahmed Salem Batmira, an Omani political analyst.

"It seems there was some deal. Saddam has put himself ahead of his people," said Yemeni government employee Saad Salem el-Faqih, 50.

Three men having tea and smoking in a coffee shop in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, were unsettled as they watched the television - even though they said they were against Saddam and felt sorry for the long suffering Iraqis.

"But I can't say that I'm happy about what's going on because these are non-Muslim forces that have gone in and I hope they will not stay," said Mohammed al-Sakkaf, a 58-year-old businessman.

Many said they were disturbed by "provocative" images of US troops lounging in Saddam's palaces or draping the US flag around the head of Saddam statue.

"Liberation is nobler than that," said Walid Abdul-Rahman, one of the three Saudis. "They should not be so provocative."

"They (Iraqis) haven't yet buried their dead and they are honouring the American flag," said an angry Buthaina Jado'n, 27, a Jordanian Arabic-language teacher. "They haven't seen yet what the Americans will do to them after this; the war has just began."

Wissam Fakhoury, 28, another Jordanian furious at the sight of the US flag briefly on Saddam's statue, said: "I spit on them (Iraqis). I was so disappointed."

"Do those crowds who are saluting the Americans believe that the United States will let them live better?" asked Fakhoury, a hotel receptionist. "They (Americans) will loot their oil and control their resources, leaving them nothing."

Bahraini physician Hassan Fakhro, 62, said he was saddened by the images.

"Whatever I'm seeing is very painful because although Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he represented some kind of Arab national resistance to the foreign invaders - the Americans and the British," said Fakhro.

After an anti-war march in Khartoum, Sudan, lawyer Ali Al-Sayed said US troops should not misinterpret the relief as an invitation to stay.

"Those people under oppression will not have any national feeling, so they will be happy to see someone removing a dictator and liberating them," said al-Sayed. "But the moment they feel free and liberated, they will not tolerate a foreign presence."

His sentiments resonated around a region where Iraq is far from the only place that lacks democracy.

Abdel Khaleq Abdulla, a political analyst in the United Arab Emirates, said many Arabs, plagued by a sense of powerlessness, will feel depressed at first, despite Saddam's crimes.

"For a while, there will be a sense of resignation, letdown, that this is one more (Arab) defeat," he said. "But what was defeated primarily in Baghdad is Arab oppression, the one party system which was unable to defend its country for more than three weeks, and its capital for more than 48 hours.

"What was defeated in this battle was not the Arabs but the regime of oppression," he said.

Arab leaders were quick to stress that Iraq should have a sovereign government.

"Jordan cannot, naturally, recognise an occupying power," Jordanian Foreign Minister Marwan Muasher told the al-Jazeera satellite TV network. "The Iraqi people should rule themselves."

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, another uncomfortable US ally in the war, said the quickest way to achieve stability now would be for US troops to withdraw. "Iraqis must take control over of their country as fast as possible," Mubarak told Egypt's official news agency, MENA.

Bahrain's king, Sheik Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, called for "Iraq's right to self determination," the official Bahrain News Agency reported.

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud, looking upset at a news conference, called for a quick end to Iraq's "occupation."

In a rare departure from diplomacy, Saud responded to a question about Arab anger toward the United States with: "I don't want to talk about anger if you don't mind today."

AP

JeremySF · 04-09-2003, 07:02 PM

Leadership in all the other Arab countries are SHITTIN in their pants right now!

The last thing they want is a free, liberated Iraq, because then their people may rise up against their despotic asses.

Fletch XXX · 04-09-2003, 07:03 PM

think theyll make alcohol legal?

JeremySF · 04-09-2003, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
think theyll make alcohol legal?

Remember what that one Iraqi guy said when asked what he hoped the Americans would bring? "Democracy, whiskey, sexy". LOL

rooster · 04-09-2003, 07:18 PM

Porn is on the way Abdul

Fletch XXX · 04-09-2003, 07:20 PM

i bet some of them iraqi girls got some nice stuff under them robes.

time to start mixing blood again boys.

eroswebmaster · 04-09-2003, 07:23 PM

OMG those poor people...they now have to question their core beliefs...they now know that religious and political leaders will lie...poor poor people.

NetRodent · 04-09-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
think theyll make alcohol legal?

There's a brand of Iraqi beer, so I don't think alcohol is illegal.

mike503 · 04-09-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

There's a brand of Iraqi beer, so I don't think alcohol is illegal.

nah that's just rusted pipes

Fletch XXX · 04-09-2003, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

There's a brand of Iraqi beer, so I don't think alcohol is illegal.

all beer has alcohol in it, even non alcoholic beer, question is HOW MUCH.

people who are 'allergic' to caffeine still cant drink decaf coffee, it still has caffeine in it.

its all about how much.

NetRodent · 04-09-2003, 07:31 PM

Shok · 04-09-2003, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies,"

well duh

Exxxotica · 04-09-2003, 09:16 PM

04-09-2003, 06:58 PM	#1
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	interesting arab reactions Shock, disbelief at Saddam's defeat April 10 2003, 6:33 AM Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: Among Arabs today, there was shock and disbelief, hope that other oppressive regimes would crumble but also disappointment that Saddam Hussein did not give them the taste of victory he had promised. "Why did he fall that way? Why so fast?" said Yemeni homemaker Umm Ahmed, tears streaming down her face. "He's a coward. Now I feel sorry for his people." As soon as word about Saddam's apparent end got out, Arabs clustered at television sets in shop windows, coffee shops, kitchens and offices to watch the astounding pictures of US troops for the first time ever overwhelm an Arab capital. Some turned off their sets in disgust at scenes from Baghdad of jubilant crowds celebrating the arrival of US troops, feeling betrayed and misled. "We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo. "Now no one believes (Arab satellite TV channel) al-Jazeera anymore." Mohammed al-Shahhal, a 49-year-old teacher in Lebanon's northern city of Tripoli, said the scenes reminded him of the collapse of the Soviet Union. "Those who applauded the collapse of Lenin's statue for some Pepsi and hamburgers felt the hunger later on and regretted what they did," said al-Shahhal. However, Tannous Basil, a 47-year-old cardiologist in the southern Lebanese port city of Sidon, said Saddam's regime was a "dictatorship and had to go." "I don't like the idea of having the Americans here but we asked for it," he said. "Why don't we see the Americans going to Finland, for example? They come here because our area is filled with dictatorships like Saddam's." Tarek al-Absi, a Yemeni university professor, was hopeful Saddam's end presaged more regional democracy. "This is a message for the Arab regimes, and could be the beginning of transformation in the Arab region," al-Absi said. "Without the honest help of the Western nations, the reforms will not take place in these countries." The overwhelming emotion for many Arabs was one of disbelief, tinged for some with disappointment after weeks of hearing Saddam's government pledge a "great victory" or fight to the death against "infidel invaders." "We Arabs are clever only at talking," Haitham Baghdadi, 45, in Damascus, Syria, said bitterly. "Where are the Iraqi weapons? Where are the Iraqi soldiers?" Many resorted to conspiracy theories to explain the rapidly collapsing era of Saddam. "There must have been treason," Ahmed Salem Batmira, an Omani political analyst. "It seems there was some deal. Saddam has put himself ahead of his people," said Yemeni government employee Saad Salem el-Faqih, 50. Three men having tea and smoking in a coffee shop in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, were unsettled as they watched the television - even though they said they were against Saddam and felt sorry for the long suffering Iraqis. "But I can't say that I'm happy about what's going on because these are non-Muslim forces that have gone in and I hope they will not stay," said Mohammed al-Sakkaf, a 58-year-old businessman. Many said they were disturbed by "provocative" images of US troops lounging in Saddam's palaces or draping the US flag around the head of Saddam statue. "Liberation is nobler than that," said Walid Abdul-Rahman, one of the three Saudis. "They should not be so provocative." "They (Iraqis) haven't yet buried their dead and they are honouring the American flag," said an angry Buthaina Jado'n, 27, a Jordanian Arabic-language teacher. "They haven't seen yet what the Americans will do to them after this; the war has just began." Wissam Fakhoury, 28, another Jordanian furious at the sight of the US flag briefly on Saddam's statue, said: "I spit on them (Iraqis). I was so disappointed." "Do those crowds who are saluting the Americans believe that the United States will let them live better?" asked Fakhoury, a hotel receptionist. "They (Americans) will loot their oil and control their resources, leaving them nothing." Bahraini physician Hassan Fakhro, 62, said he was saddened by the images. "Whatever I'm seeing is very painful because although Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he represented some kind of Arab national resistance to the foreign invaders - the Americans and the British," said Fakhro. After an anti-war march in Khartoum, Sudan, lawyer Ali Al-Sayed said US troops should not misinterpret the relief as an invitation to stay. "Those people under oppression will not have any national feeling, so they will be happy to see someone removing a dictator and liberating them," said al-Sayed. "But the moment they feel free and liberated, they will not tolerate a foreign presence." His sentiments resonated around a region where Iraq is far from the only place that lacks democracy. Abdel Khaleq Abdulla, a political analyst in the United Arab Emirates, said many Arabs, plagued by a sense of powerlessness, will feel depressed at first, despite Saddam's crimes. "For a while, there will be a sense of resignation, letdown, that this is one more (Arab) defeat," he said. "But what was defeated primarily in Baghdad is Arab oppression, the one party system which was unable to defend its country for more than three weeks, and its capital for more than 48 hours. "What was defeated in this battle was not the Arabs but the regime of oppression," he said. Arab leaders were quick to stress that Iraq should have a sovereign government. "Jordan cannot, naturally, recognise an occupying power," Jordanian Foreign Minister Marwan Muasher told the al-Jazeera satellite TV network. "The Iraqi people should rule themselves." Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, another uncomfortable US ally in the war, said the quickest way to achieve stability now would be for US troops to withdraw. "Iraqis must take control over of their country as fast as possible," Mubarak told Egypt's official news agency, MENA. Bahrain's king, Sheik Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, called for "Iraq's right to self determination," the official Bahrain News Agency reported. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud, looking upset at a news conference, called for a quick end to Iraq's "occupation." In a rare departure from diplomacy, Saud responded to a question about Arab anger toward the United States with: "I don't want to talk about anger if you don't mind today." AP

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