as the of cost of design goes up, does conversion improve? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

sextoyking · 04-05-2003, 07:11 PM

Marcus,

Sure that happens alot, some badly designed sites do great, alot of amateur are this way, but most of the time, notta. We have alot of older amateur sites coming to us know to do a re-design in the new Longer page tour concept.

Shit, look at, 1 of our sextoy stores, been around for 5 years or so, www.safesexmall.com

Looks old, etc but it converts like gangbusters for customers, easy design, lots of products, etc. Webmasters might think, www.safesexmall.com/money is old, which it is, but it's been paying for years

thanks

todd

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:17 PM

hmm. i guess i'm just wondering why the conversion is not more tightly attached to the cost of design. if someone could half my current conversion ratio on my current traffic, i wouldn't be paying them 1500, or 5000. I'd be paying 25K or 50K.

and it has zero to do with what it might look like, it only has to do with one thing: conversion using my content. anyway...

xxxinnovations · 04-05-2003, 07:18 PM

if any of you remember... exploitedteens.com was probably the best converting site EVER, which started this non traditional tour trend... in my opinion, regular tours by regular designers which follow the ARS style or maxcash style simple does not allow the site to separate itself from all of the million others...

...which is the reason Exploitedteens did so fucking well

Eventhough you'll never see this... THANKS ROB, YOU'RE THE FUCKING MAN!

sextoyking · 04-05-2003, 07:26 PM

Quiet,

I hear you man, shit what can I say.

I mean we can't guarentee any sort of conversions you know. It's just too tough to do. The design plus traffic / exposure = signups, well too much exposure or an old design can be bad too

Sure there are some ppl that will say we guarentee this and that when we do your design, we will keep changing it till it converts at 1 / 750 or 1/1000 or whatever. We at webinc.com after doing hundreds and hundreds of designs for the big boys and girls, and the small pretty much know our shit. That is why the approval process is so important with us. After each page, the clients approves, makes changes, etc.

We'd be happy to give 1 of your sites a shot sometime.

thanks

todd

m0rph3us · 04-05-2003, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxinnovations
if any of you remember... exploitedteens.com was probably the best converting site EVER, which started this non traditional tour trend... in my opinion, regular tours by regular designers which follow the ARS style or maxcash style simple does not allow the site to separate itself from all of the million others...

...which is the reason Exploitedteens did so fucking well

Eventhough you'll never see this... THANKS ROB, YOU'RE THE FUCKING MAN!

great post and actually he will since he lurks around here.

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us

great post and actually he will since he lurks around here.

uh.... never mind.

Pipecrew · 04-05-2003, 07:35 PM

uhhh I do design for 35,000 USD, your in luck!! Icq me

SothArtist · 04-05-2003, 07:38 PM

SexToyking you are so right.

Designers saying 'We guarantee our sites convert' are full of shit.

Thats right up there with 'We guarantee #1 SE listings'

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
[B]Quiet,

I hear you man, shit what can I say...

cheers...

sexyclicks · 04-05-2003, 07:46 PM

what about trust? security?
I think a lot of surfers do not trust porn sites to give their credit card number and a nice clean design helps a lot there.

Also branding is important too.

quiet · 04-05-2003, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexyclicks
what about trust? security?
I think a lot of surfers do not trust porn sites to give their credit card number and a nice clean design helps a lot there.

Also branding is important too.

if you have reach, branding is fucking huge. bah, i've said too much.

AdultWebGraphics · 04-05-2003, 10:40 PM

When I design I go for conversions, The surfers want to see sex they dont want to see little lines and lens flares all over the images. If they did they would not be looking at porn.

But the site has to look good and professional on the other hand or webmasters wont push it.

Lets say you have two sites you know nothing about except for its appearance,

One looks like shit but converts at 1/100

The other one looks like a piece of fine art that you could look at for hours because it looks so good but it converts at 1/2500.

Most webmasters are going to try the one that looks good just for that reason, it looks better.

As a designer you have to fine that line between looking good to attract webmasters yet get good conversions from it. That comes with experience and listening to established program owners.

TheFLY · 04-05-2003, 11:30 PM

There's something to be said for familiarity when dishing out $...

wimpy · 04-06-2003, 07:03 AM

My best converting "design" was a single image and lots of text.

but I do seo, so everything I do is lots of text. I have no idea how one of those all graphical sites convert.

Ian · 04-06-2003, 09:07 AM

I think the cost of paysite design has gone down lately, content as well. You just have to do a little shopping.

04-05-2003, 07:11 PM	#51
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Marcus, Sure that happens alot, some badly designed sites do great, alot of amateur are this way, but most of the time, notta. We have alot of older amateur sites coming to us know to do a re-design in the new Longer page tour concept. Shit, look at, 1 of our sextoy stores, been around for 5 years or so, www.safesexmall.com Looks old, etc but it converts like gangbusters for customers, easy design, lots of products, etc. Webmasters might think, www.safesexmall.com/money is old, which it is, but it's been paying for years thanks todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

04-05-2003, 07:18 PM	#53
xxxinnovations Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,181	if any of you remember... exploitedteens.com was probably the best converting site EVER, which started this non traditional tour trend... in my opinion, regular tours by regular designers which follow the ARS style or maxcash style simple does not allow the site to separate itself from all of the million others... ...which is the reason Exploitedteens did so fucking well Eventhough you'll never see this... THANKS ROB, YOU'RE THE FUCKING MAN! __________________ Need CUSTOM T-Shirts or Custom ANYTHING? We'll Fucking do it! ICQ 37639971 or call 800-920-1233

04-05-2003, 07:26 PM	#54
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Quiet, I hear you man, shit what can I say. I mean we can't guarentee any sort of conversions you know. It's just too tough to do. The design plus traffic / exposure = signups, well too much exposure or an old design can be bad too Sure there are some ppl that will say we guarentee this and that when we do your design, we will keep changing it till it converts at 1 / 750 or 1/1000 or whatever. We at webinc.com after doing hundreds and hundreds of designs for the big boys and girls, and the small pretty much know our shit. That is why the approval process is so important with us. After each page, the clients approves, makes changes, etc. We'd be happy to give 1 of your sites a shot sometime. thanks todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

04-05-2003, 10:40 PM	#62
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	When I design I go for conversions, The surfers want to see sex they dont want to see little lines and lens flares all over the images. If they did they would not be looking at porn. But the site has to look good and professional on the other hand or webmasters wont push it. Lets say you have two sites you know nothing about except for its appearance, One looks like shit but converts at 1/100 The other one looks like a piece of fine art that you could look at for hours because it looks so good but it converts at 1/2500. Most webmasters are going to try the one that looks good just for that reason, it looks better. As a designer you have to fine that line between looking good to attract webmasters yet get good conversions from it. That comes with experience and listening to established program owners. Last edited by AdultWebGraphics; 04-05-2003 at 10:58 PM..

04-06-2003, 07:03 AM	#64
wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	My best converting "design" was a single image and lots of text. but I do seo, so everything I do is lots of text. I have no idea how one of those all graphical sites convert. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

04-05-2003, 07:17 PM	#52
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	hmm. i guess i'm just wondering why the conversion is not more tightly attached to the cost of design. if someone could half my current conversion ratio on my current traffic, i wouldn't be paying them 1500, or 5000. I'd be paying 25K or 50K. and it has zero to do with what it might look like, it only has to do with one thing: conversion using my content. anyway...

04-05-2003, 07:35 PM	#57
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	uhhh I do design for 35,000 USD, your in luck!! Icq me

04-05-2003, 07:38 PM	#58
SothArtist Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 366	SexToyking you are so right. Designers saying 'We guarantee our sites convert' are full of shit. Thats right up there with 'We guarantee #1 SE listings'

04-05-2003, 07:46 PM	#60
sexyclicks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: c9media.com Posts: 3,240	what about trust? security? I think a lot of surfers do not trust porn sites to give their credit card number and a nice clean design helps a lot there. Also branding is important too.

04-05-2003, 11:30 PM	#63
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	There's something to be said for familiarity when dishing out $...

04-06-2003, 09:07 AM	#65
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	I think the cost of paysite design has gone down lately, content as well. You just have to do a little shopping.