Adult websites - income potential - GoFuckYourself.com

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 12:46 AM

I have a 4TB hosting plan (good price) and I want to start three separate sites - KVS, Mech Bunny TGP, and a Wordpress blog, all in the same niche. I would import content from all the sponsors (pictures only, this could be more than 4TB total for just one site, so I may need a better hosting; all sites can have videos added at any time, but I would work on that after like 3 or more years from now when I develop the sites and I have the money for proper hosting), categorize it by model name, categories and then work on getting links (maybe make more related sites, exchange links with other webmasters, pay for some maybe, I am not sure, I am familiar with how xxx seo works). All pic galleries would be hand written and top quality sites, no spinning or nothing like that, links would need to be of good quality too (everything on the top level, no low quality sites).

As far as I see it it is domain size, domain age and links (quality and amount as a secondary factor). So I would be competing by making the websites big, and of good quality, and then try to get good links. The domain age would come over time. I would be working on this like 90 hours per week or even more (12-14 hours of work, every day, 100% of the time invested in working on the sites).

I am wondering what income potential something like that can have two or three years from now if everything would go as planned. Making good top quality sites on the best scripts (good domain, good logo, all hand written, try to get good links), making good decisions as far as adding more websites to the "portfolio" (not just throwing something out and deleting the domain after a year or two), creating something that makes sense. This could be in the direction of the Croco sites, Bravo Media Group, Tube Corporate - all these names / brands that are somehow familiar and sticking out on the Internet as far as the xxx sites.

Can this make some money, and how much this could be. Just one person working on this, doing top quality work. Honestly, I think that this is hard at this point (2016+), start from $0 per month and make $100 per month at this point seems like a difficult thing (I know that links are important and they can make a difference). So if somebody has a better perspective, how can this look financially? Does it even make sense to work on that? I am planning to work on lamp programming (xxx niche probably), but I was planning to start the websites part first (and probably continue along with the programming part). I have all the skills top to bottom (social media, xxx seo, lamp programming, linux sys admin) and the quality of the sites is good too. I can publish around 200 hand written titles for the picture galleries per day steadily, but I am working on getting it up to 250 or maybe even more (steadily, so this would be like 7625 every month). I was able to reach like 450 per day at times.

So basically, how this could look finanically, where could I be financially two or three years from now (it sounds like five would be a better number, as like I've been saying, it seems kind of hard to start and grow the income)? I know that it depends on some factors and all that, but like I said speed, quality, and the knowledge that I have is very good (I am not new, more on the advanced level now).

I also want to focus on min number of domains, probably just one now (dont work on 100 sites at the same time, just one), and focus on just one niche targeting similar keywords across all the sites. I have KVS, Mech Bunny TGP and Wordpress, I may follow the path of what works the best and generates the best results too, so this could be just Wordpress blogs, if this would be generating the best results, but the Mech Bunny TGP can work too (good script, people sign up, come back).

So, is there any money in this, or is this more or less a waste of time?

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 12:53 AM

Income would be from a popunder (works on desktop and mobile), banner ads (something like Exoclick), and affiliate sales (RevShare if possible) - the xxx sponsor sites. Making the sites bigger, growing the number of sites, making connections with people and maybe work in some kind of group as far as link exchanges and adding more sites based on that.

Adraco · 07-31-2016, 01:17 AM

It all depends how much time you can afford to put aside, before needing to work to cover own food, housing and personal expenses. Very few have the money to work 2-3 years before seeing any return for themselves.

Regarding income, it will be a factor depending highly on the amount of traffic you get. How do people find your site and why should they come and stay on yours?

My sponsors generate income per unique visitor sent to the sponsor in the range $0.01-$0.09 USD, with most of them between $0.04-$0.05 USD. This is paysite sales.

Regarding advertising, popounders and banners, this year I am getting an average of $0.05 per unique visitor/click from Juicyads.

Cam site sales, although this is not a completely fair comparison, because it includes some whales which were recruited long time ago, but cam site sales total this year gives an average of $0.15. Again, I will include a warning, this cannot be directly compared to above, but it could give a hint of long term thinking and potential.

Good luck!

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 01:19 AM

I have 100% of the time that I can put aside. I dont even need to leave the house to get the food. I get out of bed and I work, go to kitchen eat, and come back to work. Every day, all day, and I take some breaks when needed. I take one day (or more) breaks if needed too, when I get burned out. So basically 4TB hosting, KVS picture site, and trying to make something out of that (import from all the good / related sponsors). Mech Bunny TGP is secondary, and Wordpress blog as a third site.

I know that it will depend on the traffic that I will get obviously, but how much traffic I can get after two or three years. I know that it depends on my skills obviously too. Like I was saying, I know that quality needs to be good. Something like xBabe.com or better. Mech Bunny TGP default theme - so you know how it looks more or less, Wordpress - I would make it look good too, and good text probably too (if I write people will read it, so write something that makes sense and not just for the search sites; and also search is just one source of traffic, I want Direct traffic too, so this part would need to be good; all good, no shortcuts, but I am thinking that there may be no $$$ in that).

3 years of work like this -> less than $100 per month of income after like 3 years. Or like $150 - popunder(s), banners and some aff sales. Can this be the case? Again, I know that there is all these factors, but does working on xxx sites make sense (meaning, how hard it is to actually start, and not like buy three $20,000 or $50,000 sites and go from there, which would be easier)?

So basically, we are talking about starting from 0 but with good quality / speed / knowledge and skills. I am not sure about the speed though. How many hand written titles (for picture galleires) could you do per day as a secondary question (but steadily, every single day)?

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 01:34 AM

@Adraco - Good info about the income, in actual numbers. This is something that I could use to asses the actual money that can come in from the sites. Basically I am trying to see what I can have coming in as income after 3 or so years of doing this (as this is probably a good amount of time for one person). The money could have been different (and was 10 years ago or so, or 5), so this would be related to what this can be now. How much money is there out there in porn sites (at the same time, this is not difficult, get the hosting, get a script, get a domain, logo, import content, add description, publish - everybody can do that, so there may not be a lot of money in this; if people have time to start and develop the sites this is an advantage as it is porbably close to impossible to start something like that after regular work, like on the weekends).

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 01:46 AM

One person can generate 50,000 of traffic in 3 years and another 10,000 so this differs too. My plan is to have good domains, good scripts, good logos, and all hand written sites. I am not sure if hand written approach is 100% correct, but it probably is. I mean I can be registering hundreds of some kind of domains, automating, spinning text with synonym tables, doing some kind of social media automation, Reddit, things like this, but this creates mess and nothing else, and in the end this is not what the people need. Make a good site, something that makes sense, this is porbably better, and I dont want to have titles that dont sound natural and with spinning it will always be like that.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 01:52 AM

How much money can you afford to burn?

People who know all the answers are struggling to make a decent living. Whatever a few claim.

Start a White Label site and see how it does before spending money.

BigFurry · 07-31-2016, 02:49 AM

You sound capable and dedicated, I think you have a good chance of making them work, even in this climate. If you make a good site that's great for the visitors, and keep feeding it with quality backlinks, it will grow I think.

The question is if it's the right project to invest 3 years into. You have to look 5-10 years ahead. One can still make sales, but the paysite join ratios get worse every year. If you have targeted and/or mass traffic, it's possible to make good money, but each year you'll have to grow traffic at a faster pace than the ratios decline.

Or you could go the traffic selling/popup direction. That's not my thing, and in my opinion, the site won't be a really good one for surfers anymore, and Google might appreciate it less too. But that direction can be more sustainable.

The real question is, wouldn't it be better to invest your time in mainstream, dating, or cams? Those verticals definitely have brighter futures.

AdultKing · 07-31-2016, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Start a White Label site and see how it does before spending money.

Seriously, don't start with a white label. A white label will only make you any money if you have lots of good traffic to throw at it, because essentially it's a copy of another website and there are thousands and thousands of them.

The key to success long term is good content, high quality sites and originality. People appreciate good content and will keep coming back to it.

Expect to make less than a cent per unique visitor at first, possibly much less.

The problem most webmasters have is scaling high quality sites enough to expand to a big enough footprint to make reasonable money. Unless you are lucky and build a single, highly popular website then you do need a wider footprint.

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 03:16 AM

@BigFurry - Traffic selling + popunders (traffic trading sites) is another aspect of xxx sites, and this model still works and makes money. I've even seen people trading traffic and having thousands of people per day from google.com / search, which would be an important thing from my point of view, if I would work on these type of sites. I've been figuring out how to trade traffic and dont get banned by google.com / search sites, but I have not worked on this yet. This should be a doable thing, but like you said, this is somehow on the wrong side of things, and it may be a little better to do what I do (better longer term, and the money probably worse). I may come back to it later on, start something separately, and see how things go. I want to work on xxx sites, I may do the mainstream sites later on, but I am not interested in this now.

I am not sure if this is the right project / projects to invest the time into, and programming would be a better thing, but it would be even more risky than this is. It is better to focus on creating something every day, producing, as nobody has a crystal ball that tells them how everything works on the Internet in the real time. Just like reading all these "White Board Friday" sites, where they write articles to promote and sell their own things, analyzing everything theoretically (over-analyzing) and so on. It is better to make something and then the people will be analyzing your sites. Even the info from google.com is wrong (the Matt Cuts videos and text).

The number of people that use the Internet is still growing, people get new devices now, so if you make something good and if you have time to do it (this is probably an important part, like these full three years or more to start), it should work. Work on just one site at a time (for like years), focus on one niche and not all of them, this should be making some sense too.

I may be able to generate lare amounts of text daily (hand written text) and push myself into this direction after I have the import and categorization done. I can then spread out the pictures to other sites (like with Gallery Magic from CyberSeo.net), and then push max amounts of text every day. This can give me an advantage too. Then I would have something to offer to other people, as far as exchanging links (like 500 or 600 good sites, full of hand written text - this has some kind of value, even with no links). So longer term, hard work and productivity can make it work.

I know about cams, and I will incorporate that (white label). This is probably the main source of income for most of the people on this board.

DVTimes · 07-31-2016, 03:17 AM

If you have the cash/time and so on, set up a webcam site.

I mean not promote one, but do it from fresh.

The hard part is getting models.

If you can get models to join and use your system them its $$$$.

Roald · 07-31-2016, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

If you have the cash/time and so on, set up a webcam site.

I mean not promote one, but do it from fresh.

The hard part is getting models.

If you can get models to join and use your system them its $$$$.

Yeah cause that's easy for a beginner *rolleyes*

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 03:22 AM

@AdultKing - All the sites that are make are planned to be potential #1 on the Internet. Not literally #1 but towards the top of Alexa Ranks (or some other) in the adult niche. I am not saying that I will achieve that, but all the sites look like this from the start, and I am working towards this goal. Large, recognizable brands, and not just one of the million Wordpress tubes or some kind of sites of this kind.

I will be trying to scale out after I do the initial import, but only something that make sense. Think three or five times before I register a domain, and it needs to be something good, something that fits and be "the reality that I want to create on the Internet". What is out there now, what could I add, and work on this. Xxx sites is pic galleries (or pics) videos and text. Videos are probably the most important ones, but good hosting is needed and this costs a lot of $$$. I want to do the picture sites, but all of them (most of them) have potential to be pic + video sites (and they will be if everything goes as planned).

I was thinking to get into xxx tubes later on too, get max amount of videos from all the sources and keep publishing this. Not really embeds but hosted, but embeds can probably work too. But this is again on the low-end side of things. You add these to a site, then 30% of them get deleted after like 12 months, so embeds could go with spinning text, but this is not what I want to do too (it is porbably better to do something actually good, instead of all these embeds, spinning, buying links from some shady places, social media automation - this is in general crap and crap is crap and nothing else).

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

If you have the cash/time and so on, set up a webcam site.

I mean not promote one, but do it from fresh.

The hard part is getting models.

If you can get models to join and use your system them its $$$$.

All is doable, but something like this is kind of hard. Like I said, I am planning to specialize in php programming, if everything works as planned. Maybe work on the sites to grow the amount of traffic that I would have and work on programming as the main thing. But make a cam site, this is hard. Something like this takes a group of people most likely and you have to compete with whats already there. It is probably better to focus on just one thing, instead of trying to do cams, dating, and everything else. What can I achieve i 12 or 24 months as far as creating my own cam site with models and all these things? This is a difficult and advanced thing. To me this would some like maybe 10 years from now and definitely not something for now. Like I said, I am trying to make something work financially, and all other things would be more possible after that.

j3rkules · 07-31-2016, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How much money can you afford to burn?

People who know all the answers are struggling to make a decent living. Whatever a few claim.

Start a White Label site and see how it does before spending money.

Whitelabel is good if you have already established website, so you can send traffic from your website to the whitelabel. Whitelabel itself will not send much traffic (if any) because of no unique content.

nakeddutch · 07-31-2016, 04:38 AM

there's no money in porn.

lordaRaG0n · 07-31-2016, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nakeddutch

there's no money in porn.

there's never been any money in porn...

The Porn Nerd · 07-31-2016, 08:03 AM

Well, it's good you have this 3 year time limit in your head.

For me, I gave myself 12 months to make my rent ($1100 a month at the time). This was back in 2009. LOL Time flies!

But if you are looking to do all this and invest this much time (don't know how much $$$) I would HIGHLY suggest ownership and not being an affiliate. It's much more work BUT it's sustainable over the long term. Of course, I run paysites so that's my area but this applies to cams, dating, anything you choose to do.

Adult King had it right: it's very hard to scale even a successful site beyond a certain point so often it's a smarter move to expand your footprint (run many sites). The idea of not putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind...

But basically look to model other webmasters who have started with zero and grew their biz into something sustainable instead of trying to figure everything out yourself. It's not about re-inventing the wheel, it's about MONEY.

Good luck!!

Yanks_Todd · 07-31-2016, 08:43 AM

So please take this in the right way. I mean it as constructive criticism. But in my opinion in order to succeed you need to create a destination of some sort, some reason for surfers to return to your sites. Create some type of brand.

I am not really seeing any competitive advantage to anything you are doing. I am not seeing this spark of an innovative idea for a site. Everything has not been done well yet. You seem dedicated and intelligent so I am not trying to put you off.

As a surfer categorized galleries are everywhere. Yes you can make money by being the one they happen to stumble upon frequently, however to put 90 hours a week into a network of sites and not be offering something that can be a brand of some kind seems pointless to me for the long term. Just food for thought.

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 09:26 AM

@The Porn Nerd - The ownership is good, but what I am doing right now is working on the sites with $0 savings and $0 income coming in (or close to $0). Once I get that money coming in, I can consider all the things that you were talking about (like trying to write scripts and sell them, do programming services for other people / companies, creating more advanced sites / services, programming based, in general things that are more advanced; I dont want to get into this yet, as this is not an easy thing, I talk about it lightly, but this probably translates into years in front of a pc in order to get somewhere with that, and quite a lot of learning; I am already familair with lamp to a certain extent though).

@Yanks Todd - All the sites would be recognizable brands, like I was saying, this is in the direction of Croco, Bravo Media Group, Tube Corporate, which are the "portfolios" of recognizable brands. Have a network of sites and each would be like its own TV station with a logo and a certain type of content for people to (read)/watch. So no shitty sites, nothing like one of the million spun Wordpress tubes that are out there. Much more like xBabe.com or ImageZog.com (sex.com probably hard to do, but they've done it somehow <I am talking about the amount of daily traffic) so this is a doable thing; I know that sex.com buys the traffic too).

tiramisu · 07-31-2016, 09:33 AM

Alright, all the above suggestions aren't really from personal experiences of what you are trying to do. I did all the above and had the same goal like urs 2 years old, I will tell you at what stage I am at right now.

1. All about search engine. U need to learn and focus on how to generate traffic from Google, no traffic no money. Plain n simple.

2. Search Engine traffic is all about keywords and competition. U need to be at the highest spot of every keywords u trying to go for in order to generate users clicks to your site.

3. It is very difficult to compete with all those large and establishment sites, no matter how good ur contents, how unique ur titles, u will never beat porn hub, xvideos.

4. U need to generate massive traffic to see a satisfying income. I give u my example, 100,000 uniques from google a day only makes u about $3000 a month. Sites cover with Exoclick, Juicy, popunder, roll up, and revshare. This is reality, u wont be able to sell membership alone nowadays.

5. U need to have either Full Length super long ass videos or massive videos to get that much traffic. If u gone full length, u end up stealing and uploading videos from others and eventually dmca up the ass and sites will be penalized or removed from google, if u go for massive videos u wont be able to type that much unique titles or if u were hiring indian to write the titles, u spend a budget but results wont be great because indian writers dont write for seo, so those words they use are basically random wont generate traffics at all. If u were using affiliate titles, well my friend u will get duplication filter, its a google filter nowadays to kill all affiliate sites that just scrape the same contents from the database.

6. Dont kid urself by creating a brand, it takes massive and constant traffic to get ur brand recognized and built from there, and this is adult, not some innovative Steve Jobs never been seen concept, whatever u trying to brand its available somewhere else online, u wont create something viral, viral contents are usually unintended contents that capture so randomly and without any purpose, not even trying to make money at first place.

Conclusion, basically u will for sure fail because its ur first time, and u will end up losing ur investment mostly on monthly hosting bill.

My suggestion: go for it, fail and learn everything, work ur ass off 12 hrs, but the only thing I can suggest u is, this is important, remember! Dont buy traffic to ur free site, only google traffic is helpful. DIVERSITY, dont make one site, make 10 or 20, u need to trial and error, feel which site works, then grow from there.

Good luck my friend.

After 2 years, I am making only around $2,000 a month from trial and error. I think its still worth it if u looking for parttime income, keep ur job and play this as ur hobby, eventually u will know if u like it or not.

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 10:05 AM

@tiramisu - I know seo / xxx seo, I have even completed that Adult Seo cource (AdultSeoTraining.com). I have not done any keyword research for this and I am not planning to, as I would be using the same keywords that I am using even though the competition could be high or search volume low. I know all these parameters, finding good keywords and all that, but I dont like over-analyzing everything and I prefer to focus on producing certain amount of something every day (like 200 galleries published, steadily or some other things like that).

Like I said, 3 years may pass and I may have $100 per month coming in... Thats why I was trying to see, what your perspectives could be. You make that $2,000 per month, so the money is good (for an average person, I am not talking about people expecting to make like $500 per day, $1000 per month would do it for me).

The general idea here is this, again - good domain (short, .com, no hyphens, relevant / very relevant to the site, memorable), good script (KVS, Mech Bunny TGP, Wordpress), import contnent - PICTURES ONLY FOR NOW, publish max amount of pages daily with one sentence of hand written text as the title. And this is pretty much it. After I do the import for all the sponsors that are good for this (I thought that there is a lot of them, but it is not, it is a limited number), I will categorize the galleries (ie: model names), and I will publish them. After that I will export the pics to the Mech Bunny TGP site, and then to Wordpress (Gallery Magic by CyberSeo.net most likely), then publish that and the blog witll have much more text. The blog may pick up, so I would do more blogs. If there would be some money coming in I could get good hosting (self-managed, so cheaper), and add the videos to the sites (probably not full length, as I want everything to be 100% legitimate). So this is what I do, and I am wondering about the income part, at the beginning and 3 years ahead of time, when I would assess the results of my work.

And with the seo, I can change the sites after these 3 years, do good keyword research / competition analysis, on site seo, put the keywords there, and it will work too, so it is not a now or never thing.

And the goal is not the 3 sites directly. I focus on just one site, and the other two are not the priority, but they will be worked on later on. Focusing on one thing is better as far as I know.

I am starting this now but I am not new to this at all, I've been doing strictly this on a full time basis for 6+ years.

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 10:22 AM

And the plan is hard work / pushing to the max, good link building (as good as possible execution of this, but fast too), and learning to produce a lot of text daily. Text has value, and fresh text should bring some traffic from search (and later on too with the links). Referral traffic from one site to the other or others (in my network) should help this grow too.

Any other ideas would be welcome, as it would be great to make it work. Also dont spend money for nothing, even a Cent, put everything in the site / potential biz.

Another idea her is that all the sites will be "open" / "open for updates". I can be constantly updating them with fresh content as it gets added to the sponsors (or other places), as the time goes by. Updating on a daily or regular basis should be an important thing later on (and it probably is from the start too, in some way). Pics and videos would be better than just pics right from the start, but good hosting is not cheap (Cloud Storage Hosting, expandable, so I dont have to wait for rsync for years, or come up with some other ways of transferring the TB's of data from a place to a place). So good hosting for videos is probably like $500 per month or something like that, which is out of my range now.

myleene · 07-31-2016, 10:36 AM

You'll start with 0 marketing skill in adult (the #1 skill you need).

You could make 10x more in mainstream with the skills you mentioned where marketing isn't the #1 skill.

My 2c.

fuzebox · 07-31-2016, 11:07 AM

1 org laugh

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by myleene

You'll start with 0 marketing skill in adult (the #1 skill you need).

You could make 10x more in mainstream with the skills you mentioned where marketing isn't the #1 skill.

My 2c.

I know xxx marketing, search engine marketing (can be called adult seo), social media marketing (all good networks, I even read quite a lot of books on this), and then probably ad networks for advertising (not really for what I do, as far as I imagine you pay for advertising of something that costs actual money on the site like penis enlargement pills, paysite subscription, dating subscription <can be anticipated>, live cam subsribtion...), and other types of spreading out the word like forums, and all the places where your potential target audience can be. I am not saying that I am the best in this but as far as xxx marketing I think that I know this part.

As far as the mainstream - what could I do there, lets say based on the posts that I have written in this thread? What would be my products (like real estate sites, restaurant sites)? I am interested in xxx only, but I know that it can be good to mix the two things, I may do it later on, but I wont be if I want to do porn (but this may change).

Axeman · 07-31-2016, 11:48 AM

Glad to see a business thread. Sounds like you are willing to work hard. If you are astute, able to and willing to study your traffic and stats and do lots of testing, you should be able to find your way. Be prepared to change directions 180 degrees based on what your data shows, not your pre conceived notion of what will work. Be flexible to go where the data and visitors tell you to go, and then scale up when you find the formula that works.

BigFurry · 07-31-2016, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TmJones

Like I said, 3 years may pass and I may have $100 per month coming in... Thats why I was trying to see, what your perspectives could be. You make that $2,000 per month, so the money is good (for an average person, I am not talking about people expecting to make like $500 per day, $1000 per month would do it for me).

$1000 / month is absolutely doable if you work hard, and have programming knowledge to create unique stuff.

EvgenUA · 07-31-2016, 01:42 PM

so you wanna give them 4tb of free content and then they should pay... for what?
there was lots of money in this business when we had a 4mb hosts.
see the connection?

incredibleworkethic · 07-31-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by myleene

You'll start with 0 marketing skill in adult (the #1 skill you need).

You could make 10x more in mainstream with the skills you mentioned where marketing isn't the #1 skill.

My 2c.

I'm wondering examples of this. Genuinely curious on a case study in which the same effort applied in mainstream might yield 10x the results.

TmJones · 07-31-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EvgenUA

so you wanna give them 4tb of free content and then they should pay... for what?
there was lots of money in this business when we had a 4mb hosts.
see the connection?

I dont expect to make most of the money from sales, or even a half. The main sources of income would be popunders (one per site) and banner ads. Sales should be around 1/3 of the total amount of income, if not less. I've seen in reality how this works on a network of 200+ sites.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Seriously, don't start with a white label. A white label will only make you any money if you have lots of good traffic to throw at it, because essentially it's a copy of another website and there are thousands and thousands of them.

The key to success long term is good content, high quality sites and originality. People appreciate good content and will keep coming back to it.

Expect to make less than a cent per unique visitor at first, possibly much less.

The problem most webmasters have is scaling high quality sites enough to expand to a big enough footprint to make reasonable money. Unless you are lucky and build a single, highly popular website then you do need a wider footprint.

I get that. My point is the cost versus the cost of what he plans to do. He could go lower in the costs scale and start with a blog on free hosting. You rule stills apply about quality content and earning. I'm thiking of the losses he will incur.

celandina · 08-01-2016, 01:00 AM

Is anybody ever make a new website with original and good content?? All these pop unders, poop overs etc... On "imported" ( read mostley stolen) content is not going to work unless your ultimate goal is to make 2K per month....whereas is should be 10x as much if you actually made something new, original and good.

AmeliaG · 08-01-2016, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TmJones

I dont expect to make most of the money from sales, or even a half. The main sources of income would be popunders (one per site) and banner ads. Sales should be around 1/3 of the total amount of income, if not less. I've seen in reality how this works on a network of 200+ sites.

If your traffic does not ever spend anything, you won't get a lot of repeat buyers on your popunders.

Make your sites about something, preferably something you care about or at least understand well, and sell that thing.

TmJones · 08-01-2016, 02:12 AM

I am not sure if anybody knows, but what could be the range of traffic (xxx traffic, lets say) that a person can generate with that 4TB of hosting (so this is good), $0 money invested in the sites (except for good scripts, logo, domains - only the necessary things) and just plain work (pushing to the max, every day, working like 90 hours per week or so). I know that this depends on a lot of factors, and thats why this could be a range, and as far as I understand it would be easier down the road

after year 1 - 5,000
after year 2 - 12,000
after year 3 - 22,000
after year 4 - 40,000

or something like that. Based on my experience the above numbers could be somewhere within the range. Steady traffic, I know that you can be adding to Reddit every day, then probably get banned or so, but the traffic could be higher with this (like 2-5k daily spikes). Or even, what amount of traffic (or range) can I expect after the 3 years. Or what would bad - average - and good webmaster create (or could create)?

20k - 50k - 70k (70k is already good financially).

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Is anybody ever make a new website with original and good content?? All these pop unders, poop overs etc... On "imported" ( read mostley stolen) content is not going to work unless your ultimate goal is to make 2K per month....whereas is should be 10x as much if you actually made something new, original and good.

Unless you can produce it yourself, how much can you afford to spend? Even then it comes down to budgets.

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

If your traffic does not ever spend anything, you won't get a lot of repeat buyers on your popunders.

Make your sites about something, preferably something you care about or at least understand well, and sell that thing.

It has to be something the creator cares about and understands well. The days of webmasters trying to create porn are long gone.

TmJones · 08-01-2016, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

Glad to see a business thread. Sounds like you are willing to work hard. If you are astute, able to and willing to study your traffic and stats and do lots of testing, you should be able to find your way. Be prepared to change directions 180 degrees based on what your data shows, not your pre conceived notion of what will work. Be flexible to go where the data and visitors tell you to go, and then scale up when you find the formula that works.

This is a good point here, as I know the importance of the GA stats (I've read all available books on the GA some time ago). I will look into this further by myself and I am able to figure it out, but what would be the aspects of the stats that I would be looking at as far as an xxx site (lets say Croco, Bravo Media Group, Tube Corporate + GA). I know that Time On Site, Bounce Rate and Number of Pages Visited are the important stats, there is also many other aspects and the GA is very advanced as far as analyzing a website from every angle or multiple angles at the same time.

I am not sure if I could get the info, but what I would be looking for with the sites like this (regular porn sites, something like I've mentioned above)?

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TmJones

I am not sure if anybody knows, but what could be the range of traffic (xxx traffic, lets say) that a person can generate with that 4TB of hosting (so this is good), $0 money invested in the sites (except for good scripts, logo, domains - only the necessary things) and just plain work (pushing to the max, every day, working like 90 hours per week or so). I know that this depends on a lot of factors, and thats why this could be a range, and as far as I understand it would be easier down the road

after year 1 - 5,000
after year 2 - 12,000
after year 3 - 22,000
after year 4 - 40,000

or something like that. Based on my experience the above numbers could be somewhere within the range. Steady traffic, I know that you can be adding to Reddit every day, then probably get banned or so, but the traffic could be higher with this (like 2-5k daily spikes). Or even, what amount of traffic (or range) can I expect after the 3 years. Or what would bad - average - and good webmaster create (or could create)?

20k - 50k - 70k (70k is already good financially).

Are you a fake nick trying to wind people up, or don't get the fact that you won't make it in the porn business?

40,000 people a day on your site and a CTR of 1-10. Leaves you with 4,000 clicks. With clicks at $5 a 1,000. You made $20 a day. Now deduct the costs.

What have you got to offer that's good enough to get 40,000 interested in?

I have a more profitable scheme for you that requires less investment, work, and thinking.

The dog is essential to maximise income. I would go for a Boxer very friendly, loves children and can be trained to bark on command.

But get a brighter one than I have.

07-31-2016, 01:17 AM	#3
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,735	It all depends how much time you can afford to put aside, before needing to work to cover own food, housing and personal expenses. Very few have the money to work 2-3 years before seeing any return for themselves. Regarding income, it will be a factor depending highly on the amount of traffic you get. How do people find your site and why should they come and stay on yours? My sponsors generate income per unique visitor sent to the sponsor in the range $0.01-$0.09 USD, with most of them between $0.04-$0.05 USD. This is paysite sales. Regarding advertising, popounders and banners, this year I am getting an average of $0.05 per unique visitor/click from Juicyads. Cam site sales, although this is not a completely fair comparison, because it includes some whales which were recruited long time ago, but cam site sales total this year gives an average of $0.15. Again, I will include a warning, this cannot be directly compared to above, but it could give a hint of long term thinking and potential. Good luck! __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

07-31-2016, 01:52 AM	#7
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	How much money can you afford to burn? People who know all the answers are struggling to make a decent living. Whatever a few claim. Start a White Label site and see how it does before spending money. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-31-2016, 03:17 AM	#11
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	If you have the cash/time and so on, set up a webcam site. I mean not promote one, but do it from fresh. The hard part is getting models. If you can get models to join and use your system them its $$$$. __________________ The Affiliate Program

07-31-2016, 04:38 AM	#16
nakeddutch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8,777	there's no money in porn. __________________ dfans.xyz/aivideos Patreon CRYPTO PAY-PER-VIEW Crypto Gateway Women in Kilts TGP Naughty Women in Kilts Lovense

07-31-2016, 08:03 AM	#18
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,568	Well, it's good you have this 3 year time limit in your head. For me, I gave myself 12 months to make my rent ($1100 a month at the time). This was back in 2009. LOL Time flies! But if you are looking to do all this and invest this much time (don't know how much $$$) I would HIGHLY suggest ownership and not being an affiliate. It's much more work BUT it's sustainable over the long term. Of course, I run paysites so that's my area but this applies to cams, dating, anything you choose to do. Adult King had it right: it's very hard to scale even a successful site beyond a certain point so often it's a smarter move to expand your footprint (run many sites). The idea of not putting all your eggs in one basket comes to mind... But basically look to model other webmasters who have started with zero and grew their biz into something sustainable instead of trying to figure everything out yourself. It's not about re-inventing the wheel, it's about MONEY. Good luck!! __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

07-31-2016, 12:46 AM	#1
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	Adult websites - income potential I have a 4TB hosting plan (good price) and I want to start three separate sites - KVS, Mech Bunny TGP, and a Wordpress blog, all in the same niche. I would import content from all the sponsors (pictures only, this could be more than 4TB total for just one site, so I may need a better hosting; all sites can have videos added at any time, but I would work on that after like 3 or more years from now when I develop the sites and I have the money for proper hosting), categorize it by model name, categories and then work on getting links (maybe make more related sites, exchange links with other webmasters, pay for some maybe, I am not sure, I am familiar with how xxx seo works). All pic galleries would be hand written and top quality sites, no spinning or nothing like that, links would need to be of good quality too (everything on the top level, no low quality sites). As far as I see it it is domain size, domain age and links (quality and amount as a secondary factor). So I would be competing by making the websites big, and of good quality, and then try to get good links. The domain age would come over time. I would be working on this like 90 hours per week or even more (12-14 hours of work, every day, 100% of the time invested in working on the sites). I am wondering what income potential something like that can have two or three years from now if everything would go as planned. Making good top quality sites on the best scripts (good domain, good logo, all hand written, try to get good links), making good decisions as far as adding more websites to the "portfolio" (not just throwing something out and deleting the domain after a year or two), creating something that makes sense. This could be in the direction of the Croco sites, Bravo Media Group, Tube Corporate - all these names / brands that are somehow familiar and sticking out on the Internet as far as the xxx sites. Can this make some money, and how much this could be. Just one person working on this, doing top quality work. Honestly, I think that this is hard at this point (2016+), start from $0 per month and make $100 per month at this point seems like a difficult thing (I know that links are important and they can make a difference). So if somebody has a better perspective, how can this look financially? Does it even make sense to work on that? I am planning to work on lamp programming (xxx niche probably), but I was planning to start the websites part first (and probably continue along with the programming part). I have all the skills top to bottom (social media, xxx seo, lamp programming, linux sys admin) and the quality of the sites is good too. I can publish around 200 hand written titles for the picture galleries per day steadily, but I am working on getting it up to 250 or maybe even more (steadily, so this would be like 7625 every month). I was able to reach like 450 per day at times. So basically, how this could look finanically, where could I be financially two or three years from now (it sounds like five would be a better number, as like I've been saying, it seems kind of hard to start and grow the income)? I know that it depends on some factors and all that, but like I said speed, quality, and the knowledge that I have is very good (I am not new, more on the advanced level now). I also want to focus on min number of domains, probably just one now (dont work on 100 sites at the same time, just one), and focus on just one niche targeting similar keywords across all the sites. I have KVS, Mech Bunny TGP and Wordpress, I may follow the path of what works the best and generates the best results too, so this could be just Wordpress blogs, if this would be generating the best results, but the Mech Bunny TGP can work too (good script, people sign up, come back). So, is there any money in this, or is this more or less a waste of time?

07-31-2016, 12:53 AM	#2
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	Income would be from a popunder (works on desktop and mobile), banner ads (something like Exoclick), and affiliate sales (RevShare if possible) - the xxx sponsor sites. Making the sites bigger, growing the number of sites, making connections with people and maybe work in some kind of group as far as link exchanges and adding more sites based on that.

07-31-2016, 01:19 AM	#4
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	I have 100% of the time that I can put aside. I dont even need to leave the house to get the food. I get out of bed and I work, go to kitchen eat, and come back to work. Every day, all day, and I take some breaks when needed. I take one day (or more) breaks if needed too, when I get burned out. So basically 4TB hosting, KVS picture site, and trying to make something out of that (import from all the good / related sponsors). Mech Bunny TGP is secondary, and Wordpress blog as a third site. I know that it will depend on the traffic that I will get obviously, but how much traffic I can get after two or three years. I know that it depends on my skills obviously too. Like I was saying, I know that quality needs to be good. Something like xBabe.com or better. Mech Bunny TGP default theme - so you know how it looks more or less, Wordpress - I would make it look good too, and good text probably too (if I write people will read it, so write something that makes sense and not just for the search sites; and also search is just one source of traffic, I want Direct traffic too, so this part would need to be good; all good, no shortcuts, but I am thinking that there may be no $$$ in that). 3 years of work like this -> less than $100 per month of income after like 3 years. Or like $150 - popunder(s), banners and some aff sales. Can this be the case? Again, I know that there is all these factors, but does working on xxx sites make sense (meaning, how hard it is to actually start, and not like buy three $20,000 or $50,000 sites and go from there, which would be easier)? So basically, we are talking about starting from 0 but with good quality / speed / knowledge and skills. I am not sure about the speed though. How many hand written titles (for picture galleires) could you do per day as a secondary question (but steadily, every single day)?

07-31-2016, 01:34 AM	#5
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	@Adraco - Good info about the income, in actual numbers. This is something that I could use to asses the actual money that can come in from the sites. Basically I am trying to see what I can have coming in as income after 3 or so years of doing this (as this is probably a good amount of time for one person). The money could have been different (and was 10 years ago or so, or 5), so this would be related to what this can be now. How much money is there out there in porn sites (at the same time, this is not difficult, get the hosting, get a script, get a domain, logo, import content, add description, publish - everybody can do that, so there may not be a lot of money in this; if people have time to start and develop the sites this is an advantage as it is porbably close to impossible to start something like that after regular work, like on the weekends).

07-31-2016, 01:46 AM	#6
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	One person can generate 50,000 of traffic in 3 years and another 10,000 so this differs too. My plan is to have good domains, good scripts, good logos, and all hand written sites. I am not sure if hand written approach is 100% correct, but it probably is. I mean I can be registering hundreds of some kind of domains, automating, spinning text with synonym tables, doing some kind of social media automation, Reddit, things like this, but this creates mess and nothing else, and in the end this is not what the people need. Make a good site, something that makes sense, this is porbably better, and I dont want to have titles that dont sound natural and with spinning it will always be like that.

07-31-2016, 02:49 AM	#8
BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,558	You sound capable and dedicated, I think you have a good chance of making them work, even in this climate. If you make a good site that's great for the visitors, and keep feeding it with quality backlinks, it will grow I think. The question is if it's the right project to invest 3 years into. You have to look 5-10 years ahead. One can still make sales, but the paysite join ratios get worse every year. If you have targeted and/or mass traffic, it's possible to make good money, but each year you'll have to grow traffic at a faster pace than the ratios decline. Or you could go the traffic selling/popup direction. That's not my thing, and in my opinion, the site won't be a really good one for surfers anymore, and Google might appreciate it less too. But that direction can be more sustainable. The real question is, wouldn't it be better to invest your time in mainstream, dating, or cams? Those verticals definitely have brighter futures.

07-31-2016, 03:16 AM	#10
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	@BigFurry - Traffic selling + popunders (traffic trading sites) is another aspect of xxx sites, and this model still works and makes money. I've even seen people trading traffic and having thousands of people per day from google.com / search, which would be an important thing from my point of view, if I would work on these type of sites. I've been figuring out how to trade traffic and dont get banned by google.com / search sites, but I have not worked on this yet. This should be a doable thing, but like you said, this is somehow on the wrong side of things, and it may be a little better to do what I do (better longer term, and the money probably worse). I may come back to it later on, start something separately, and see how things go. I want to work on xxx sites, I may do the mainstream sites later on, but I am not interested in this now. I am not sure if this is the right project / projects to invest the time into, and programming would be a better thing, but it would be even more risky than this is. It is better to focus on creating something every day, producing, as nobody has a crystal ball that tells them how everything works on the Internet in the real time. Just like reading all these "White Board Friday" sites, where they write articles to promote and sell their own things, analyzing everything theoretically (over-analyzing) and so on. It is better to make something and then the people will be analyzing your sites. Even the info from google.com is wrong (the Matt Cuts videos and text). The number of people that use the Internet is still growing, people get new devices now, so if you make something good and if you have time to do it (this is probably an important part, like these full three years or more to start), it should work. Work on just one site at a time (for like years), focus on one niche and not all of them, this should be making some sense too. I may be able to generate lare amounts of text daily (hand written text) and push myself into this direction after I have the import and categorization done. I can then spread out the pictures to other sites (like with Gallery Magic from CyberSeo.net), and then push max amounts of text every day. This can give me an advantage too. Then I would have something to offer to other people, as far as exchanging links (like 500 or 600 good sites, full of hand written text - this has some kind of value, even with no links). So longer term, hard work and productivity can make it work. I know about cams, and I will incorporate that (white label). This is probably the main source of income for most of the people on this board.

07-31-2016, 03:22 AM	#13
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	@AdultKing - All the sites that are make are planned to be potential #1 on the Internet. Not literally #1 but towards the top of Alexa Ranks (or some other) in the adult niche. I am not saying that I will achieve that, but all the sites look like this from the start, and I am working towards this goal. Large, recognizable brands, and not just one of the million Wordpress tubes or some kind of sites of this kind. I will be trying to scale out after I do the initial import, but only something that make sense. Think three or five times before I register a domain, and it needs to be something good, something that fits and be "the reality that I want to create on the Internet". What is out there now, what could I add, and work on this. Xxx sites is pic galleries (or pics) videos and text. Videos are probably the most important ones, but good hosting is needed and this costs a lot of $$$. I want to do the picture sites, but all of them (most of them) have potential to be pic + video sites (and they will be if everything goes as planned). I was thinking to get into xxx tubes later on too, get max amount of videos from all the sources and keep publishing this. Not really embeds but hosted, but embeds can probably work too. But this is again on the low-end side of things. You add these to a site, then 30% of them get deleted after like 12 months, so embeds could go with spinning text, but this is not what I want to do too (it is porbably better to do something actually good, instead of all these embeds, spinning, buying links from some shady places, social media automation - this is in general crap and crap is crap and nothing else).

07-31-2016, 08:43 AM	#19
Yanks_Todd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Valencia Posts: 2,490	So please take this in the right way. I mean it as constructive criticism. But in my opinion in order to succeed you need to create a destination of some sort, some reason for surfers to return to your sites. Create some type of brand. I am not really seeing any competitive advantage to anything you are doing. I am not seeing this spark of an innovative idea for a site. Everything has not been done well yet. You seem dedicated and intelligent so I am not trying to put you off. As a surfer categorized galleries are everywhere. Yes you can make money by being the one they happen to stumble upon frequently, however to put 90 hours a week into a network of sites and not be offering something that can be a brand of some kind seems pointless to me for the long term. Just food for thought. __________________ Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

07-31-2016, 09:26 AM	#20
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	@The Porn Nerd - The ownership is good, but what I am doing right now is working on the sites with $0 savings and $0 income coming in (or close to $0). Once I get that money coming in, I can consider all the things that you were talking about (like trying to write scripts and sell them, do programming services for other people / companies, creating more advanced sites / services, programming based, in general things that are more advanced; I dont want to get into this yet, as this is not an easy thing, I talk about it lightly, but this probably translates into years in front of a pc in order to get somewhere with that, and quite a lot of learning; I am already familair with lamp to a certain extent though). @Yanks Todd - All the sites would be recognizable brands, like I was saying, this is in the direction of Croco, Bravo Media Group, Tube Corporate, which are the "portfolios" of recognizable brands. Have a network of sites and each would be like its own TV station with a logo and a certain type of content for people to (read)/watch. So no shitty sites, nothing like one of the million spun Wordpress tubes that are out there. Much more like xBabe.com or ImageZog.com (sex.com probably hard to do, but they've done it somehow <I am talking about the amount of daily traffic) so this is a doable thing; I know that sex.com buys the traffic too).

07-31-2016, 09:33 AM	#21
tiramisu Isaac W Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 393	Alright, all the above suggestions aren't really from personal experiences of what you are trying to do. I did all the above and had the same goal like urs 2 years old, I will tell you at what stage I am at right now. 1. All about search engine. U need to learn and focus on how to generate traffic from Google, no traffic no money. Plain n simple. 2. Search Engine traffic is all about keywords and competition. U need to be at the highest spot of every keywords u trying to go for in order to generate users clicks to your site. 3. It is very difficult to compete with all those large and establishment sites, no matter how good ur contents, how unique ur titles, u will never beat porn hub, xvideos. 4. U need to generate massive traffic to see a satisfying income. I give u my example, 100,000 uniques from google a day only makes u about $3000 a month. Sites cover with Exoclick, Juicy, popunder, roll up, and revshare. This is reality, u wont be able to sell membership alone nowadays. 5. U need to have either Full Length super long ass videos or massive videos to get that much traffic. If u gone full length, u end up stealing and uploading videos from others and eventually dmca up the ass and sites will be penalized or removed from google, if u go for massive videos u wont be able to type that much unique titles or if u were hiring indian to write the titles, u spend a budget but results wont be great because indian writers dont write for seo, so those words they use are basically random wont generate traffics at all. If u were using affiliate titles, well my friend u will get duplication filter, its a google filter nowadays to kill all affiliate sites that just scrape the same contents from the database. 6. Dont kid urself by creating a brand, it takes massive and constant traffic to get ur brand recognized and built from there, and this is adult, not some innovative Steve Jobs never been seen concept, whatever u trying to brand its available somewhere else online, u wont create something viral, viral contents are usually unintended contents that capture so randomly and without any purpose, not even trying to make money at first place. Conclusion, basically u will for sure fail because its ur first time, and u will end up losing ur investment mostly on monthly hosting bill. My suggestion: go for it, fail and learn everything, work ur ass off 12 hrs, but the only thing I can suggest u is, this is important, remember! Dont buy traffic to ur free site, only google traffic is helpful. DIVERSITY, dont make one site, make 10 or 20, u need to trial and error, feel which site works, then grow from there. Good luck my friend. After 2 years, I am making only around $2,000 a month from trial and error. I think its still worth it if u looking for parttime income, keep ur job and play this as ur hobby, eventually u will know if u like it or not.

07-31-2016, 10:05 AM	#22
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	@tiramisu - I know seo / xxx seo, I have even completed that Adult Seo cource (AdultSeoTraining.com). I have not done any keyword research for this and I am not planning to, as I would be using the same keywords that I am using even though the competition could be high or search volume low. I know all these parameters, finding good keywords and all that, but I dont like over-analyzing everything and I prefer to focus on producing certain amount of something every day (like 200 galleries published, steadily or some other things like that). Like I said, 3 years may pass and I may have $100 per month coming in... Thats why I was trying to see, what your perspectives could be. You make that $2,000 per month, so the money is good (for an average person, I am not talking about people expecting to make like $500 per day, $1000 per month would do it for me). The general idea here is this, again - good domain (short, .com, no hyphens, relevant / very relevant to the site, memorable), good script (KVS, Mech Bunny TGP, Wordpress), import contnent - PICTURES ONLY FOR NOW, publish max amount of pages daily with one sentence of hand written text as the title. And this is pretty much it. After I do the import for all the sponsors that are good for this (I thought that there is a lot of them, but it is not, it is a limited number), I will categorize the galleries (ie: model names), and I will publish them. After that I will export the pics to the Mech Bunny TGP site, and then to Wordpress (Gallery Magic by CyberSeo.net most likely), then publish that and the blog witll have much more text. The blog may pick up, so I would do more blogs. If there would be some money coming in I could get good hosting (self-managed, so cheaper), and add the videos to the sites (probably not full length, as I want everything to be 100% legitimate). So this is what I do, and I am wondering about the income part, at the beginning and 3 years ahead of time, when I would assess the results of my work. And with the seo, I can change the sites after these 3 years, do good keyword research / competition analysis, on site seo, put the keywords there, and it will work too, so it is not a now or never thing. And the goal is not the 3 sites directly. I focus on just one site, and the other two are not the priority, but they will be worked on later on. Focusing on one thing is better as far as I know. I am starting this now but I am not new to this at all, I've been doing strictly this on a full time basis for 6+ years.

07-31-2016, 10:22 AM	#23
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	And the plan is hard work / pushing to the max, good link building (as good as possible execution of this, but fast too), and learning to produce a lot of text daily. Text has value, and fresh text should bring some traffic from search (and later on too with the links). Referral traffic from one site to the other or others (in my network) should help this grow too. Any other ideas would be welcome, as it would be great to make it work. Also dont spend money for nothing, even a Cent, put everything in the site / potential biz. Another idea her is that all the sites will be "open" / "open for updates". I can be constantly updating them with fresh content as it gets added to the sponsors (or other places), as the time goes by. Updating on a daily or regular basis should be an important thing later on (and it probably is from the start too, in some way). Pics and videos would be better than just pics right from the start, but good hosting is not cheap (Cloud Storage Hosting, expandable, so I dont have to wait for rsync for years, or come up with some other ways of transferring the TB's of data from a place to a place). So good hosting for videos is probably like $500 per month or something like that, which is out of my range now.

07-31-2016, 10:36 AM	#24
myleene Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 890	You'll start with 0 marketing skill in adult (the #1 skill you need). You could make 10x more in mainstream with the skills you mentioned where marketing isn't the #1 skill. My 2c.

07-31-2016, 11:07 AM	#25
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,070	1 org laugh

07-31-2016, 11:48 AM	#27
Axeman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Swamp Posts: 5,201	Glad to see a business thread. Sounds like you are willing to work hard. If you are astute, able to and willing to study your traffic and stats and do lots of testing, you should be able to find your way. Be prepared to change directions 180 degrees based on what your data shows, not your pre conceived notion of what will work. Be flexible to go where the data and visitors tell you to go, and then scale up when you find the formula that works. __________________ XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.com

07-31-2016, 01:42 PM	#29
EvgenUA Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 110	so you wanna give them 4tb of free content and then they should pay... for what? there was lots of money in this business when we had a 4mb hosts. see the connection?

08-01-2016, 01:00 AM	#33
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11,408	Is anybody ever make a new website with original and good content?? All these pop unders, poop overs etc... On "imported" ( read mostley stolen) content is not going to work unless your ultimate goal is to make 2K per month....whereas is should be 10x as much if you actually made something new, original and good.

08-01-2016, 02:12 AM	#35
TmJones Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 26	I am not sure if anybody knows, but what could be the range of traffic (xxx traffic, lets say) that a person can generate with that 4TB of hosting (so this is good), $0 money invested in the sites (except for good scripts, logo, domains - only the necessary things) and just plain work (pushing to the max, every day, working like 90 hours per week or so). I know that this depends on a lot of factors, and thats why this could be a range, and as far as I understand it would be easier down the road after year 1 - 5,000 after year 2 - 12,000 after year 3 - 22,000 after year 4 - 40,000 or something like that. Based on my experience the above numbers could be somewhere within the range. Steady traffic, I know that you can be adding to Reddit every day, then probably get banned or so, but the traffic could be higher with this (like 2-5k daily spikes). Or even, what amount of traffic (or range) can I expect after the 3 years. Or what would bad - average - and good webmaster create (or could create)? 20k - 50k - 70k (70k is already good financially).