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pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 10:48 AM

ok, i got a verto G4 Ti 4600 video card, and this bitch has some real cool shit
http://www.pny.com/products/verto/ge.../ti4600agp.cfm

now i need to know what the fuck some of this stuff is:

antialiasing?
fog table emulation?
texture aniostropic setting?
default color depth? (desktop, 16bpp or 32bpp)
refresh rate? ( 60 mhz upto 75mhz are my options.. ) which is best?
bascally i want to configure this bitch for best performance and im pretty sure my pc can handle it.

pc specs:
curently amd XP 2000+ cpu (overclocked to 1.75ghz)
soon to have amd XP (barton core) 3000 (2.1ghz)
1 gig ddr 2700 ram
60 gig 7200 rpm HD
soyo dragon platinum mobo http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=46
dram voltage set to 1.6v
cpu voltage set to 1.9v i think (up .1v from default setting)

case has about 7 fans in it

anyways.. Im pretty sure this sytem can take alot of abuse.. any ideas?

alias · 03-30-2003, 10:50 AM

I thought you didn't like games.. . But yeah it should be a workhorse for 3d and video.

alias · 03-30-2003, 10:50 AM

run refresh at 75mhz

FlyingIguana · 03-30-2003, 11:02 AM

antialiasing?

takes out all the lil jagged edges in games, or most of them.

fog table emulation?

not sure, i have a radeon 9500 pro and i don't think there's an option for that

texture aniostropic setting?

not sure what it is but it improves graphics and you take a performance hit for it much like antialiasing

default color depth? (desktop, 16bpp or 32bpp)
use 32. if games get choppy use 16.

danevans · 03-30-2003, 11:56 AM

isn't 75mhz refresh rate a bit low?
I'm using ati radeon 64mb ddr graphics card (way older than your) and a 19" monitor @ 85Hz. What screen resolution are you running?

pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by danevans
isn't 75mhz refresh rate a bit low?
I'm using ati radeon 64mb ddr graphics card (way older than your) and a 19" monitor @ 85Hz. What screen resolution are you running?

1024 x 768
lcd 17" monitor

it only says it goes upto 75hz

iroc409 · 03-30-2003, 12:48 PM

shoulda got an ATI.

pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
shoulda got an ATI.

too many problems

03-30-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
shoulda got an ATI.

yep...

pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf

yep...

nope

iroc409 · 03-30-2003, 12:50 PM

oh yeah... your memory is probably going to be a bottleneck too. i suggest corsair xms, and if you can afford it get the pc3500 cas2 434mhz

Lane · 03-30-2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpcat5

1024 x 768
lcd 17" monitor

it only says it goes upto 75hz

85Hz is better for your eyes

iroc409 · 03-30-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpcat5

too many problems

well, the radeon 9700 has already proven itself much faster than the gf 4, and in about a month or so the r800 is coming out, which is basically going to leave nvidia in the dust.

yeah, the drivers don't generally release the true power of the ati cards, and they are sometimes rather shitty, but you can get all the stuff laying around out there to take advantage of it.

if you're looking for pure performance, nvidia kinda fell out...

Lane · 03-30-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
shoulda got an ATI.

only 9700pro beats nvidia performance-wise

the others are not as impressive

i'm an nvidia fan.. i like their research papers too. they contribute a lot to the science of 3D graphics programming.

TDF · 03-30-2003, 12:56 PM

mew=pimpcat

pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
mew=pimpcat

sup kneegrow

Machete_ · 03-30-2003, 01:13 PM

3 major problems with your motherboard.

1 - It only supports AGP x4 - you should buy a board that support APGx8 (twice the agp bus speed)

2 - The motherboard only runs 333 mhz - Buy one of ASUS's motherboards. I would take one of the new "8" series - like A7V8X - make SURE it runs 400mhz , and get a processor that runs that as well. The best chipset to AMD cpu's is KT400 by the way.

3 - The Disks isent that fast - You can get SerialATA disks now, and they will KICK ata133 disks SO bad (150MB/s data transfer rate)- and the Motherboard above, supports SerialATA as well as ATA133

iroc409 · 03-30-2003, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ebus_dk
3 major problems with your motherboard.

1 - It only supports AGP x4 - you should buy a board that support APGx8 (twice the agp bus speed)

2 - The motherboard only runs 333 mhz - Buy one of ASUS's motherboards. I would take one of the new "8" series - like A7V8X - make SURE it runs 400mhz , and get a processor that runs that as well. The best chipset to AMD cpu's is KT400 by the way.

3 - The Disks isent that fast - You can get SerialATA disks now, and they will KICK ata133 disks SO bad (150MB/s data transfer rate)- and the Motherboard above, supports SerialATA as well as ATA133

i'm kinda on the fence about those new disks. i mean, you use a wd w/ 8mb cache @ 133... that extra bandwidth may not really make a difference, would it? especially when there aren't many ata150 drives out, esp. with that kind of cache. that cache would make a _big_ difference, i'd think...

another mainboard suggestion: the abit at7-max2

TDF · 03-30-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by pimpcat5

sup kneegrow

shit...hustlin as usual..long live pimpcat

Machete_ · 03-30-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409

i'm kinda on the fence about those new disks. i mean, you use a wd w/ 8mb cache @ 133... that extra bandwidth may not really make a difference, would it? especially when there aren't many ata150 drives out, esp. with that kind of cache. that cache would make a _big_ difference, i'd think...

another mainboard suggestion: the abit at7-max2

I have been testing Seagate Sata 120 GB sata150(8 mb cache) against another Seagate IDE133 8mb cache about 14 days, and found that it was about 12% faster on the same mashine with ONE disk, but add 2-4 disk, and you will see a REAL boost.
At 4 disks it was almost 2 times faster - and the diskprice is almost the same (and non of those big wide cables

)

pimpcat5 · 03-30-2003, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ebus_dk

I have been testing Seagate Sata 120 GB sata150(8 mb cache) against another Seagate IDE133 8mb cache about 14 days, and found that it was about 12% faster on the same mashine with ONE disk, but add 2-4 disk, and you will see a REAL boost.
At 4 disks it was almost 2 times faster - and the diskprice is almost the same (and non of those big wide cables )

now we are getting a bit to technical for me..

what do you mean by 2-4 disks? the HD having 4 disks in it? or 4 different HD's?

Machete_ · 03-30-2003, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpcat5

now we are getting a bit to technical for me..

what do you mean by 2-4 disks? the HD having 4 disks in it? or 4 different HD's?

4 different HD's - I need a lot of space in my work

DrGuile · 03-30-2003, 01:45 PM

wow, a lot of people who figure they know hardware here....

A few things:

ansitropic filtering is where they use all the high resolution texture instead of using "smaller" ones as it renders farther away (you can usually see this pretty clearly when you play.)
Looks a lot better, does affect performance a lot.

On the rest of your stuff, its fine. dont worry about it.

Also: 400mhz memory offer VERY little performance boost over 333 for the current hardware and software. Also, no AMD cpu runs at 400mhz FSB. The current generation fo Athlon is at 133mhz, and the next one (Barton) will run at 166mhz.

Also, AGP8x makes very little difference for the current generation of hardware (i.e. the ti-4600)

Best chipset for AMD right now is nForce2 because of the DUAL channel DDR (which the kt400 doesnt have)

I do like the numbers on serialATA though... but you probably should wait another 3-6 months for the hardware to mature a bit. nad prices to come down.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboa...214/index.html

Machete_ · 03-30-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
wow, a lot of people who figure they know hardware here....

A few things:

ansitropic filtering is where they use all the high resolution texture instead of using "smaller" ones as it renders farther away (you can usually see this pretty clearly when you play.)
Looks a lot better, does affect performance a lot.

On the rest of your stuff, its fine. dont worry about it.

Also: 400mhz memory offer VERY little performance boost over 333 for the current hardware and software. Also, no AMD cpu runs at 400mhz FSB. The current generation fo Athlon is at 133mhz, and the next one (Barton) will run at 166mhz.

Also, AGP8x makes very little difference for the current generation of hardware (i.e. the ti-4600)

Best chipset for AMD right now is nForce2 because of the DUAL channel DDR (which the kt400 doesnt have)

I do like the numbers on serialATA though... but you probably should wait another 3-6 months for the hardware to mature a bit. nad prices to come down.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboa...214/index.html

Telling the guy that AGPx8 isent what he should AIM at is funny - You get twice the bussspeed, and busspeed is what you need on a highpreformance grafix card.

AMD XP Thoroughbred have a 333 Mhz FSB - yes - but the next model will run at 400 (check AMD roadmap) thats why I said he should choose that motherboard. AND it would be pretty good to have your DDR ram, rum at 400mhz instead of 333 - wouldent it?

The soyo dragon platinum moboard is NOT the way to go, the rest of the mashine is OK, but the motherboard SUX

The Standart ATA133 IDE disks is good enough for him.

I build high preformance Videoediting systems, and test these kind of things EVERY day.

Ludedude · 03-30-2003, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane

85Hz is better for your eyes

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

Not in an LCD display. It makes no difference because the screen doesn't have phosphors that need to be refreshed in the same way a CRT monitor does. 60hz is fine on an LCD, faster is fine too, but it makes no difference as there is no flicker to eliminate.

Machete_ · 03-30-2003, 02:26 PM

AGP8X (AGP 3.0) is the next generation VGA interface specification that enables enhanced graphics performance with high bandwidth speeds up to 2.12GB/s and twice as fast as AGP4X. Combined with Directx 9, you are now lethal

AdultNex · 03-30-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

Not in an LCD display. It makes no difference because the screen doesn't have phosphors that need to be refreshed in the same way a CRT monitor does. 60hz is fine on an LCD, faster is fine too, but it makes no difference as there is no flicker to eliminate.

Sometimes, a higher refresh rate on an LCD can make images brighter and text sharper.

Lane · 03-30-2003, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt

Not in an LCD display. It makes no difference because the screen doesn't have phosphors that need to be refreshed in the same way a CRT monitor does. 60hz is fine on an LCD, faster is fine too, but it makes no difference as there is no flicker to eliminate.

missed the lcd part, lol
i was talking about crt

lcd's don't flicker, but most of them are slow at refreshing the pixels.. for example moving objects leave trails and stuff, which i hate..

Ludedude · 03-30-2003, 03:28 PM

Now that depends on the quality of the LCD. The cheap ones aren't fast enough, that's true.

DrGuile · 03-30-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ebus_dk

Telling the guy that AGPx8 isent what he should AIM at is funny - You get twice the bussspeed, and busspeed is what you need on a highpreformance grafix card.

AMD XP Thoroughbred have a 333 Mhz FSB - yes - but the next model will run at 400 (check AMD roadmap) thats why I said he should choose that motherboard. AND it would be pretty good to have your DDR ram, rum at 400mhz instead of 333 - wouldent it?

The soyo dragon platinum moboard is NOT the way to go, the rest of the mashine is OK, but the motherboard SUX

The Standart ATA133 IDE disks is good enough for him.

I build high preformance Videoediting systems, and test these kind of things EVERY day.

Lol, he isnt shopping for a new machine... thats what he already has.

Also, for the ti4600, there is VERY LITTLE performance difference between the 4x and the 8x version. Thats a fact.
Also, RIGHT NOW, 400mhz memory DOES NOT improve performance in most situation. Thats also a fact.
Memory speed and CPU FSB is NOT the same. current AMD fsb is 133mhz, Barton will be 166mhz.
Also, like I already said, dual channel DDR will bring a much bigger performance increase than going from 333mhz to 400mhz.

Theory is one thing, practice is another.

Machete_ · 03-31-2003, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile

Memory speed and CPU FSB is NOT the same. current AMD fsb is 133mhz, Barton will be 166mhz.
Also, like I already said, dual channel DDR will bring a much bigger performance increase than going from 333mhz to 400mhz.

Theory is one thing, practice is another.

you are STILL wrong
The AMD XP Thoroughbred FSB 333 Mhz (all cpu' above the XP2600+, and the MEMORY FSB is 400 mhz on the KT400 chipset

MEANING:
The cpu can run at 333 MHZ
AND the ram can run at 400Mhz

Get your facts STRAIGHT !!

I just tested a XP2700 with a Asus TI4400 at both agpx4 and agpx8
Results in 3dmarks03 was:
Agpx8 = 4875
Agpx4 = 3201

Whats your anser to that then -- will you tell me that 4875 is tha same as 3201 ?

Like you said

Quote:

wow, a lot of people who figure they know hardware here....

03-30-2003, 10:48 AM	#1
pimpcat5 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 14	gamers, video guys, and graphic freaks!!! ok, i got a verto G4 Ti 4600 video card, and this bitch has some real cool shit http://www.pny.com/products/verto/ge.../ti4600agp.cfm now i need to know what the fuck some of this stuff is: antialiasing? fog table emulation? texture aniostropic setting? default color depth? (desktop, 16bpp or 32bpp) refresh rate? ( 60 mhz upto 75mhz are my options.. ) which is best? bascally i want to configure this bitch for best performance and im pretty sure my pc can handle it. pc specs: curently amd XP 2000+ cpu (overclocked to 1.75ghz) soon to have amd XP (barton core) 3000 (2.1ghz) 1 gig ddr 2700 ram 60 gig 7200 rpm HD soyo dragon platinum mobo http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=46 dram voltage set to 1.6v cpu voltage set to 1.9v i think (up .1v from default setting) case has about 7 fans in it anyways.. Im pretty sure this sytem can take alot of abuse.. any ideas?

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Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	3 major problems with your motherboard. 1 - It only supports AGP x4 - you should buy a board that support APGx8 (twice the agp bus speed) 2 - The motherboard only runs 333 mhz - Buy one of ASUS's motherboards. I would take one of the new "8" series - like A7V8X - make SURE it runs 400mhz , and get a processor that runs that as well. The best chipset to AMD cpu's is KT400 by the way. 3 - The Disks isent that fast - You can get SerialATA disks now, and they will KICK ata133 disks SO bad (150MB/s data transfer rate)- and the Motherboard above, supports SerialATA as well as ATA133

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DrGuile Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,025	wow, a lot of people who figure they know hardware here.... A few things: ansitropic filtering is where they use all the high resolution texture instead of using "smaller" ones as it renders farther away (you can usually see this pretty clearly when you play.) Looks a lot better, does affect performance a lot. On the rest of your stuff, its fine. dont worry about it. Also: 400mhz memory offer VERY little performance boost over 333 for the current hardware and software. Also, no AMD cpu runs at 400mhz FSB. The current generation fo Athlon is at 133mhz, and the next one (Barton) will run at 166mhz. Also, AGP8x makes very little difference for the current generation of hardware (i.e. the ti-4600) Best chipset for AMD right now is nForce2 because of the DUAL channel DDR (which the kt400 doesnt have) I do like the numbers on serialATA though... but you probably should wait another 3-6 months for the hardware to mature a bit. nad prices to come down. http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboa...214/index.html __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 50% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal Powered by Gamma

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