Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21022570)

That's interesting because I've never felt pirate sites were a threat. I know they are huge but I've often felt they cater to a different group of users. I may be naive and completely wrong but my gut just always told me pirate site users were never going to be members.

We actually had a situation for a while where the pirate sites actually listed our updates BEFORE us. That was not good.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21022579)

I know some people have questioned my reasons for bringing up a thread/topic like this. My main reason is a brainstorm session really. There is definitely still money to be made. Just running things as they've always been run isn't the way.

Your idea is great. There is definitely something in that. There has to be some sort of advancement in the delivering of content (maybe not necessarily always on your own website) and the billing of content (different price points, different areas you can buy it again not only on your website).

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21023044)

Mutt's suggesting PPV. How did that work out the first time it was tried?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21023044)

Mutt's suggesting PPV. How did that work out the first time it was tried?

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21023200)

This is different though than the conventional PPV. The 1 click and reach being the big difference here. Makes perfect sense and would be a big change.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21023266)

Of course, two clicks is far too much for a surfer to figure out. </sarcasm>

One click to what, biller or deducting money from a pre-deposited pot?

Pornhub works with one click.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21023077)

From his responses it seems Shap already has his mind set on a certain path and is looking for affirmation of adding a lot of new functionality to paysites while reducing membership fees, preferably lower than $10 it looks like.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21023281)

Figure out what a 1 click means in this context and come back please :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21022567)

Price point is key. I've become used to Netflix at <$10 a month. That price point is a no brainer for me and I don't mind going 2 or 3 months without using it (as I just did these past 3 months). Once it goes over $10 (esp towards $19) I'd have to be using it regularly for me to justify keeping it. As a family we don't use it enough so I'd cancel.

Apps are the same. I rarely will pay for an app. I have to be super motivated and interested in the app or it's a lego kids game that I know my boys will love. Besides that I'm not keen on spending $$ for an app. Why? Because the app environment has taught me what is worth spending and what isn't. There are apps that I used to buy as software and pay $50, $100 or $200 for. But in the app environment they are now worth <10 and usually <5.

Music I'll buy from itunes store without every researching an alternative. It's just how I buy music.

I never buy movies.

Tv Shows I'll research when they'll be on cable. If I really can't get it within let's say a month I'll then go to itunes and buy it. If Itunes and Amazon do a geo block and try to stop me from seeing it for 6 months time (ie like they did with Ballers) then fuck them I'll download illegally. If I'm buying on itunes to watch on apple tv i'll buy HD version but if I'm going to watch on my ipad i'll buy SD version.

Just to give you insight into my buying decisions.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21023350)

Figured so, carry on!!

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21023077)

From his responses it seems Shap already has his mind set on a certain path and is looking for affirmation of adding a lot of new functionality to paysites while reducing membership fees, preferably lower than $10 it looks like.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21023035)

100 posts of why paysites won't change.



Nobody regularly consumes porn to pass the time. They're all potential buyers.

The excuse of them never being customers, never made sense. Now we know that people downloading or viewing porn are potential customers we converted into freeloaders.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21023200)

This is different though than the conventional PPV. The 1 click and reach being the big difference here. Makes perfect sense and would be a big change.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21023692)

This is one case where those who get it get it. I saw exactly what mutt meant immediately. Makes sense. We've always limited our thinking to the idea we have to charge for our content on our website instead of other ways to charge for it ie on the tube itself.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21023692)

This is one case where those who get it get it. I saw exactly what mutt meant immediately. Makes sense. We've always limited our thinking to the idea we have to charge for our content on our website instead of other ways to charge for it ie on the tube itself.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21023737)

I'll throw one at you with regard to monetization;

What about a Porn Tube site with micropayments to content producers or providers?

what if; Each time a full length vid is viewed in HD quality $0.20 is deducted from the tube member's wallet and 50/60///90% is sent to the member/seller providing that content's wallet -- the seller cashes out like an affiliate $50-$100 minimum ....

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21023812)

a la XVideos or Pornhub Premium?

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21023674)

I know you don't believe this but I don't have an agenda here. Just having a conversation about it. It may surprise you but I'm not the selfish manipulating bastard you have me pegged as. If anything I'm the complete opposite. I started the thread as a brainstorm to see where it goes. No secret plans behind it.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 21023941)

I think the money went to dating.. :upsidedow
(Also cams and other things that a regular affiliate can't make money from these days..)

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 21023977)

What is a regular affiliate?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21014167)

"Content. You can't have an off day. Every update has to be SPECTACULAR!"

When you find that SPECTACULAR porn scene. Be sure to let everyone know. Because it's almost impossible unless the producer has money to burn.

Recorded porn is the same as it was in 1980 and the introduction of the VCR. Private had some awesome content, flew people to Bali to shoot movies. How many sites today can afford to shoot SPECTACULAR porn?

Still no matter how SPECTACULAR it is, it will be on Pornhub or Pirate Bay the day after it's released.

https://gfy.com/21014152-post82.html

This is the only option there is and will be a tough job to get it right. All other options are closed. Those who want to shoot me down, do it with a new option. The rest just keep working hard and making money.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21023434)

Classic right? I don't try to explain things to Paul. His interest in these things are purely intellectual these days. He has no skin in the game so his perspective is...classic.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21023686)

That's not true. I never have and never will pay for porn. No amount of convincing will change that. I'll consume it for free but the second it's not free I won't consume it.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21023692)

This is one case where those who get it get it. I saw exactly what mutt meant immediately. Makes sense. We've always limited our thinking to the idea we have to charge for our content on our website instead of other ways to charge for it ie on the tube itself.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21023728)

Well, the issue has always been on the tube side. It's their website after all so doing a one-click upsell means splitting revenue (equally?) and, until recently, this has been resisted. But as the industry changes I think more tubes will be open to this.

Personally, I think tubes should act like cable providers do now. In other words, strike partnership deals with trusted paysites to not only do what Mutt suggests but also help with production costs. Paysite owners would need to adjust their thinking in terms of margins and costs but I think this is the future for some companies. Does Mind Geek do one click upsells for Fake Taxi? They should. :)

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 21023941)

I think the money went to dating.. :upsidedow
(Also cams and other things that a regular affiliate can't make money from these days..)

Originally Posted by Penrod (Post 21024289)

holy shit! markham is still alive????

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21024445)

Pornhub already does it. According to some posters and lawyers, without the permission of the content owners.

Did another tube site set up a rev share with content owners on views?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21024478)

Not really. Mainstream Dating isn't porn.

Affiliates, ex-site owners, etc. Have gone to Dating are other online businesses. Many have left the business altogether.

I know if I had to work I would never be shooting porn. There are far more profitable ways to earn a living.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21024436)

How many times a week do you jerk off to porn?

I find it strange that a person who would never buy, is looking for ways to sell porn.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21023305)

$10 is no longer profitable unless the content is free for the site owner. Shooting 10 scenes, worth signing up for, will cost between $2,000 solo to $20,000 BG. Yes I know people will churn out garbage for less

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 21025531)

Explain Zishy. Zishy - Real Girl Mischief

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21024718)

Why does Netflix get 12.99 (now) a month subscriptions when you can view all kinds ( of generally bad quality [bad screen cuts, chipmunk voices, obvious display screens being videoed with a webcam (LOL)] ) movies, including recently released, full length movies?

People are willing to pay for good content -- free pirated tube clips are better somehow or good enough for a fast wank; fap,fap,fap -- zip? If that is the case -- move on.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21024430)

As someone who has no skin in the cost of producing content, your views are biased. With that said I admire your business model, picking up old sites that have been exhausted by the owners and squeezing the last out of them. Very much like what I do with my old content.

This thread is about new ideas to move forward, seeing how paysites can adapt to reap more paying customers.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21025753)

Actually Paul my websites run the gamut from 'dead' sites (no updates) to recycling older content to shooting brand-new content in 4K. However I myself do not handle the cost of production, the content producers who provide me the content do. (I also purchase content.)

No, with my business model it's more akin to that of a Hollywood agent, meaning take a % from each site and, altogether, it pays off big time. Some sites do killer biz, some so-so and some no biz at all. But TOGETHER it (my Network) packs a wallop and makes bank.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21024535)

PH is not doing this.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 21024544)

That's true, but sometimes adult dating can be very similar to porn: People watching people getting laid vs people trying to get laid.. :upsidedow

It's great for supplemental income for adult webmasters, too, even though it might be considered mainstream.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21024868)

Too many hahahahhahaha

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior (Post 21025531)

Explain Zishy. Zishy - Real Girl Mischief

Originally Posted by hardcorehosting (Post 21025639)

Mostly non-nude models & no videos. Probably run's it on a $80 a month ssd vps server. It's a great idea !! Just like any other niche that we are trying to hit, I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there that like the tease that pics offer over the visual overload that videos give them. Pics can sell! 20% of of our members download more picture sets than videos!

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21024718)

People are willing to pay for good content -- free pirated tube clips are better somehow or good enough for a fast wank; fap,fap,fap -- zip? If that is the case -- move on.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21026035)

Then you would a buyer of porn if there was no free porn. Pre-Internet you had little option but to buy.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21023929)

I didn't mean to butthurt you Shap.

How are we supposed to trust a former tube owner whose avatar is Darth Vader?


Seriously though you started asking for peoples ideas this month last year in another thread. You and I chatted via email which was cool. Nobody has seen any results come from the effort before and here's a new thread asking for ideas for paysites.

Where did I peg you as a selfish manipulating bastard though? I don't see you that way.

I try to challenge people sometimes so I can learn and see where they're coming from, it's me being passionate, not meant as a negative. Now if I tell you how I see you you're gonna take it a bad way haha :upsidedow