Good point there. That's sorta how I was finally able to quit smoking. Tried the patch, the gum, and then finally, tried the inhaler. THAT combined with my "Now I WANT to quit" instead of "I really SHOULD quit" attitude helped me stop smoking over 3 years ago. I found I needed something in my mouth! So, I just carried the holder (new age FDR!) in my mouth wherever I went. Even if it didn't have a nicotene cartridge with me. I was stunned at how "oral" I was..and to this day, THANKFUL that I found the inhaler!

(I won't mention that it was THEN I really started putting on the weight! :Graucho )

Dang good idea! I bought the raspberry liquid and said to myself..now what am I going to do with it? Thanks for the idea of using club soda. Truly hadn't thought about this. These are some great ideas ya'll are comming up with!:thumbsup

Guys the truth about the origins of the Atkins diet was not to lose weight. The weight loss was a side effects for patience that where looking for a mental health non-medication solutions. The studies started in the early 60?s to find a cost-effective way in the mental health hospitals to save money on medicines. This is the theory on the atkins diet. Your receptors get blocked when there is too much sugar and other fats in your blood that goes to your brain. Due to these fats the Neurotransmitters in your brain lose their charge and the receptor cells do not function correctly. If the neurotransmitters or receptor cells are impeded you go into a depression. They abandon this theory due to discovering large doses of Vitamin A, B, B6, B12 showed much better results then the Atkins theory. This is also why they tell you to double your vitamin intake when you are on the Atkins diet.

The Atkins diet is great if you want to lose fat quickly. To keep the weight off you have to exercise and change your diet life style forever. If you keep gaining weight after dieting guess what? You have not changed your life style or just can?t admit you like being fat.

I'm mad. Does that mean Atkins would be good for me, even though I enjoy being fat (I get attention which I need). :):glugglug

If you're looking for WONDERFUL Spenda flavored syrups, try DaVinci :)

Also, the diet V8 Splash drinks have Spenda in them.

"Net Carbs"

To those in the know:Is this thing with "Net Carbs" or "Impact Carbs" a scam..or are they really telling the truth.

I've read a lot of recipes and look at a lot of ingredients in the products Atkins and other sell. They keep telling the NET CARBS are only 2 grams for example in the Atkins Advantage candy bar. Yet, when you read the ingredients listing, it shows 22 grams of carbs per bar. It shows 11 grams of that is "fiber" or dietary. And in some places, I see they list "sugar alcohols" like malitol and they tell you to subtract THAT amount of carbs from the total also to get the "real" number.

But I still wonder when I see the ads for the candy bars. 2 "net carbs"..but 22 grams of carbs and 11 grams of fiber. Take the fiber out of it..and it still leaves you with *11 grams of carbs*
Anyone want to explain this one?

Taken from the site:

"The Atkins Net Carbs Seal

We have created the Atkins Net Carbs Seal to list the number of carbs controlled carbers need to count. We?ve subtracted all carbohydrates such as fiber, glycerine and sugar alcohols, which either are not digested or are digested but do not impact blood sugar more than negligibly. While we list the percentage and number of grams of total carbohydrates on the Nutritional Facts Panel on the back of the label, the number of grams after subtracting fiber and sugar alcohols with a negligible impact on blood sugar appears in the circle, the Atkins Net Carbs Seal, on the front of the package.

Let?s take an Atkins Cookies ?n Creme Advantage Bar as an example. Along with the ingredients, the Net Carbs Seal, shown above, states that individuals following Atkins or otherwise limiting consumption of carbs need count only 2 grams of carbs per bar.

Now take a look at the Nutritional Facts Panel below. You will see the following:


http://atkinscenter.com/img/assets/6...s2_500x143.jpg


This is how the Net Carb figure is calculated:

Total Carbohydrate
22 grams

Non-Caloric and/or Non-blood Sugar Impacting Carbs
20 grams

Polydextrose/Fiber 11 grams


Glycerine 9 grams


Net Carbohydrates
2 grams

(Mainly from the soy nuggets, cocoa and residual carbs
found in the sources for the protein blend)

This is how the Net Carb figure is calculated:

Total Carbohydrate
22 grams

Non-Caloric and/or Non-blood Sugar Impacting Carbs
20 grams

Polydextrose/Fiber 11 grams


Glycerine 9 grams


Net Carbohydrates
2 grams

(Mainly from the soy nuggets, cocoa and residual carbs
found in the sources for the protein blend)


((From the Atkins website))

Whoops. Well, now it's there in stereo. :)

Ya'll really know your Atkins..hats off to ya!
So when it says dietary..that's why I'm so "regular" these days?:1orglaugh

You were 4 mins too late ;)

substracting fibers from total carbs?
ehh? Any fibers?

damn this shit is complicated. Good thing I'm not gonna do it. My GF might, but I don't think she'll have the discipline to calculate everything etc. But what's the fiber thingy?

It looks complicated but it's really easy. All you have to do is to look at the carbs count, and you substract the fiber amount (if any) and that's the approx net carbs..

Trust me, this is much easier than counting calories.

Carb counter for everything :

http://atkinscenter.com/img/assets/6...ramcounter.pdf

I did the induction and lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks then one day I went out with some friends and drank way to many beers, next day I had a huge hangover so I drank some coffee to wake my ass up, 3 days later and the weight I lost is back.

this diet is for the hardcore, you can't cheat at all, and you have to be prepared to give up beer, sugar, etc for life....

Just my :2 cents:

Ok, the 1st 2 weeks you put your body into (not sure how to spell this) keytosis, this will allow the body to burn off the carbs in your system.

You should see a big difference in your weight if you do it right in the 1st 2 weeks. My wife lost 15 lbs her first week.

Stay BELOW 20 grams of carbs! the 1st two weeks.

Also remember, no pasta, bread, and shit, there are a lot more.

Also, be careful with this diet. It is a diet for life. Once you start putting carbs back into your diet.... you will gain the weight back and then some!.

Be careful and good luck!
:thumbsup

The fuck it won't, I'm a Type 2 diabetic and I haven't had to take oral diabetes meds (Glucophage) since Day 6 of Induction. I lost 16 lbs. on Induction, 55 lbs. so far (7 months). My fasting blood glucose is 93, down from 444 when I was diagnosed, and down from 110 while on oral meds.

If you are really interested in Atkins, READ THE BOOK. You have to understand why and how it works, and you have to do it right. You DON'T have to use any of the Atkins packaged products, I am on whole foods, no packaged crap.

For anyone that says "be careful of that diet", that you'll get sick from it, or that Atkins is a quack, my primary care physician, my Endocrinologist, and my Diabetes Educator would disagree, and they know a hell more about it than what others learned from Google.

Not precisely, but that's essentially correct. Once your body has been through the 2 weeks of induction, you slowly add five grams/carbs a week. Instead of 20, you have 25 for a week, then the next week it's 30, next week 35, etc.

When you get toa point where you're not losing weight any longer, drop back five grams. Example: You've made it to 55 grams of carbs a day and stop losing weight. Cut back to 50. that amount is the amount of carbs that your body can handle and still lose weight.

Once you've reached your goal weight, add fivve more, then another five the next week, etc. until you notice a pound of weight gain or so. Cut back five again. that amount is the amount of carbs that your body can comfortably handle without gaining weight, and is the "magic number" for life. anything over that is going to cause weight gain.

It's all there on the Atkins site. :)

Again, my team of doctors disagree. I am diabetic, and my kidneys are succeptible to damage for that reason alone, and Atkins poses absolutely no increased risk for kidney damage.

It also doesn't cause gallstones or gallbladder disease.

There are no "hidden rules", read the book, or if you don't want to spend the $7, read it at the Atkins site: www.atkinscenter.com.

Centurion, you are doing great. Good luck in getting off your meds. You might also check out www.fitday.com, for tracking your daily food intake and carb/fat counts and ratios. www.atkinsfriends.com, as Tony404 suggested, has some good LC recipes.

If you don't need to lose lots of weight you can actually get many of the benefits without cutting out the carbs.

A big reason people feel better on Atkins is because a diet high in protein keeps blood sugar stable. Its low glycemic index and it takes a long time to digest.

The mistake alot of people make is following the traditional "healthy" breakfast promoted by the food/cereal industry: coffee, a big glass of orange juice, and cereal. Basically 100% carbs. It will send your blood sugar into the stratosphere.. and then you'll come crashing down a few hours later.

You can solve that problem by introducing maybe 30-40% protein to your breakfasts. You can still have the cereal and juice, but cut down on the cereal and have a small omlette as well.

An interesting experiment is to buy one of those one touch blood sugar meters at the drugstore and see what you're doing to your sugar levels. I had almost a pint of OJ this morning, and my blood sugar went from 75mmgl/dl to 155mmgl/dl in about 10 minutes. weeee!

100 :winkwink:

Tala, check out the DaVinci flavored syrups (sweetened with Splenda) ,they are even better than the Atkins syrups, and have a ton more flavors. I get them from Netrition.com. $7.95 for a 750 ml bottle.

Yeah..I've come up with several good ideas for eating.
And I have to second what you said about controlling glucose levels. My fasting levels are in the 80's..before, was around 140.

Cool! Thanks much, I'll have a peek!

Hate to shoot down all you Atkins' believers and Zonies, but if these diets were *the answer* you would never find a new diet or a new diet book on the shelves.

Doctors don't know shit about HEALTH! How many of them get medical checkups? How many exercise? How many have been on diets and gained back every pound, plus more?

Look at Oprah. That woman has tried every diet known to man, and she ALWAYS gains back the weight. She has rotten genes. She is doomed to fight a weight problem until the day she dies. Oprah was on the protein fast in 1989. She lost lots of pounds. She ended up with this tiny little body from the waist down, and her head looked HUGE. She had droopy tits. She has hired physical trainers, chefs, run marathons, and she still gains back the weight.

GET OFF YOUR FAT BUTTS AND EXERCISE! Cut out the junk food and eat small meals with good stuff. If you become an exercising fool, you will be able to eat fruit, bread, pasta, and almost anything you want within reason.

DETERMINATION...

When you are over 40, don't expect the results you would get if you were in your 20's. SORRY PERSIAN KITTY! Only bored rich people use the Zone Diet.

Okay. Sorry to bump this, but it seems like I'm soon going to go on this fucking atkins diet. I shouldn't have showed the websites etc to my GF.. that c*unt. :) Anyways.. my question:

You're supposed the count the carbs, nothing but the carbs?
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl shows all the nutritional values, right?
Then I type in avocado.
...and choose avocado, raw, california.. and per 100grams.

I get:
Carbohydrate, by difference g 6.91
Fiber, total dietary g 4.9

So if I eat exactly 100grams of it, will the value I'm intrested in be..
6.91?
or 6.91-4.9 ~2?

So 6.9 or 2?

Thanks. :)

I don't have time. I don't lack determination, but if only there were more hours in a day.

..answer me goddamnit.

Yes, it would be 2 carbs.

And go buy the book

"Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution".

You'll get recipes, a carb counter, advice and all the basics.

It's only 5$. So get the book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Yeah, my GF bought it today. But I didn't wanna just search the answer from there. :) It's easier this way.

..oh yeah, thanks.

You guys makes this all a lot more complicated than it needs to be. It's comes down to CALORIES. If you eat more calories than you take in you will gain weight. I don't care WHAT kind of calories they are. If you burn more calories than you take in you'll LOSE weight. Now you don't want to starve yourself, that will screw your metabolism up. The problem is people want everything NOW. They want to lose that 20 pounds NOW. It took YEARS to gain it, but god damn it, it has to come off NOW. everything in moderation.

All this talk about only 20 carbs a day is INSANE. ONE slice of bread has more than 20 carbs. Even if your carb intake was less than 10% of daily calories that still be 50 grams of carbs a day(based on 2000 calories a day). Then what's the other 90% made of? FAT? well not more than 30% should be that. So you're going to eat 70% PROTEIN? That's 350 grams of protien a day. Even body builders don't need that much protien.

3 pounds a week is a reasonable amount of weight to lose for a man unless you're morbidly obese, then you should be seeing a doctor or checking into a cemetary plot.

Also no matter which diet people sue the most successful dieters also were the one's that EXERCISED also. Also some weight lifting wouln't hurt since it's a known fact that for every 1 pound of muscle you put on your body you burn and extra 30 calories. Doesn't sound like much, but added up over time it is.

Someone hasn't red the book, or articles.

I've been on it for almost a year now and have lost 60 pounds. It is kind of easy after a while. Every now and then I blow it for some ice cream but usually I stay within 0 - 40 carbs a day which from what I have read is about average. Its definitely not for everybody!

This won't be a lifestyle for me (probably), as I'll quit as soon as my GF's patience with this ends. lol. :)I can't buy anything with high-carbs to our fridge, so she says. :) So, I'm sorta forced to live off eggs and meat. :1orglaugh

calories from protein don't store as fat. the important thing with protein is a steady stream of protein throughout the day. so your body doesn't use muscle for energy.