Paypal And Adult B2B - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 03-28-2003, 04:47 PM

So what's the story on Paypal now for people who aren't selling porn to surfers, just selling products(content) and services(design,programming etc)? Has Paypal halted anybody's ability take payments via Paypal?

jact · 03-28-2003, 04:49 PM

May 13th is the cutoff I do believe. And as far as content goes, it's out the door along with memberships. Anything that portrays nudity...

kristydoll · 03-28-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact
May 13th is the cutoff I do believe. And as far as content goes, it's out the door along with memberships. Anything that portrays nudity...

Do you know if that includes erotic story content?

kristy

Mutt · 03-28-2003, 04:53 PM

That sucks.

Did you speak to Paypal and get confirmation that B2B adult businesses would be prohibited? Or are people just surmising this?

NETbilling · 03-28-2003, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
So what's the story on Paypal now for people who aren't selling porn to surfers, just selling products(content) and services(design,programming etc)? Has Paypal halted anybody's ability take payments via Paypal?

Hi,

Jact is correct. Anything witrh nudity will not be allowed by Paypal any longer.
If you are a designer, programmer etc..., Netbiling can set you up with a merchant account and processing.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

ICQ: 117496436

Thank you, Mitch Farber

jact · 03-28-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kristydoll

Do you know if that includes erotic story content?

kristy

I'm not sure to be honest, I haven't heard anyone actually get a response past the basic questions. They seem to be giving cookie cutter answers to boot.

jact · 03-28-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
That sucks.

Did you speak to Paypal and get confirmation that B2B adult businesses would be prohibited? Or are people just surmising this?

Quite a few people have contacted Paypal to get confirmation (And in fact been given it). I simply read their ToS, which is quite clear about where they stand.

TheJimmy · 03-28-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

Hi,

Jact is correct. Anything witrh nudity will not be allowed by Paypal any longer.
If you are a designer, programmer etc..., Netbiling can set you up with a merchant account and processing.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

ICQ: 117496436

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Dammit Mitch, one of these days I'm gonna have to consider netbilling...I like your spammay style ;)

Seriously though....do you have heavy scrub rates? allow crossbilling? etc etc etc?

ahh hell I'll ICQ ya.....

SteveLightspeed · 03-28-2003, 04:59 PM

ok, and what are they saying about the $1500 mastercard fees they stuck up our asses a few months ago?

Are they gonna return it?

jact · 03-28-2003, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
ok, and what are they saying about the $1500 mastercard fees they stuck up our asses a few months ago?

Are they gonna return it?

They stated that in the email they sent to people affected.

NBDesign · 03-28-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

Hi,

Jact is correct. Anything witrh nudity will not be allowed by Paypal any longer.
If you are a designer, programmer etc..., Netbiling can set you up with a merchant account and processing.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

ICQ: 117496436

Thank you, Mitch Farber

And do you have the 750 visa requirement as well? That is why PayPal was good.

jact · 03-28-2003, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign

And do you have the 750 visa requirement as well? That is why PayPal was good.

Paypal had the $750 Visa requirements and also a $1000 Mastercard requirement. Weren't paying attention were we?

Imagine how badly they were getting fucked over by webmasters not properly going through channels. No wonder they're where they are today.

gothweb · 03-28-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

Hi,

Jact is correct. Anything witrh nudity will not be allowed by Paypal any longer.
If you are a designer, programmer etc..., Netbiling can set you up with a merchant account and processing.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

ICQ: 117496436

Thank you, Mitch Farber

I am not sure the first person I would listen to is someone who so obviously wants to compete with the company in question.

NBDesign · 03-28-2003, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jact

Paypal had the $750 Visa requirements and also a $1000 Mastercard requirement. Weren't paying attention were we?

Imagine how badly they were getting fucked over by webmasters not properly going through channels. No wonder they're where they are today.

No didn't see that, I do not use PayPal for adult content... I actually do not sell adult content yet. Just asking for when I do. The MasterCard is not to me too, I knew they were going to do it, didn't know it went into effect.... Thanks for the heads up. Looks like I'll be in mainstream for a bit longer..... SHIT!!!

NETbilling · 03-28-2003, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy

Dammit Mitch, one of these days I'm gonna have to consider netbilling...I like your spammay style ;)

Seriously though....do you have heavy scrub rates? allow crossbilling? etc etc etc?

ahh hell I'll ICQ ya.....

My board techniques has taken days to develope and refine. :-)

With our system,. you have complete control of the scrub modules to maximize conversions while minimizing fraud for your sites.

We do offer a member update module and you can build your custome pages to cross sell to your own sites or other Netbilling merchants.

Would you like to have a walkthrough?

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber

NETbilling · 03-28-2003, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

I am not sure the first person I would listen to is someone who so obviously wants to compete with the company in question.

gothweb,

You busted me... I am just making everything up.

Mitch

Babaganoosh · 03-28-2003, 05:26 PM

Here's the real answer right from the PayPal site:

Mature Audiences Policy

Unless you are completing a transaction on the eBay Mature Audiences site, you may not use PayPal to sell or purchase "adult" or "sexually oriented" material.

How does PayPal define "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
"Adult" or "sexually-oriented" material includes, but is not limited to:
Any visual representation of human genitals presented in such a manner as to suggest sexual activity.

Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans

Any materials which require that individuals be eighteen (18) or older (depending on the jurisdiction) to view or purchase those materials

Any non-textual materials clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader

Any items which, because of their nature or because of the item description, appear to be designed for use in sexual/adult activity

Any items which dhahahahat human sexual characteristics in a degrading fashion

Any item that portrays frontal nudity will normally be treated as "adult" material
What is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
Material that is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" includes but is not limited to:
That which is a small and insignificant part of a catalog, book, periodical, or other work which is not, as a whole, primarily devoted to sexual matters

Books or other text without pictures, as long as the material is not obscene, even if designed to sexually arouse the reader

Pieces of artwork that may be considered fine art-such as certain paintings, carvings, figurines and other similar materials. Examples include, but are not limited to, Michelangelo's David, certain (but not all) vintage pinup art, a renaissance-style painting of a nude female, or nude cherubs in the form of human infants (in the style of Raphael)
Can material containing nudity ever be sold using PayPal?
Yes. As long as the material containing nudity is not considered "adult" (as defined above) and fits into one of the categories below, you may use PayPal to sell the material, and you may sell or advertise such material on your website listed in PayPal Shops:
Movies & Videos
PayPal permits the sale of movies that may be viewed by individuals age 17 and under to be listed in this category. This includes movies rated PG, PG-13, and R, which often contain some nudity or sexual situations

Collectible Risqué Postcards
PayPal permits the sale of postcards that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in postcards may be topless, scantily clothed, or in mildly suggestive poses, any postcards sold using PayPal should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these postcards should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic postcards, and postcards that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy

Collectible Pin Up Art
PayPal permits the sale of pinups that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in pinups may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these items should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic pin-ups, and pin-ups that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy

Pre-1980 Adult Magazines
PayPal permits the sale of old adult-oriented magazines that have become collectible for their mixture of nudity, journalism, and art. The only magazines included in this category are Playboy, Playgirl and Penthouse magazines which were printed before 1980

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell newer (post-1980) adult-oriented magazines if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy

Pre-1940 Risqué Photographs
PayPal permits the sale of photographic images that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" as defined above. While persons portrayed in these photographs may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. In addition, these items should be published prior to 1940, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell risqué photographs that portray genitalia, pornographic photographs, and post-1940 photographs if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy

Risqué Gag Gifts & Novelties
PayPal permits the sale of certain types of adult novelty items. Such items may include various types of toys, collectibles, or food items in the shape of genitalia primarily intended for adult buyers (unless the item requires the buyer to be 18 in order to purchase.) Examples of items that are permitted include soaps, certain food items (such as pasta or candy) and key chains

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell gag gifts and novelties which do not meet the above requirements, if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy. These items may include, but are not limited to: items which are intended for use in a sexual setting (such as "bondage" and "fetish" items), items which display sexual activity or portray human genitalia in a "life-like" or realistic fashion, and vibrators intended for use in sexual activity (as opposed to ordinary massagers)

Mutt · 03-28-2003, 05:47 PM

that sounds though like it's meant for businesses which sell to consumers.

Guess I better email or call and ask them specifically if this policy definitely applies to business 2 business.

gothweb · 03-28-2003, 05:52 PM

Gotta love what we are seeing here. EBay buys PayPal, and makes a "moral" stand. However, the main exception to that moral stand is anything that EBay makes a profit off of. Nice.

gothweb · 03-28-2003, 05:53 PM

I am hoping that "Services" and "Quasi-cash" transactions will not be policed as much. Still, I am considering going to checks-only for my content shop. I can't imagine what PayPal hopes to gain from this move.

Mutt · 03-28-2003, 06:25 PM

Where are the definitions of 'Services' and 'Quasi-Cash' Ian?

also when you say you might go to checks only - are you talking about online check processing or people sending u checks? Do u use Netbilling for checks?

american pervert · 03-28-2003, 06:43 PM

how does paypal know what you sell (if its content) unless you tell them???

I wouldn't worry too much.. the sky isn't falling..

Kimmykim · 03-28-2003, 06:59 PM

How did I know we'd see a Mitch spam in this thread...

gothweb · 03-28-2003, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Where are the definitions of 'Services' and 'Quasi-Cash' Ian?

also when you say you might go to checks only - are you talking about online check processing or people sending u checks? Do u use Netbilling for checks?

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I generally do large orders, and they don't come in very often. So I was thinking purely accepting checks by mail/fedex.

gothweb · 03-28-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
How did I know we'd see a Mitch spam in this thread...

Because it's a day ending in "Y"?

03-28-2003, 04:47 PM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Paypal And Adult B2B So what's the story on Paypal now for people who aren't selling porn to surfers, just selling products(content) and services(design,programming etc)? Has Paypal halted anybody's ability take payments via Paypal? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-28-2003, 04:49 PM	#2
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	May 13th is the cutoff I do believe. And as far as content goes, it's out the door along with memberships. Anything that portrays nudity... __________________ Free agent

03-28-2003, 04:53 PM	#4
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	That sucks. Did you speak to Paypal and get confirmation that B2B adult businesses would be prohibited? Or are people just surmising this? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-28-2003, 05:26 PM	#17
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Here's the real answer right from the PayPal site: Mature Audiences Policy Unless you are completing a transaction on the eBay Mature Audiences site, you may not use PayPal to sell or purchase "adult" or "sexually oriented" material. How does PayPal define "adult" or "sexually oriented" material? "Adult" or "sexually-oriented" material includes, but is not limited to: Any visual representation of human genitals presented in such a manner as to suggest sexual activity. Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans Any materials which require that individuals be eighteen (18) or older (depending on the jurisdiction) to view or purchase those materials Any non-textual materials clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader Any items which, because of their nature or because of the item description, appear to be designed for use in sexual/adult activity Any items which dhahahahat human sexual characteristics in a degrading fashion Any item that portrays frontal nudity will normally be treated as "adult" material What is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" material? Material that is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" includes but is not limited to: That which is a small and insignificant part of a catalog, book, periodical, or other work which is not, as a whole, primarily devoted to sexual matters Books or other text without pictures, as long as the material is not obscene, even if designed to sexually arouse the reader Pieces of artwork that may be considered fine art-such as certain paintings, carvings, figurines and other similar materials. Examples include, but are not limited to, Michelangelo's David, certain (but not all) vintage pinup art, a renaissance-style painting of a nude female, or nude cherubs in the form of human infants (in the style of Raphael) Can material containing nudity ever be sold using PayPal? Yes. As long as the material containing nudity is not considered "adult" (as defined above) and fits into one of the categories below, you may use PayPal to sell the material, and you may sell or advertise such material on your website listed in PayPal Shops: Movies & Videos PayPal permits the sale of movies that may be viewed by individuals age 17 and under to be listed in this category. This includes movies rated PG, PG-13, and R, which often contain some nudity or sexual situations Collectible Risqué Postcards PayPal permits the sale of postcards that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in postcards may be topless, scantily clothed, or in mildly suggestive poses, any postcards sold using PayPal should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these postcards should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic postcards, and postcards that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy Collectible Pin Up Art PayPal permits the sale of pinups that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in pinups may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these items should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic pin-ups, and pin-ups that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy Pre-1980 Adult Magazines PayPal permits the sale of old adult-oriented magazines that have become collectible for their mixture of nudity, journalism, and art. The only magazines included in this category are Playboy, Playgirl and Penthouse magazines which were printed before 1980 You may only use PayPal to buy or sell newer (post-1980) adult-oriented magazines if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy Pre-1940 Risqué Photographs PayPal permits the sale of photographic images that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" as defined above. While persons portrayed in these photographs may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. In addition, these items should be published prior to 1940, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication You may only use PayPal to buy or sell risqué photographs that portray genitalia, pornographic photographs, and post-1940 photographs if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy Risqué Gag Gifts & Novelties PayPal permits the sale of certain types of adult novelty items. Such items may include various types of toys, collectibles, or food items in the shape of genitalia primarily intended for adult buyers (unless the item requires the buyer to be 18 in order to purchase.) Examples of items that are permitted include soaps, certain food items (such as pasta or candy) and key chains You may only use PayPal to buy or sell gag gifts and novelties which do not meet the above requirements, if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy. These items may include, but are not limited to: items which are intended for use in a sexual setting (such as "bondage" and "fetish" items), items which display sexual activity or portray human genitalia in a "life-like" or realistic fashion, and vibrators intended for use in sexual activity (as opposed to ordinary massagers) __________________ I like pie.

03-28-2003, 05:47 PM	#18
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	that sounds though like it's meant for businesses which sell to consumers. Guess I better email or call and ask them specifically if this policy definitely applies to business 2 business. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-28-2003, 04:59 PM	#9
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	ok, and what are they saying about the $1500 mastercard fees they stuck up our asses a few months ago? Are they gonna return it?

03-28-2003, 05:52 PM	#19
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Gotta love what we are seeing here. EBay buys PayPal, and makes a "moral" stand. However, the main exception to that moral stand is anything that EBay makes a profit off of. Nice. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

03-28-2003, 05:53 PM	#20
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I am hoping that "Services" and "Quasi-cash" transactions will not be policed as much. Still, I am considering going to checks-only for my content shop. I can't imagine what PayPal hopes to gain from this move. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

03-28-2003, 06:25 PM	#21
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Where are the definitions of 'Services' and 'Quasi-Cash' Ian? also when you say you might go to checks only - are you talking about online check processing or people sending u checks? Do u use Netbilling for checks? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-28-2003, 06:43 PM	#22
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	how does paypal know what you sell (if its content) unless you tell them??? I wouldn't worry too much.. the sky isn't falling.. __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

03-28-2003, 06:59 PM	#23
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	How did I know we'd see a Mitch spam in this thread...