Paypal And Adult B2B
 

So what's the story on Paypal now for people who aren't selling porn to surfers, just selling products(content) and services(design,programming etc)? Has Paypal halted anybody's ability take payments via Paypal?

May 13th is the cutoff I do believe. And as far as content goes, it's out the door along with memberships. Anything that portrays nudity...

Do you know if that includes erotic story content?

kristy

That sucks.

Did you speak to Paypal and get confirmation that B2B adult businesses would be prohibited? Or are people just surmising this?

Hi,

Jact is correct. Anything witrh nudity will not be allowed by Paypal any longer.
If you are a designer, programmer etc..., Netbiling can set you up with a merchant account and processing.

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Thank you, Mitch Farber

I'm not sure to be honest, I haven't heard anyone actually get a response past the basic questions. They seem to be giving cookie cutter answers to boot.

Quite a few people have contacted Paypal to get confirmation (And in fact been given it). I simply read their ToS, which is quite clear about where they stand.

Dammit Mitch, one of these days I'm gonna have to consider netbilling...I like your spammay style ;)

:thumbsup :thumbsup


Seriously though....do you have heavy scrub rates? allow crossbilling? etc etc etc?

ahh hell I'll ICQ ya.....

ok, and what are they saying about the $1500 mastercard fees they stuck up our asses a few months ago?

Are they gonna return it?

They stated that in the email they sent to people affected.

And do you have the 750 visa requirement as well? That is why PayPal was good.

Paypal had the $750 Visa requirements and also a $1000 Mastercard requirement. Weren't paying attention were we? :1orglaugh

Imagine how badly they were getting fucked over by webmasters not properly going through channels. No wonder they're where they are today.

I am not sure the first person I would listen to is someone who so obviously wants to compete with the company in question.

No didn't see that, I do not use PayPal for adult content... I actually do not sell adult content yet. Just asking for when I do. The MasterCard is not to me too, I knew they were going to do it, didn't know it went into effect.... Thanks for the heads up. Looks like I'll be in mainstream for a bit longer..... SHIT!!!

My board techniques has taken days to develope and refine. :-)

With our system,. you have complete control of the scrub modules to maximize conversions while minimizing fraud for your sites.

We do offer a member update module and you can build your custome pages to cross sell to your own sites or other Netbilling merchants.

Would you like to have a walkthrough?

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Thank you, Mitch Farber

gothweb,

You busted me... I am just making everything up.

:Graucho

Mitch

Here's the real answer right from the PayPal site:


Mature Audiences Policy




Unless you are completing a transaction on the eBay Mature Audiences site, you may not use PayPal to sell or purchase "adult" or "sexually oriented" material.

How does PayPal define "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
"Adult" or "sexually-oriented" material includes, but is not limited to:
Any visual representation of human genitals presented in such a manner as to suggest sexual activity.


Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans


Any materials which require that individuals be eighteen (18) or older (depending on the jurisdiction) to view or purchase those materials


Any non-textual materials clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader


Any items which, because of their nature or because of the item description, appear to be designed for use in sexual/adult activity


Any items which dhahahahat human sexual characteristics in a degrading fashion


Any item that portrays frontal nudity will normally be treated as "adult" material
What is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
Material that is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" includes but is not limited to:
That which is a small and insignificant part of a catalog, book, periodical, or other work which is not, as a whole, primarily devoted to sexual matters


Books or other text without pictures, as long as the material is not obscene, even if designed to sexually arouse the reader


Pieces of artwork that may be considered fine art-such as certain paintings, carvings, figurines and other similar materials. Examples include, but are not limited to, Michelangelo's David, certain (but not all) vintage pinup art, a renaissance-style painting of a nude female, or nude cherubs in the form of human infants (in the style of Raphael)
Can material containing nudity ever be sold using PayPal?
Yes. As long as the material containing nudity is not considered "adult" (as defined above) and fits into one of the categories below, you may use PayPal to sell the material, and you may sell or advertise such material on your website listed in PayPal Shops:
Movies & Videos
PayPal permits the sale of movies that may be viewed by individuals age 17 and under to be listed in this category. This includes movies rated PG, PG-13, and R, which often contain some nudity or sexual situations


Collectible Risqué Postcards
PayPal permits the sale of postcards that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in postcards may be topless, scantily clothed, or in mildly suggestive poses, any postcards sold using PayPal should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these postcards should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic postcards, and postcards that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy


Collectible Pin Up Art
PayPal permits the sale of pinups that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" (as defined above). While persons portrayed in pinups may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. Because this category is for collectibles, these items should be at least 10 years old, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell materials that portray genitalia, pornographic pin-ups, and pin-ups that are less than 10 years old if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy


Pre-1980 Adult Magazines
PayPal permits the sale of old adult-oriented magazines that have become collectible for their mixture of nudity, journalism, and art. The only magazines included in this category are Playboy, Playgirl and Penthouse magazines which were printed before 1980

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell newer (post-1980) adult-oriented magazines if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy


Pre-1940 Risqué Photographs
PayPal permits the sale of photographic images that contain some nudity but are not "adult" or "sexually oriented" as defined above. While persons portrayed in these photographs may be topless, scantily clothed or in mildly suggestive poses, the pin ups in this category should not dhahahahat male or female genitalia (frontal nudity below the waist) or strong sexual content. In addition, these items should be published prior to 1940, and the description of the item should include the approximate year of publication

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell risqué photographs that portray genitalia, pornographic photographs, and post-1940 photographs if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy


Risqué Gag Gifts & Novelties
PayPal permits the sale of certain types of adult novelty items. Such items may include various types of toys, collectibles, or food items in the shape of genitalia primarily intended for adult buyers (unless the item requires the buyer to be 18 in order to purchase.) Examples of items that are permitted include soaps, certain food items (such as pasta or candy) and key chains

You may only use PayPal to buy or sell gag gifts and novelties which do not meet the above requirements, if you list these items in the eBay Mature Audiences section, subject to eBay's Mature Audiences policy. These items may include, but are not limited to: items which are intended for use in a sexual setting (such as "bondage" and "fetish" items), items which display sexual activity or portray human genitalia in a "life-like" or realistic fashion, and vibrators intended for use in sexual activity (as opposed to ordinary massagers)

that sounds though like it's meant for businesses which sell to consumers.

Guess I better email or call and ask them specifically if this policy definitely applies to business 2 business.

Gotta love what we are seeing here. EBay buys PayPal, and makes a "moral" stand. However, the main exception to that moral stand is anything that EBay makes a profit off of. Nice.

I am hoping that "Services" and "Quasi-cash" transactions will not be policed as much. Still, I am considering going to checks-only for my content shop. I can't imagine what PayPal hopes to gain from this move.

Where are the definitions of 'Services' and 'Quasi-Cash' Ian?

also when you say you might go to checks only - are you talking about online check processing or people sending u checks? Do u use Netbilling for checks?

how does paypal know what you sell (if its content) unless you tell them???



I wouldn't worry too much.. the sky isn't falling..

How did I know we'd see a Mitch spam in this thread...

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I generally do large orders, and they don't come in very often. So I was thinking purely accepting checks by mail/fedex.

Because it's a day ending in "Y"?