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FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Okay, I see you misunderstood and have a problem with my use of the word "But"......


Problem is... YOU misunderstood. Not me, YOU. Therefore the problem is with you my friend. Why jump to stupid conclusions and cock off with empty threats when what YOU think I meant isn't what I meant?

Fact is, I have family who came from those provinces. I only said "But" because I know that I am talking mostly to Americans here, and I was stressing that although these 8 guys are US marines, they in fact ARE from Canada. That's it, that's all.

As in - "They are US marines, BUT they are from...."

So put away your foolish threats and try asking what someone means before beakin' off at them.

ok if you meant more along the lines of but they're canadians and not making it sound like people from the maritimes are shit and don't represent real canadians, then i don't have a problem with it. choose your words a bit more carefully in the future. you really made it stand out that they may have been canadians but they were from nb and ns by putting it on a seperate line as if you were emphasizing it.

it was you who made the initial threat, i simply told you to fuck off.

directfiesta 03-26-2003 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I've also heard that Montreal has quite the history for protesting just about anything imaginable.

Any comment?

We were trained at Kent University.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
ok if you meant more along the lines of but they're canadians and not making it sound like people from the maritimes are shit and don't represent real canadians, then i don't have a problem with it. choose your words a bit more carefully in the future. you really made it stand out that they may have been canadians but they were from nb and ns by putting it on a seperate line as if you were emphasizing it.

it was you who made the initial threat, i simply told you to fuck off.

Try saying the words "What do you mean?" next time. Most times, shit like this isn't worth causing a fuckus about, and it is plainly obvious from my posts that I am in support of what those Canadians are doing so my meaning was not all that ambiguous.



You've been quick to jump on me before, and if you continue to do so my invitation stands. If you're going to puff your toughness everywhere, shaddap and prove it. Otherwise try playing nice.

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 01:01 PM

Guys, it's easy to misunderstand someone on a message board.

Kiss and make up.

It's silly to argue about words when you both believe the same thing.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by unconnected
That second article is complete bullshit..
Canadians do not support this.. In montreal there have been anti-war rallies bigger than those held in Toronto, Washington, LA, Paris, and New York Combined.. Almost 70% of the people here in Quebec are against this war, and I think it is the same all over the country..
So anyone saying that Canadians support this war has their heads up their ass..

For the record, this "unconnected" guy has proven himself to be a complete retard on many past discussions and arguments. If any doesn't see things his way they automatically "have their head up their ass"...... he once even tried to tell me (on another board) that he would welcome Russia invading the USA. You gotta love his tenacity though.



Fact is, this dipshit neither speaks for all Quebecers nor does he have a clue what the rest of Canada thinks. Not even a trace of a clue. I have many relatives that are from Quebec and have lived there for generations, and many of them wonder about our PM's decisions lately. As for the rest of Canada, I wouldn't put the anti-American sentiment at anywhere CLOSE to 70%. I would put it at maybe dead even at worst, but I think that the majority of Canadians support the removal of Saddam's crew, and we support the coalition forces and wish that Canada was a part of it.


The protestors in Canadian cities are no better informed than those in the US, and many are of course protesting simply because it's the cool thing to do right now. It's an empty protest, because no one WANTS war, most people would have been overjoyed if Saddam had of complied with UN sanctions, 1441 etc. He didn't, war has begun, deal with it and move on.

sherie 03-26-2003 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy



I totally agree, but I think most of us know that the Canadian PEOPLE are our allies, but atm the Canadian GOVERNMENT is not :/

Hopefully in their next elections they'll inform him of this...

That's one of the issues, the fuckwit is done in less than 8 months and he will not be up for re-election!!

He has represented us poorly, and for that I am embarrassed!

directfiesta 03-26-2003 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith

The protestors in Canadian cities are no better informed than those in the US, and many are of course protesting simply because it's the cool thing to do right now. It's an empty protest, because no one WANTS war, most people would have been overjoyed if Saddam had of complied with UN sanctions, 1441 etc. He didn't, war has begun, deal with it and move on.

Protestors are all idiots!
:thumbsup

L0stMind 03-26-2003 01:56 PM

I have to pipe in as a Canadian...

Chretien is an idiot. Our country has had very little growth under his government. I would love to see a change but I doubt that any other current potential PM would be much better (sad times).

While I am still unsure whether or not all out war was warranted, I firmly believe that Canada should support the coalition forces in Iraq. Full support. It feels like a family affair out there... and for some reason we are still at home.

And besides, relations with the US were already strained and tense... from softwood lumber to potentially allowing terrorists into the USA (however much that may have been hyped up by the media), the attitude towards Canada by the average US citizen has gotten much worse then I ever thought possible.

And while Canada has been bringing in more business from across the pacific lately, I still believe we need to have take advanatage of our natural trading position with the US to grow. Diversify and expand.

A side note on the demonstrators I have seen... all a bunch of hippies out to make a point and a bunch of punks there to riot. Neither group of people even understand the situation I think. Both groups are demonstrating for the social aspect - hippies to get together and share love and hug trees, and young punks to riot and get rowdy...

but according to Controlthy, I should move out of Canada, and 12clicks doesnt care cuz I am a Canadian and beneath notice... I luv this place :)

CDSmith 03-26-2003 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


Protestors are all idiots!
:thumbsup

Not true. It is perfectly fine to be anti-war, because no one in their right mind actually WANTS war. It is only those that can't see where there's a valid reason to stand up and fight for what is right that need a smack upside the head. Those that are so unreasonable as to be calling their president "hitler" etc are the walking uninformed.

directfiesta 03-26-2003 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Not true. It is perfectly fine to be anti-war, because no one in their right mind actually WANTS war. It is only those that can't see where there's a valid reason to stand up and fight for what is right that need a smack upside the head. Those that are so unreasonable as to be calling their president "hitler" etc are the walking uninformed.
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Originally posted by directfiesta


Protestors are all idiots!
Sorry, I will correct:

Protestors are all blind. :winkwink:

gigi 03-26-2003 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
all that socialism leads to having no spine. They should have at least sent some troops to help.
Canada has sent troops to Afghanistan to relieve US troops from Afghan duty so they can fight in Iraq.....

What spews out of Chretien's mouth isn't necessarily true.....he DOES and HAS supported the Iraq War...whether it was directly, or indirectly...makes no difference IMO.

FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Try saying the words "What do you mean?" next time. Most times, shit like this isn't worth causing a fuckus about, and it is plainly obvious from my posts that I am in support of what those Canadians are doing so my meaning was not all that ambiguous.



You've been quick to jump on me before, and if you continue to do so my invitation stands. If you're going to puff your toughness everywhere, shaddap and prove it. Otherwise try playing nice.

prove it? you want me to jump on my bike and drive to manitoba? my wrists would be a bit sore...

CDSmith 03-26-2003 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
prove it? you want me to jump on my bike and drive to manitoba? my wrists would be a bit sore...
Then I guess your only choice is to play nice, EH?



Take your time, it'll come to you.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 07:30 PM

Further to: the topic... apparently and not surprisingly... it's not over.

Look here: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/26/libscellucci030326" TARGET="_blank"><b>Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador</b></a>
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This isn't the first time Cellucci (the U.S. Ambassador) has criticized Canadian policy. In the past he has complained that the Chrétien government doesn't spend enough money on defence.
Horror of HORRORS! You mean someone <i>dared</i> to suggest that Canada doesn't have a sufficiently-funded military???!

OMG!! Alert the press!

FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Then I guess your only choice is to play nice, EH?



Take your time, it'll come to you.

i only play nice when i want to

LadyMischief 03-26-2003 07:33 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, our PM is an assmunch who should be dragged into the street along with his entire fucking party and beaten bloody with rubber farm animals.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 07:34 PM

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Thirty-six Liberals lined up to speak in caucus, after an Ontario MP argued Canada should lodge a formal protest.

One camp argued the ambassador crossed the line, behaving more like a partisan politician than a diplomat. Some even argued he should be recalled.

In the other camp were MPs who think he was only responding to the anti-American comments by Liberals: cabinet minister Herb Dhaliwal calling President George W. Bush a failed statesman, and MP Carolyn Parrish calling all Americans "bastards."
no comment needed.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 07:38 PM

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Chrétien reminded the Commons that Canadians took in 40,000 Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks; that Canada has contributed to the war on terrorism by sending troops to Afghanistan and ships to the Arabian Sea. Canada, he said, will also contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq.
Let's hope it's enough mr Prime Minister.

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 07:41 PM

Contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq? Does that mean he'll be looking for UN issued contracts?

Figures...

CDSmith 03-26-2003 07:43 PM

It probably means that we will send in peacekeeping forces, specialty teams for disaster aid, and also a ton of building supplies, food, clothing, and personnel to assist with the entire coalition post-war operation.

FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq? Does that mean he'll be looking for UN issued contracts?

Figures...

i just seen on a news break that canada's gonna put up 100 mil to help rebuild iraq.

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana


i just seen on a news break that canada's gonna put up 100 mil to help rebuild iraq.

Ok, cool.

I keep getting mixed signals here. Have been reading some articles from Canadian news sources. And it almost looks like Canada is supporting this "war", just doesn't want to admit it.

What's your take?

gigi 03-26-2003 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ok, cool.

I keep getting mixed signals here. Have been reading some articles from Canadian news sources. And it almost looks like Canada is supporting this "war", just doesn't want to admit it.

What's your take?

You got it pontiac..... :thumbsup

FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Ok, cool.

I keep getting mixed signals here. Have been reading some articles from Canadian news sources. And it almost looks like Canada is supporting this "war", just doesn't want to admit it.

What's your take?

trying to look good globally while not pissing off americans.

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by gigi


You got it pontiac..... :thumbsup

That's disgusting.

What a pussy.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 08:13 PM

This is Canada's official position:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/canada/canada_role.html

CDSmith 03-26-2003 08:17 PM

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The Ekos Research poll showed 41 per cent of Canadians are against an attack, while 40 per cent remain in favour. In Quebec, the support for joining in an American attack drops dramatically to only 23 per cent. In Alberta, that numbers shoots up to 57 per cent. Even more interesting: while more than half the country sees "the greatest threat" as being Saddam Hussein, another 38 per cent say George W. Bush is the one to worry about.
That IS interesting.

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 08:23 PM

What I find interesting is many people and nations across the globe feel Saddam is a threat and needs to be taken out, yet they refuse to back an invasion simply because some glorified body didn't name the invasion "ok".

Does anyone else find this funny? Someone needs to make your opinion "ok" in order for you to defend it?

The resolution didn't pass simply because of a few countries with veto power, as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong. So because of these few countries, who coincidentally have large business dealings with Iraq, the world decides not to support an invasion even though they think Saddam needs to go.

Doesn't this jump out at anyone else? If Canada is worried about the legitimacy of the UN, as the latest article states, then they should definitely be concerned about the veto powers of "interested" nations.

sacX 03-26-2003 08:24 PM

people can support regime removal but not the means that have been followed to achieve it.
What you gung-ho war people consistently over look is that people in the rest of the world
were never against war, they just wanted it to be a last resort.

You say 'blah blah 12 years worth of resolutions'. The reality is that Iraq only came back to public
attention because of US efforts, they got weapon inspectors re-instated to Iraq but NEVER intended to listen
to what they said. This was very hypocritical, and caused a lot of mistrust in many countries.

The US said they wanted to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, they neglected
to say that they wanted regime change and would settle for nothing less (again deceiving the international community)

The weapon inspectors didn't have a timetable of years, in fact they said their job could be done in three months.. The US couldn't wait three months, not because Saddam was an imminent threat, but because of logistical reasons (maybe practical but not the best moral reason for starting a war)..

The reason people are anti-GWB and his cronies is simple. We don't trust them.

Now I haven't heard one person say the Iraqi people wouldn't be better off without Saddam. It is sad
that the Arab world sees the civilians dying and blame the US, when thousands(or more) died under Saddam
and they said nothing.

I just hope there is a swift successful resolution to this now the path has been chosen.

FlyingIguana 03-26-2003 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
What I find interesting is many people and nations across the globe feel Saddam is a threat and needs to be taken out, yet they refuse to back an invasion simply because some glorified body didn't name the invasion "ok".

Does anyone else find this funny? Someone needs to make your opinion "ok" in order for you to defend it?

The resolution didn't pass simply because of a few countries with veto power, as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong. So because of these few countries, who coincidentally have large business dealings with Iraq, the world decides not to support an invasion even though they think Saddam needs to go.

Doesn't this jump out at anyone else? If Canada is worried about the legitimacy of the UN, as the latest article states, then they should definitely be concerned about the veto powers of "interested" nations.

the biggest problem that people who are totally against a war have is the potential civilian casualties.

Fletch XXX 03-26-2003 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by sacX


You say 'blah blah 12 years worth of resolutions'.

<a href=http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/13/senate.iraq.vote/>U.S. Senate calls for war crimes trial for Saddam Hussein</a>

March 13, 1998

gigi 03-26-2003 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

That's disgusting.

What a pussy.

Yup...

sacX 03-26-2003 08:32 PM

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The resolution didn't pass simply because of a few countries with veto power, as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong
It didn't pass because they didn't have the numbers, so it didn't get voted on. France threatened to veto it, but if the US had the numbers then forcing France to use their veto would have been useful because it would show that France was in the minority.

Also Tony Blair didn't want to have it voted on and lose, because it wouldn't have gone down well with the British public

Sly_RJ 03-26-2003 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana


the biggest problem that people who are totally against a war have is the potential civilian casualties.

Totally understandable. It's a concern of mine as well. Hey, I don't want these people dying any more than the peace protesters in San Francisco.

But, at the same time I realize how many civilians are already dying because of a brutal regime.

You can have a few hundred/thousand civilian deaths today, or a few hundred thousand deaths tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after.

I don't want any flames about "liberating Iraq". Hey, I actually want it to happen. It just so happens that several administrations want something done about Iraq as well. Although I do feel liberation is one of those factors, I'm not naive enough to believe it's the main factor. It's not. But, at the same time, isn't the liberation worth it?

sacX 03-26-2003 08:36 PM

FletchXXX what's your point? that link is from 5 years ago, and it says it was large symbolic.

ChrisH 03-26-2003 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana


ok if you meant more along the lines of but they're canadians and not making it sound like people from the maritimes are shit and don't represent real canadians, then i don't have a problem with it. choose your words a bit more carefully in the future. you really made it stand out that they may have been canadians but they were from nb and ns by putting it on a seperate line as if you were emphasizing it.

it was you who made the initial threat, i simply told you to fuck off.

I thought Americans had problems within the States. But you canucks beat out our animosity between your provinces hands down. :1orglaugh

Disclaimer: Not in any way meant as an insult.

Cogitator 03-26-2003 09:23 PM

Isn't Chretien french for "cretin"?

directfiesta 03-26-2003 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Cogitator
Isn't Chretien french for "cretin"?
No, cretin is Moron... that you own with your " schrub"

Chretien is Christian....

Fletch XXX 03-26-2003 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by sacX
that link is from 5 years ago.
exactly.

directfiesta 03-26-2003 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana


i just seen on a news break that canada's gonna put up 100 mil to help rebuild iraq.

Not rebuild, 100 mil for " humanitarian aid".

Rebuild is the task of US/UK according to international law...

Just like in a store:

"you break it, you pay it"!


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