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Paraskass · 03-25-2003, 10:21 PM

When I am trading traffic. Should I drop lower prod trades even though I am getting more traffic from them than sending back.

Say I have a trade sending me 100% prod, which sucks (my average is 300%)

but i am getting 75 in for 25 out, should I kill it or keep it?

Turboface · 03-25-2003, 10:21 PM

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Paraskass · 03-25-2003, 10:23 PM

Turboface · 03-25-2003, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paraskass
I am getting 75 in for 25 out, should I kill it or keep it?

That sounds like a productive trade. You just need to get bigger ones like that and you'll be set.

Paraskass · 03-25-2003, 10:27 PM

ok so does anyone second this opinion:

"I should keep lower prod trades as long as I am getting more in than am sending out."

or

"I should only keep trades with good prod"

lil2rich4u2 · 03-25-2003, 10:28 PM

keep it

ANYTIME your trade is "CLICKING" more than your sending to him, KEEP IT!!!

Even if you send him 500, but he sends back 350, and has 650 clicks

Paraskass · 03-25-2003, 10:29 PM

i should worry about the ROO right, beeing:

ROO stands for Return On Outs and is the overall value of a trade. It takes how many you have sent OUT to a trade, how many you have received IN and how productive (# of clicks) that trade generated

A ROO of 100% means you are just breaking even with a trade. ROO only goes to 999% and will display a >999% for trades above that

lil2rich4u2 · 03-25-2003, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paraskass
ok so does anyone second this opinion:

"I should keep lower prod trades as long as I am getting more in than am sending out."

or

"I should only keep trades with good prod"

BOTH are wrong!

What if you send him 300, he sends you 500 but has 200 clicks?

Your losing 100 in the mix

What if you send him 300, he sends you 100 but has productivity of 200%?

Dump it, your losing 100 in the mix ...

Catch my thinking here?

rowan · 03-25-2003, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paraskass
Say I have a trade sending me 100% prod, which sucks (my average is 300%)

but i am getting 75 in for 25 out, should I kill it or keep it?

That's 75 clicks still, same as 25 in and 300% prod.

Keep it, maybe try forcing some extra to see if it grows.

rowan · 03-25-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
keep it

ANYTIME your trade is "CLICKING" more than your sending to him, KEEP IT!!!

Even if you send him 500, but he sends back 350, and has 650 clicks

Disagree. If your skim is 70%, then out of those 650 clicks only 195 will go out to trades... and you've sent him 500 clicks out.

Lane · 03-25-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
keep it

ANYTIME your trade is "CLICKING" more than your sending to him, KEEP IT!!!

Even if you send him 500, but he sends back 350, and has 650 clicks

yea. thats pretty much what to look at

Snake Doctor · 03-25-2003, 11:06 PM

So basically you guys are saying look at "clicks in" vs "clicks out" rather than the raw and unique stuff?

For instance, if a trade has 300% productivity, but isn't sending enough traffic back to equal the clicks I'm sending them, then I'm getting hosed.

And if a trade sends a truckload of uniques, but those uniques produce less clicks than I send to the trade then I'm getting hosed?

Choker · 03-25-2003, 11:11 PM

LOL, I just posted this on my board ...

1. Trades are a dime a dozen. Don't waste your time fucking around with any single trade. If a trade wants to die let it. It's no big deal.

2. Don't force to trades other than to send them a few hits to get the trade started. If you send 100 hits and they don't return any, just turn the force off. Forcing to trades other than for starting trades is the biggest mistake you can make. If the only way to keep a trade alive is to force to it, then it's not worth keeping.

3. A trades productivity is not as important as you may think. The "Q" factor is most important. IE

Trade A you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 1000 back and 1000 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 100% and His "Q" is 1.00

Trade B you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 250 back and 750 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 300% and his "Q" is .75

I would take trades like A over B any day all day long. What really matters is how many hits did you send a trade in order for him to send back enough traffic to produce X amount of clicks on your site?

4. Don't sit on your stats all day refreshing them. Sheer will is not going to make your stats any better. Spend your time making more TGP's , galleries, or whatever it is you do best.

5. Don't delete trades because their traffic has low productivity. Go back up and read item #3 above. I only delete trades that do not send me any hits in a 24 hour period.

Paraskass · 03-25-2003, 11:19 PM

thanks

Snake Doctor · 03-25-2003, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

5. Don't delete trades because their traffic has low productivity. Go back up and read item #3 above. I only delete trades that do not send me any hits in a 24 hour period.

Are you trading based on uniques or based on productivity?
For instance if a guy sends me 1000 hits and only 300 clicks, if I'm trading based on uniques I'll send him 1000 (or more) back to get 300 clicks, and those are hits that could have been sent to other trades that are more productive.

Spunky · 03-25-2003, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
LOL, I just posted this on my board ...

1. Trades are a dime a dozen. Don't waste your time fucking around with any single trade. If a trade wants to die let it. It's no big deal.

2. Don't force to trades other than to send them a few hits to get the trade started. If you send 100 hits and they don't return any, just turn the force off. Forcing to trades other than for starting trades is the biggest mistake you can make. If the only way to keep a trade alive is to force to it, then it's not worth keeping.

3. A trades productivity is not as important as you may think. The "Q" factor is most important. IE

Trade A you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 1000 back and 1000 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 100% and His "Q" is 1.00

Trade B you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 250 back and 750 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 300% and his "Q" is .75

I would take trades like A over B any day all day long. What really matters is how many hits did you send a trade in order for him to send back enough traffic to produce X amount of clicks on your site?

4. Don't sit on your stats all day refreshing them. Sheer will is not going to make your stats any better. Spend your time making more TGP's , galleries, or whatever it is you do best.

5. Don't delete trades because their traffic has low productivity. Go back up and read item #3 above. I only delete trades that do not send me any hits in a 24 hour period.

Yup I have to totally agree on this,and have been using this type of logic for about 5 years.Too many production hounds that panic and drop you if you arent over 100%.Yes that would be great in the real world but locating such fantastic ratios is very rare nowadays.I drop trades constanly and just find new ones daily.If they send me traffic and somewhat decent they are in until they decide not to send me any.As long as they are somewhat productive then no problem..Let em ride...Yea you get "well your traffic is shit that you need bla bla production to be sucessful in order to grow" Then all the power to them finding those productive trades,yes they are out there but I dont have time to search for weeks on end just for a trade.I would rather have a small site then.

Choker · 03-25-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2

Are you trading based on uniques or based on productivity?
For instance if a guy sends me 1000 hits and only 300 clicks, if I'm trading based on uniques I'll send him 1000 (or more) back to get 300 clicks, and those are hits that could have been sent to other trades that are more productive.

I always trade on productivity, did not even put in the option in TTT to trade uniques, simply no reason for it really.

03-25-2003, 10:21 PM	#1
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	traffic trade question When I am trading traffic. Should I drop lower prod trades even though I am getting more traffic from them than sending back. Say I have a trade sending me 100% prod, which sucks (my average is 300%) but i am getting 75 in for 25 out, should I kill it or keep it? __________________

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03-25-2003, 10:27 PM	#5
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	ok so does anyone second this opinion: "I should keep lower prod trades as long as I am getting more in than am sending out." or "I should only keep trades with good prod" __________________

03-25-2003, 10:29 PM	#7
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	i should worry about the ROO right, beeing: ROO stands for Return On Outs and is the overall value of a trade. It takes how many you have sent OUT to a trade, how many you have received IN and how productive (# of clicks) that trade generated A ROO of 100% means you are just breaking even with a trade. ROO only goes to 999% and will display a >999% for trades above that __________________

03-25-2003, 11:06 PM	#12
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	So basically you guys are saying look at "clicks in" vs "clicks out" rather than the raw and unique stuff? For instance, if a trade has 300% productivity, but isn't sending enough traffic back to equal the clicks I'm sending them, then I'm getting hosed. And if a trade sends a truckload of uniques, but those uniques produce less clicks than I send to the trade then I'm getting hosed? __________________ sig too big

03-25-2003, 10:23 PM	#3
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03-25-2003, 10:28 PM	#6
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	keep it ANYTIME your trade is "CLICKING" more than your sending to him, KEEP IT!!! Even if you send him 500, but he sends back 350, and has 650 clicks

03-25-2003, 11:11 PM	#13
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	LOL, I just posted this on my board ... 1. Trades are a dime a dozen. Don't waste your time fucking around with any single trade. If a trade wants to die let it. It's no big deal. 2. Don't force to trades other than to send them a few hits to get the trade started. If you send 100 hits and they don't return any, just turn the force off. Forcing to trades other than for starting trades is the biggest mistake you can make. If the only way to keep a trade alive is to force to it, then it's not worth keeping. 3. A trades productivity is not as important as you may think. The "Q" factor is most important. IE Trade A you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 1000 back and 1000 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 100% and His "Q" is 1.00 Trade B you sent 1000 hits to him, he sent 250 back and 750 clicked on your site. His productivity would be 300% and his "Q" is .75 I would take trades like A over B any day all day long. What really matters is how many hits did you send a trade in order for him to send back enough traffic to produce X amount of clicks on your site? 4. Don't sit on your stats all day refreshing them. Sheer will is not going to make your stats any better. Spend your time making more TGP's , galleries, or whatever it is you do best. 5. Don't delete trades because their traffic has low productivity. Go back up and read item #3 above. I only delete trades that do not send me any hits in a 24 hour period. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

03-25-2003, 11:19 PM	#14
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	thanks __________________