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Old 03-26-2003, 02:29 PM   #101
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Fact: This war violates the UN charter.
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Fact: Iraq has violated 18 UN resolutions and charters since 1992.
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Fact: Iraq has violated 18 UN resolutions and charters since 1992.
Fact: if person A commits 18 murders he is a murderer, if person B commits 1 murder he is a murderer
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Fact: if person A commits 18 murders he is a murderer, if person B commits 1 murder he is a murderer
Damn. The UN let an 18 time murderer go free without doing anything to him.

Restores my faith in the UN.
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Damn. The UN let an 18 time murderer go free without doing anything to him.

Restores my faith in the UN.
Well ,most of the world seemed to think that immediate action wasn't required.

At least the inspectors were actually working, and some progress seemed to take place

There was no immediate threat

But most of the world, is of course, wrong, because the Great Leader Mr. Bush knows what is right and wrong here
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Old 03-26-2003, 02:44 PM   #106
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Well ,most of the world seemed to think that immediate action wasn't required.

At least the inspectors were actually working, and some progress seemed to take place

There was no immediate threat

But most of the world, is of course, wrong, because the Great Leader Mr. Bush knows what is right and wrong here
I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?
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I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?
Progress was taking place. You cannot deny that. And the inspectors weren't there for 12 years. After the restarted their work, there was a lot more progress being made.

Saddam destroyed dozens of Al Samoud missiles already (just one example that comes to mind)

Disarmament of Iraq is not the real reason of this war and you know it deep down inside.

Also, if we consider UN as a jury in case Saddam vs. World, then minority of that jury, USA and UK plus the puppet countries took the law in their own hands and we will see the results. We will see. Trust me
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I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?
I´m curious aswell why could the US wait 12 years and not
12 years and 3 months? The inspectors gained results over the
last weeks of the inspection.....that is a hard fact. I don´t say
they would have been able to solve it or that war could have
been prevented. But why not wait 3 more months.....and if
no result would have been achieved the UN would have approved
a next resolution.

There was no inmediate threat to the US and as everyone could
see on top of all the lifes that already have been lost there are
huge numbers going to be added at this very moment.

Yes Saddam is a brutal dictator but the 12 years of sanctions
have not added to the situation aswell. There was never any
real to handle the situation.....so why on earth all the rush now?

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Old 03-26-2003, 02:54 PM   #109
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Progress was taking place. You cannot deny that. And the inspectors weren't there for 12 years. After the restarted their work, there was a lot more progress being made.

Saddam destroyed dozens of Al Samoud missiles already (just one example that comes to mind)

Disarmament of Iraq is not the real reason of this war and you know it deep down inside.

Also, if we consider UN as a jury in case Saddam vs. World, then minority of that jury, USA and UK plus the puppet countries took the law in their own hands and we will see the results. We will see. Trust me
Of course they weren't there for 12 years. Saddam didn't let them in for a while.

The disarming of Iraq should have taken 1 to 2 years at most.

*shrugs* You guys can blame the evil US all you want. The FACT is, there is only one person responsible for this, and that is Saddam himself. If he had done what he was supposed to years ago, this wouldn't be happening now, would it?
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I´m curious aswell why could the US wait 12 years and not
12 years and 3 months? The inspectors gained results over the
last weeks of the inspection.....that is a hard fact. I don´t say
they would have been able to solve it or that war could have
been prevented. But why not wait 3 more months.....and if
no result would have been achieved the UN would have approved
a next resolution.

There was no inmediate threat to the US and as everyone could
see on top of all the lifes that already have been lost there are
huge numbers going to be added at this very moment.

Yes Saddam is a brutal dictator but the 12 years of sanctions
have not added to the situation aswell. There was never any
real to handle the situation.....so why on earth all the rush now?

DynaMite
I'm curious at what point do you say enough is enough? 12 years? 12 years 3 months? 12 years 6 months? 14 years? 20 years? 50 years?

What the UN did is nothing more than teach Saddam that he could dick them around and nothing would happen. Give a little when the pressure is on, then back off and start it all over again.

Why does it take 12 years to disarm?

But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?
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If it gets bogged down, they'll go nuclear to turn the tide.

Even as STUPID as Prez Shrub is, I can't believe he's so stupid as to use Nukes on Iraq!

"We must destroy Iraq to save it/liberate it".

Not only would be it be STUPID to use nukes in Iraq militarily,(radiation affects even occupation troops!) but you can almost guarantee a total war between the U.S. and all moslem nations!
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I'm curious at what point do you say enough is enough? 12 years? 12 years 3 months? 12 years 6 months? 14 years? 20 years? 50 years?

What the UN did is nothing more than teach Saddam that he could dick them around and nothing would happen. Give a little when the pressure is on, then back off and start it all over again.

Why does it take 12 years to disarm?

But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?
Enough is supposed to be decided by the UN of which the US/UK/ES are members aswell as many other countries.

b.t.w. that it took 12 years to achieve something is of course
rediculous. But as the US/UK/ES are members of the UN they
haven´t been pushing that hard either over the past 12 years.

The last weeks progress WAS achieved and why all of sudden
rage war at that moment?

I´m not blaiming evil americans I´m blaiming all the governments
that support the war for bypassing the UN of which they all are
members.

Because I dissagree with the actions of these goverments does
not imply that I "Hate" the people of those countries. I guess
that´s always the most easy thing to say in a discussion.
To have difference opinions does not make either of us bad
persons.

There are probably more subjects that we agree on than things
we dissagree on. But hey if in your opinion that makes me a US
hater then so be it........again I will dissagree

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<b>Subject: C. Powell Quote</b>

"When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.

He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders.

The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

It became very quiet in the room."



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But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?
there's a little psychological slip in your post. I could blame Bush just like you blame Saddam. Notice that these are persons. You haven't said you blame Iraqi people. Have I said I blame American people? I blame Bush and American government that went to war WAAYY too easily. Are you taking it a bit personally?
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rage war at that moment?
No, that's actually bullshit. Sorry. The ONLY reason there was what appeared to be *progress* was <i>because</i> war was threatened. That supposed progress wasn't sufficient, it was too little-too late, and subsequently the decision was made to remove Saddam by force.



I wish you guy's would stop railing and bitching against everything when it will happen regardless. I'm waiting until it's over, because only then will we know what has really been going on in Iraq.
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There are probably more subjects that we agree on than things
we dissagree on. But hey if in your opinion that makes me a US
hater then so be it........again I will dissagree

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I heard Israel violated UN resolutions also Does that mean we have to go to war with them too? I hope not.
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No, that's actually bullshit. Sorry. The ONLY reason there was what appeared to be *progress* was <i>because</i> war was threatened. That supposed progress wasn't sufficient, it was too little-too late, and subsequently the decision was made to remove Saddam by force.



I wish you guy's would stop railing and bitching against everything when it will happen regardless. I'm waiting until it's over, because only then will we know what has really been going on in Iraq.
Too little too late was supposed to be decided by the UN of which
the US/UK are members. I´m not against war if really necesary
I am against war without consent of the UN.

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Nah. That part wasn't directed at you. ;) Sorry about that.
Okidokie.....thanks....we can continue arguing now

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there's a little psychological slip in your post. I could blame Bush just like you blame Saddam. Notice that these are persons. You haven't said you blame Iraqi people. Have I said I blame American people? I blame Bush and American government that went to war WAAYY too easily. Are you taking it a bit personally?
If you say so.

And WAYYYYY too easily? 12 years? LOL. It's not like he agreed to disarm on Tuesday and the US attacked him Wed at 1a. LOL
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I heard Israel violated UN resolutions also Does that mean we have to go to war with them too? I hope not.
indeed... USA will give Israel 10 billion greens as war damages... here's your tax money.. be proud of your government
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there's a little psychological slip in your post. I could blame Bush just like you blame Saddam. Notice that these are persons. You haven't said you blame Iraqi people. Have I said I blame American people? I blame Bush and American government that went to war WAAYY too easily. Are you taking it a bit personally?
You blame Bush and Congress but not the American people. The American people, depending upon which poll one wants to use, backed Bush and our government by up to 71% in favor of the war. One poll today showed that since the beginning of the war 67% are in favor of the war.
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"When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.

He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders.

The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

It became very quiet in the room."



Gotta love the quick mind of that Colin Powell.
It's not the land they want...
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If you say so.

And WAYYYYY too easily? 12 years? LOL. It's not like he agreed to disarm on Tuesday and the US attacked him Wed at 1a. LOL
It is still true that most of the world opposes this war and you cannot refute that. You shouldn't also think that most of the world opposes the war because they love Saddam and would not like to see him getting disarmed. USA not working together with UN thus took law in their own hands. Nothing refutes that, either. Of course, I understand that you as an American would hate to see America start an unjustified war and it probably explains your stickittoiveness

Given other president than Bush and we might not necessarily have any wars now.

I hope it'll end soon anyway.
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You blame Bush and Congress but not the American people. The American people, depending upon which poll one wants to use, backed Bush and our government by up to 71% in favor of the war. One poll today showed that since the beginning of the war 67% are in favor of the war.
I read that it has been studied that people favor war the most RIGHT after the war starts. Of course people like to support the war their country is in. I cannot search for that article now unless you really insist. But i think we can conclude that result even with some common sense

You will see the support start dropping if we face a longer war and more casualties.

Masses of people are alike everywhere, so if I criticize the way human masses are backing up the decisions of their Great Leaders, then that is not directed to specifically Americans, but to the way our human brain works
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You blame Bush and Congress but not the American people. The American people, depending upon which poll one wants to use, backed Bush and our government by up to 71% in favor of the war. One poll today showed that since the beginning of the war 67% are in favor of the war.
I HATE polls! But if you are going to play the numbers game, just saw on CNN, THEIR poll says there has been a slippage since last friday when 53% said the war was going well (what the american people thought), and now it's down to 39%!
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Amen and I do geniunly hope that the amount of casualties
will remain as low as possible and that the all the men and
women of the allied forces may return safely.

Those people overthere must be going through hell just like the
Iraqi civilians. They are brave enough to no matter what do their
jobs and how silly it may sound I DO RESPECT THAT

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It is still true that most of the world opposes this war and you cannot refute that. You shouldn't also think that most of the world opposes the war because they love Saddam and would not like to see him getting disarmed. USA not working together with UN thus took law in their own hands. Nothing refutes that, either. Of course, I understand that you as an American would hate to see America start an unjustified war and it probably explains your stickittoiveness

Given other president than Bush and we might not necessarily have any wars now.

I hope it'll end soon anyway.
Every single President since the Second World War has engaged our military and I highly suspect that every single future President will do the same.
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Every single President since the Second World War has engaged our military and I highly suspect that every single future President will do the same.
I guess I'll just have to live with that then

USA is always in war no matter what?
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I HATE polls! But if you are going to play the numbers game, just saw on CNN, THEIR poll says there has been a slippage since last friday when 53% said the war was going well (what the american people thought), and now it's down to 39%!
The problem with polls is that they can be, and are, manipulated and I am sure that there are other polls with different numbers. I don't have confidence in the numbers used by any poll. As the conflict continues whatever the numbers are the percentage will continue to drop. Happens in every conflict.
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Of course, I understand that you as an American would hate to see America start an unjustified war and it probably explains your stickittoiveness
Or I could just think Bush is right this time. That would explain my "stickittoiveness", too.

You may not believe this, and I don't care if you do or not, but I don't support every single thing the US does. This time, I happen to. *shrugs*
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As the conflict continues whatever the numbers are the percentage will continue to drop. Happens in every conflict.
Huh, fuck so you knew it.. ?

Still you tried to use some poll numbers for purpose of trying to make me look like I hated American people

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Old 03-26-2003, 03:49 PM   #135
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They're about to find out what the full capabily of "technology" is.
Problem with technology is that it wants to reproduce. Gaurding it is like monitoring all the holes in a sponge inside and out. Key components are already made in the former 'Asian Tiger' belt.

The foreign nationals now being harassed and expelled for studying and researching here are welcomed back home. The U.S. technology edge is a bubble which may implode as the brightest minds go home. Foreign armies may lack the most advanced weapons but when they place an order they want the latest thing too if it hasn't been pushed on them already.

Hopefully future U.S. presidents can ameriorate world anger. When the playing field levels that will become a vital skill which this administration sorely lacks.
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Every single President since the Second World War has engaged our military and I highly suspect that every single future President will do the same.
The US is a belligerant country . From the time of Western to today, and sadely in the future too. They kill themselves in cities, so why not kill less valued humans abroad....

Go GIJoe, GO!



The only thing upsetting is that they always rap it up under a freedom-religious bullshit cover....
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You may not believe this, and I don't care if you do or not, but I don't support every single thing the US does. This time, I happen to. *shrugs*
And when you DO NOT support some decision that the goverment made, but some other people do, because they have a different view than you, do you then blame and/or hate those people or the goverment?

If you're implying I'm acting that way, doesn't it really seem a bit absurd now?
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It's not the land they want...
Well don't keep me in suspence einstein. You gonna trot out the already-shot-to-pieces "it's all about oil" argument?


Let's hear it for the umpteenth time
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you're the most ignorant country in the world...shut up...and take it.
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Huh, fuck so you knew it.. ?

Still you tried to use some poll numbers for purpose of trying to make me look like I hated American people

No matter what the poll numbers are. All polls show that the majority of Americans approve of this conflict. It is just that different polls have different percentages. I will repeat that the percentages will drop as the war proceeds.
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...to respond to and most of the posts are not deserving of a response.

These are the facts.

Like it or not the US is militarily engaged in conflict with Iraqi forces.

The ultimate outcome of this conflict is known. The US forces will take control of Iraq.

As in all wars, there will be death via accident, illness, and KIA.

As in all wars, there will be injuries, and WIA's.

As in all wars, there will be POW's and MIA's.

As in all wars the rules of War as defined by the Geneva convention will be broken by all combatants involved.

There will be propaganda, there will be intentional and unintentional mis-information put out by the conflicting parties, there will intentional and unintentional mis-information put out by the media.

Thus far the US has been taking baby steps but the US has the option to increase the use of force, Iraqi forces do not. I predictated that the US will have control of the country in less than 10 days, and nothing has happened to change my mind.
some of this is accurate but you're still a dink.
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there isn't much room for american to use anything relating to the UN as an excuse for invasion, shrub has rendered UN opinion 'irrelevant'... dangerous precendent for the rest of the world (china)..
You seem to be missing one fundamental point. The first war with iraq has not ended. It was put into a ceasefire mode while saddam had time to comply with UN regulations, which he did not. Now it is back in war mode.

right or wrongas this war may be, at least get the facts straight.
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No matter what the poll numbers are. All polls show that the majority of Americans approve of this conflict. It is just that different polls have different percentages. I will repeat that the percentages will drop as the war proceeds.
Just straight out then...

Are you saying that I hate American people because I oppose the war?
Yes or No
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Yes Saddam is a brutal dictator but the 12 years of sanctions
have not added to the situation aswell. There was never any
real to handle the situation.....so why on earth all the rush now?

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Because the economy hasn't been so bad in 12 years.
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This war is excellent practice for the next country we are going to invade and take control of.
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No matter what the poll numbers are. All polls show that the majority of Americans approve of this conflict. It is just that different polls have different percentages. I will repeat that the percentages will drop as the war proceeds.
man shut the fuck up...how many of those polls have you participated in...none, and how many people do you know that have....none....hmmm wonder why that is?

Polls sway however the government wants them to....they're bullshit.

Show me facts on "real americans" taking these polls.
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Well don't keep me in suspence einstein. You gonna trot out the already-shot-to-pieces "it's all about oil" argument?


Let's hear it for the umpteenth time
Maybe... just MAYBE... that's why I didnt have to say it. If even you guessed it, there's no need to repeat it.
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Problem with technology is that it wants to reproduce. Gaurding it is like monitoring all the holes in a sponge inside and out. Key components are already made in the former 'Asian Tiger' belt.

The foreign nationals now being harassed and expelled for studying and researching here are welcomed back home. The U.S. technology edge is a bubble which may implode as the brightest minds go home. Foreign armies may lack the most advanced weapons but when they place an order they want the latest thing too if it hasn't been pushed on them already.

Hopefully future U.S. presidents can <font color="Yellow"><b><i>ameriorate</i></b></font> world anger. When the playing field levels that will become a vital skill which this administration sorely lacks.
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This war is excellent practice for the next country we are going to invade and take control of.

you stupid americans have no idea what you're getting involved with. The world's getting tired of you.
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The US is a belligerant country . From the time of Western to today, and sadely in the future too. They kill themselves in cities, so why not kill less valued humans abroad....

Go GIJoe, GO!



The only thing upsetting is that they always rap it up under a freedom-religious bullshit cover....
Please do NOT make out ALL Americans to be this way.
Quite frankly, even though the Prez has a large poll ranking right now, his support IS soft. And it WAS soft before the war started. But it's very human natured to rally around the boys when a war does start.

Offiically:I'm against the war, but I do support the troops and want them to finish their objective quickly and with the least amount of loss of life & limb to both sides.

Plus, please stop generalizing ALL American history. Our history, as well as yours and other nations' is VERY varied.
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