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theking 03-26-2003 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by DynaSpain


The UN is not a person....the UN is represented by member from
many different countries. MOST of these countries are against
the use of force at this moment in time......to be precise only 4
countries supported the use of force US and UK included.

So itīs not some person or a few people who are against. Itīs
almost the whole world. And that shouldnīt just have been ignored.

DynaMite :2 cents:

More than 40 countries are supporting the USA in this endeavor. Forty-six was the last number that I recall.

Fletch XXX 03-26-2003 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by flashfreak

facts: USA doesn't have proofs! this war started on presumptions... who's next?

from 98: <a href=http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/13/senate.iraq.vote/>U.S. Senate calls for war crimes trial for Saddam Hussein
</a>
from 2002: <a href=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/02/sproject.irq.dossier/>UK dossier slams Saddam on torture</a>

<a href=http://www.insightmag.com/news/395105.html>Saddam Hussein & Chemical Weapons</a>

try to read some time.

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


More than 40 countries are supporting the USA in this endeavor. Forty-six was the last number that I recall.

Yes I heard that being mentioned many times.....however itīs
only mentioned by the US/UK I donīt hear that being mentioned
by those countries themselfes.

Also the US/UK also count countries that send humanitarian aid
as countries that support the war......the 46 is a VERY misleading
number to say the least

DynaMite

theking 03-26-2003 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain


Yes I heard that being mentioned many times.....however itīs
only mentioned by the US/UK I donīt hear that being mentioned
by those countries themselfes.

Also the US/UK also count countries that send humanitarian aid
as countries that support the war......the 46 is a VERY misleading
number to say the least

DynaMite

Something like 31 countries have made their support known. Something like nine countries offered troops, but I don't think we took all nine up on their offer. I think we have stated that 15 countries don't want their support to be made public and I suspect their are a few Arab countries in that number. One can choose to believe or not believe.

As far as I am aware, the US-UK-Australia-Poland have committed troops but their may be a couple of others. I know that Spain supports this war, but I am not aware if they have committed troops, with you living in Spain maybe you can answer this.

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


Something like 31 countries have made their support known. Something like nine countries offered troops, but I don't think we took all nine up on their offer. I think we have stated that 15 countries don't want their support to be made public and I suspect their are a few Arab countries in that number. One can choose to believe or not believe.

Yes correct one can choose to believe or not to believe..

DynaMite

theking 03-26-2003 12:41 PM

"As far as I am aware, the US-UK-Australia-Poland have committed troops but their may be a couple of others. I know that Spain supports this war, but I am not aware if they have committed troops, with you living in Spain maybe you can answer this."

I was editing as you posted. Maybe you will respond.

Tuga 03-26-2003 12:44 PM

Hmmm.. I remember this post. So, are you still sure the US will control the country in less than 10 days? Are you?? Because I'm laughing at you as I type :1orglaugh

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
"As far as I am aware, the US-UK-Australia-Poland have committed troops but their may be a couple of others. I know that Spain supports this war, but I am not aware if they have committed troops, with you living in Spain maybe you can answer this."

I was editing as you posted. Maybe you will respond.

Yes Spain is supporting the war.....but not by commiting troops.
Better is to say the Spanish Prime minister supports the war
due to the obvious economic benefits they will gain by giving
support.

The parlement is against and recent polls show 95% of the
Spanish people are against the war aswel...Iīm dutch so I donīt
count :winkwink:

DynaMite

directfiesta 03-26-2003 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain


Yes Spain is supporting the war.....but not by commiting troops.
Better is to say the Spanish Prime minister supports the war
due to the obvious economic benefits they will gain by giving
support.

The parlement is against and recent polls show 95% of the
Spanish people are against the war aswel...Iīm dutch so I donīt
count :winkwink:

DynaMite

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain1.jpg

United Left deputies hold anti war banners as Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar addresses the Spanish Parliament in Madrid, March 26, 2003. The U.S. military said on Wednesday its seven-day air and land assault on Iraq was "on plan" to overthrow President Saddam Hussein and rid Iraq of alleged weapons of mass destruction. The banners (L to R) read in Spanish, "Seventh Day of War", "1,000 Dead", "5,000 Wounded", "400,000 Refugees"

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain2.jpg

Students protest during a demonstration in central Seville, Spain, March 26, 2003. Thousands of student demonstrators massed in central Seville as part of a series of protests in cities across the Spain on Wednesday, to put pressure on Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government over the Iraqi conflict.

directfiesta 03-26-2003 01:03 PM

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain3.jpg

Students opposing the war with Iraq pretend to bury a man doing a fascist salute, with an American flag and a poster reading "Democracy" inside a coffin, during a rally that drew thousands of protesters in Madrid March 26, 2003. Reuters witnesses in Baghdad counted at least 15 scorched corpses after bomb and missile strikes intensified on Wednesday


Theking: you really need to bump your own threads twice?

theking 03-26-2003 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuga
Hmmm.. I remember this post. So, are you still sure the US will control the country in less than 10 days? Are you?? Because I'm laughing at you as I type :1orglaugh
Weather is becoming a factor and has delayed the drive to Baghdad and it is reported that another sand storm is due. In addition the majority of the air sorties being flown are now directed at Iraqs Divisions that are forward positioned around Baghdad and the sand storms are effecting this operation. I think the ten days I predicted ends on Sunday, so will have to wait and see.

TDF 03-26-2003 01:15 PM

I wonder how many armchair generals and ex war vets are playing GI Joe versions of this conflict on the living room floor as we speak..

theking 03-26-2003 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain3.jpg

Students opposing the war with Iraq pretend to bury a man doing a fascist salute, with an American flag and a poster reading "Democracy" inside a coffin, during a rally that drew thousands of protesters in Madrid March 26, 2003. Reuters witnesses in Baghdad counted at least 15 scorched corpses after bomb and missile strikes intensified on Wednesday


Theking: you really need to bump your own threads twice?

No, no need to, but why would I want to start a new thread with the same topic title. I will be the determiner of bumping my thread or anyone elses, thank you very much.

Tuga 03-26-2003 01:19 PM

toodamnfli I believe there are more people playing Command & Conquer.

Babaganoosh 03-26-2003 01:20 PM

Fact: Too much ice cream gives me the shits, causing me to invade the bathroom and violate toilet paper sanctions imposed by the woman of the house.

CDSmith 03-26-2003 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


from 98: <a href=http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/13/senate.iraq.vote/>U.S. Senate calls for war crimes trial for Saddam Hussein
</a>
from 2002: <a href=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/02/sproject.irq.dossier/>UK dossier slams Saddam on torture</a>

<a href=http://www.insightmag.com/news/395105.html>Saddam Hussein & Chemical Weapons</a>

try to read some time.

You're asking for way too much from the critics. Harder to criticize when you have the truth to argue with.

theking 03-26-2003 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
You're asking for way too much from the critics. Harder to criticize when you have the truth to argue with.
It is true...that truth is a bitch.

mika 03-26-2003 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
To the ignorant (those that do not know shit about the military or war) and America bashers read the initial post again. Read it, learn it, know it.
Oh man you're a bigger joke than I thought

Bumping your own thread that has no useful info whatsoever. Calling people ignorant and America bashers if they oppose the war or don't agree with you

and saying that if someone has different opinion than you then he must be uninformed and unknowledgeable

Last time I wasted my time chatting with you

theking 03-26-2003 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


Oh man you're a bigger joke than I thought

It is pleasing to be amused is it not?

Quote:

Bumping your own thread that has no useful info whatsoever.
I am sorry that you did not learn anything.

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Calling people ignorant and America bashers if they oppose the war or don't agree with you
Wrong. It is easy to discern who the bashers, haters, and baiters. are from those with a legitimate disagreement. What category do you think you are in?

Quote:

and saying that if someone has different opinion than you then he must be uninformed and unknowledgeable
A difference of opinion is fine if the person has an informed and knowledgeable opinion but many don't have a knowledgeable and informed opinion and just spew out whatever they choose too which makes it fall into the category of basher, hater or baiter.

Quote:

Last time I wasted my time chatting with you
I am injured.

The Porn Dude 03-26-2003 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra


and the funniest part is that shrub uses


Shrub, LMAO that is some funny shit. Look there is no one I hate more than shrub. But if I have to choose one over the other I have to choose shrub over saddam. Both sides are dirty as hell in this. Anyone trying to sell you the US is liberating Iraq is either naive or recently released froma mental hospital. But I have to go with shrub on this one. I hate it and it makes me sick to my stomach. But shrub really does win in this one comparison.

FadeEP 03-26-2003 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZoiNk
Fact: This war violates the UN charter.
ZoiNk

Fact: Iraq has violated 18 UN resolutions and charters since 1992.

mika 03-26-2003 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FadeEP


Fact: Iraq has violated 18 UN resolutions and charters since 1992.

Fact: if person A commits 18 murders he is a murderer, if person B commits 1 murder he is a murderer

TDF 03-26-2003 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuga
toodamnfli I believe there are more people playing Command & Conquer.

red alert kicks ass

FATPad 03-26-2003 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


Fact: if person A commits 18 murders he is a murderer, if person B commits 1 murder he is a murderer

Damn. The UN let an 18 time murderer go free without doing anything to him.

Restores my faith in the UN.

mika 03-26-2003 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
Damn. The UN let an 18 time murderer go free without doing anything to him.

Restores my faith in the UN.

Well ,most of the world seemed to think that immediate action wasn't required.

At least the inspectors were actually working, and some progress seemed to take place

There was no immediate threat

But most of the world, is of course, wrong, because the Great Leader Mr. Bush knows what is right and wrong here

FATPad 03-26-2003 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


Well ,most of the world seemed to think that immediate action wasn't required.

At least the inspectors were actually working, and some progress seemed to take place

There was no immediate threat

But most of the world, is of course, wrong, because the Great Leader Mr. Bush knows what is right and wrong here

I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?

mika 03-26-2003 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?

Progress was taking place. You cannot deny that. And the inspectors weren't there for 12 years. After the restarted their work, there was a lot more progress being made.

Saddam destroyed dozens of Al Samoud missiles already (just one example that comes to mind)

Disarmament of Iraq is not the real reason of this war and you know it deep down inside.

Also, if we consider UN as a jury in case Saddam vs. World, then minority of that jury, USA and UK plus the puppet countries took the law in their own hands and we will see the results. We will see. Trust me

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I'm just curious...

The first TWELVE years the inspectors didn't get anything done. THey were misled, they were threatened, they were impeded.

Why do you think now the inspectors would suddenly be allowed to...ehh..inspect stuff?

Iīm curious aswell why could the US wait 12 years and not
12 years and 3 months? The inspectors gained results over the
last weeks of the inspection.....that is a hard fact. I donīt say
they would have been able to solve it or that war could have
been prevented. But why not wait 3 more months.....and if
no result would have been achieved the UN would have approved
a next resolution.

There was no inmediate threat to the US and as everyone could
see on top of all the lifes that already have been lost there are
huge numbers going to be added at this very moment.

Yes Saddam is a brutal dictator but the 12 years of sanctions
have not added to the situation aswell. There was never any
real to handle the situation.....so why on earth all the rush now?

DynaMite :2 cents:

FATPad 03-26-2003 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


Progress was taking place. You cannot deny that. And the inspectors weren't there for 12 years. After the restarted their work, there was a lot more progress being made.

Saddam destroyed dozens of Al Samoud missiles already (just one example that comes to mind)

Disarmament of Iraq is not the real reason of this war and you know it deep down inside.

Also, if we consider UN as a jury in case Saddam vs. World, then minority of that jury, USA and UK plus the puppet countries took the law in their own hands and we will see the results. We will see. Trust me

Of course they weren't there for 12 years. Saddam didn't let them in for a while.

The disarming of Iraq should have taken 1 to 2 years at most.

*shrugs* You guys can blame the evil US all you want. The FACT is, there is only one person responsible for this, and that is Saddam himself. If he had done what he was supposed to years ago, this wouldn't be happening now, would it?

FATPad 03-26-2003 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain


Iīm curious aswell why could the US wait 12 years and not
12 years and 3 months? The inspectors gained results over the
last weeks of the inspection.....that is a hard fact. I donīt say
they would have been able to solve it or that war could have
been prevented. But why not wait 3 more months.....and if
no result would have been achieved the UN would have approved
a next resolution.

There was no inmediate threat to the US and as everyone could
see on top of all the lifes that already have been lost there are
huge numbers going to be added at this very moment.

Yes Saddam is a brutal dictator but the 12 years of sanctions
have not added to the situation aswell. There was never any
real to handle the situation.....so why on earth all the rush now?

DynaMite :2 cents:

I'm curious at what point do you say enough is enough? 12 years? 12 years 3 months? 12 years 6 months? 14 years? 20 years? 50 years?

What the UN did is nothing more than teach Saddam that he could dick them around and nothing would happen. Give a little when the pressure is on, then back off and start it all over again.

Why does it take 12 years to disarm?

But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?

Centurion 03-26-2003 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
If it gets bogged down, they'll go nuclear to turn the tide.


Even as STUPID as Prez Shrub is, I can't believe he's so stupid as to use Nukes on Iraq!

"We must destroy Iraq to save it/liberate it".

Not only would be it be STUPID to use nukes in Iraq militarily,(radiation affects even occupation troops!) but you can almost guarantee a total war between the U.S. and all moslem nations!

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I'm curious at what point do you say enough is enough? 12 years? 12 years 3 months? 12 years 6 months? 14 years? 20 years? 50 years?

What the UN did is nothing more than teach Saddam that he could dick them around and nothing would happen. Give a little when the pressure is on, then back off and start it all over again.

Why does it take 12 years to disarm?

But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?

Enough is supposed to be decided by the UN of which the US/UK/ES are members aswell as many other countries.

b.t.w. that it took 12 years to achieve something is of course
rediculous. But as the US/UK/ES are members of the UN they
havenīt been pushing that hard either over the past 12 years.

The last weeks progress WAS achieved and why all of sudden
rage war at that moment?

Iīm not blaiming evil americans Iīm blaiming all the governments
that support the war for bypassing the UN of which they all are
members.

Because I dissagree with the actions of these goverments does
not imply that I "Hate" the people of those countries. I guess
thatīs always the most easy thing to say in a discussion.
To have difference opinions does not make either of us bad
persons.

There are probably more subjects that we agree on than things
we dissagree on. But hey if in your opinion that makes me a US
hater then so be it........again I will dissagree :winkwink:

DynaMite :thumbsup

CDSmith 03-26-2003 03:06 PM

Some of you might not have seen this yet. It's unconfirmed, but it came to me in an email..........


<b>Subject: C. Powell Quote</b>

"When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.

He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders.

The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return."

It became very quiet in the room."



Gotta love the quick mind of that Colin Powell. :thumbsup

mika 03-26-2003 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad

But blaming Saddam for the situation he is in would not be as much fun as blaming the evil Americans would it?

there's a little psychological slip in your post. I could blame Bush just like you blame Saddam. Notice that these are persons. You haven't said you blame Iraqi people. Have I said I blame American people? I blame Bush and American government that went to war WAAYY too easily. Are you taking it a bit personally?

CDSmith 03-26-2003 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
The last weeks progress WAS achieved and why all of sudden
rage war at that moment?

No, that's actually bullshit. Sorry. The ONLY reason there was what appeared to be *progress* was <i>because</i> war was threatened. That supposed progress wasn't sufficient, it was too little-too late, and subsequently the decision was made to remove Saddam by force.



I wish you guy's would stop railing and bitching against everything when it will happen regardless. I'm waiting until it's over, because only then will we know what has really been going on in Iraq.

FATPad 03-26-2003 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain


There are probably more subjects that we agree on than things
we dissagree on. But hey if in your opinion that makes me a US
hater then so be it........again I will dissagree :winkwink:

DynaMite :thumbsup

Nah. That part wasn't directed at you. ;) Sorry about that.

tony286 03-26-2003 03:13 PM

I heard Israel violated UN resolutions also Does that mean we have to go to war with them too? I hope not.

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
No, that's actually bullshit. Sorry. The ONLY reason there was what appeared to be *progress* was <i>because</i> war was threatened. That supposed progress wasn't sufficient, it was too little-too late, and subsequently the decision was made to remove Saddam by force.



I wish you guy's would stop railing and bitching against everything when it will happen regardless. I'm waiting until it's over, because only then will we know what has really been going on in Iraq.

Too little too late was supposed to be decided by the UN of which
the US/UK are members. Iīm not against war if really necesary
I am against war without consent of the UN.

DynaMite

ServerGenius 03-26-2003 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
Nah. That part wasn't directed at you. ;) Sorry about that.
Okidokie.....thanks....we can continue arguing now :Graucho

DynaMite

FATPad 03-26-2003 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mika


there's a little psychological slip in your post. I could blame Bush just like you blame Saddam. Notice that these are persons. You haven't said you blame Iraqi people. Have I said I blame American people? I blame Bush and American government that went to war WAAYY too easily. Are you taking it a bit personally?

If you say so.

And WAYYYYY too easily? 12 years? LOL. It's not like he agreed to disarm on Tuesday and the US attacked him Wed at 1a. LOL


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