I agree. Let's call it end

Remember that there are tens of thousands of soldiers in Bagdad and even civilians can use an Ak47

They will hide from the Gunships, and snipe when there are no gunships around

I could be wrong so keep your mouth shut as you promised thank you

No my son. My point is that no matter what you *think*, things will be the way things will be. All the second-guessing by armchair generals won't change a fucking thing, unless of course "Franks" has mika the finnish flash on speed-dial. I mean, if he's consulting with you on how best to proceed, please excuse my ignorance.



I'll admit I'm not privy to the extent of all the latest US technology, nor am I an expert on their modern battle tactics. What I DO know is that the US military pumps billions into their training and weapons development so that their troops have the edge in virtually ANY combat situation, whether it be urban, sea, desert or mountainous regions. I also trust that those in command know what the fuck they're doing. My amateur speculations and second-guessings aren't going to affect bugger all, so yeah, I'm pretty much watching to see what happens mika.

Carry on General.

Didn't think your "Physical Education" major included government classes :1orglaugh

I sometimes wonder if they are teaching ANYthing relevant anymore Jimmyf. Some of my college classes a few years ago were at satellite locations in High Schools and it LOOKED like they taught alot but how can you judge my posters and what was written on the boards when you walk into the room? I think they 'teach' it, just not many are listening.

Forgot that it wasn't PC to mention government class as such. :1orglaugh I live with someone that could care less about PC and it rubs off alot of the time. :winkwink:

"promised"? By the way I quit taking orders when I left the military...and I will repeat, watch, listen and learn.

almost all the posts here in GFY is pure fucking speculation

your trying to get me shut up is pathetic

If you don't have your own opinions, don't try to deny me from having those

Thank you my Canadian friend

See Sig.

And by the way, even Bush and co. are now telling people this will be a long, drawn-out, war and the plan from the beginning was to overtake Baghdad WITH ground troops.

What is your definition of urban warfare?

Please accept gravest apologies General mika.


*bows*


Can I get you anything sir? Will you be having wine with dinner?

There are informed and knowledgeable opinions.
There are un-informed and un-knowledgeable opinons.
Then there are the opinions of those that just don't have a clue.

Which category are you in? :)

I'll see your sig and raise you a middle finger :321GFY Understandible, since some morons were thinking that this would be over in a week I see nothing wrong with Bush & co. spreading some caution. Gulf war 1 lasted what, 2 months? We are now on day 4 of this war, it's a little premature to be already second-guessing the military experts in charge of the attack. Combat in a populated built-up area. What's yours?

I'm imagining here......... that the gunners on these gunships might be equipped with infra-red vision tech of some sort. It has been widely reported now that the tank crews have such equipment, and if the airborne gunners have it as well they would be better able to spot hidden snipers and attackers etc and take them out.

A troop of ground forces encountering heavy hidden resistance could call in the gunships to *deal*, which would change the scenario of what most people know of "urban warfare" all around.

CD do you think those infrared can separate soldier from a civilian. Snipers could easily hide in suprising buildings

And theking, in addition to your categories there is the most informed and the most knowledgeable opinion. If we take CD's logic a little bit farther, then any opinion that is worse than that would be useless

I'm quite sure they've been trained to handle it effectively.

Hope so.

By the way, very easy to take out a gunship down with a stinger in an urban fight that we are visualizing here

Not that I'm an expert, just common sense

I'm quite sure they know that too, and have planned for it.

Damn...the boots on the ground will identify where they are taking fire from...the gunships will take the target area out. Will soldiers die...yes...will civilians die yes. Will there be machines of war lost yes. Will it be prolonged, no.

Nope. It is easy to move from one building to the next. Or run to the basement

I thought you were done educating me, my friend

I am now. You belong to the 3rd category.

Damn I think you are right !

Like theking said wait, watch and listen. This will not be a urban that like most people think of as urban warfare. And non military will be killed if the military uses there building, house or whatever. Won't take long for the Iraq's
people to understand they had better get the hell out of said building, house or the area. Do really think we are going to fight like in wwII house to house. Nope, they will call in a Chopper gunship or C130 gunship, and yes they can see very well in the dark, as a matter of fact they prefer the dark. I posted the same like a month or two ago. I've been told common sense and in a lot of cases logic can not be taught to some people.

This is my favorite ignorant post of the day:


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=118573

Don't worry about what Kboy says, especially when he's drinking.

The IRS misses him.

Mika,

Yes... civilian or soldier holding a gun, they are a valid target. That's what the army is TRAINED to do using MODERN technology... the army is not a bunch of fucking farmers with shotguns.

Of course we'll call in airstrikes on "said" building. However, when our ground troops are in the middle of a city surrounded by buildings with enemies shooting at them it will be urban warfare as usual. Same goes to you wait and see. The only way I can see this not happening is surrender. All your big guns and airplanes in a city of 5 million aren't going to stop it from being typical urban warfare. We would have to level the city to stop it and that isn't going to happen.

I repeat 90% of the fighting would be fought by gunships and other weapon platforms, so this would make it untypical. We will level the city if it becomes necessary, but it will not become necessary.

To the ignorant (those that do not know shit about the military or war) and America bashers read the initial post again. Read it, learn it, know it.

And for those that are making a big deal about civilian deaths. News Flash...anything that is made and/or controlled by humans is not 100% perfect. News Flash...people die in wars including civilians.

Newsflash: don't disagree with theking because he'll bore you to death with rhetoric

facts: USA doesn't have proofs! this war started on presumptions... who's next?

The UN is not a person....the UN is represented by member from
many different countries. MOST of these countries are against
the use of force at this moment in time......to be precise only 4
countries supported the use of force US and UK included.

So it´s not some person or a few people who are against. It´s
almost the whole world. And that shouldn´t just have been ignored.

DynaMite :2 cents:

More than 40 countries are supporting the USA in this endeavor. Forty-six was the last number that I recall.

from 98: <a href=http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/13/senate.iraq.vote/>U.S. Senate calls for war crimes trial for Saddam Hussein
</a>
from 2002: <a href=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/12/02/sproject.irq.dossier/>UK dossier slams Saddam on torture</a>

<a href=http://www.insightmag.com/news/395105.html>Saddam Hussein & Chemical Weapons</a>

try to read some time.

Yes I heard that being mentioned many times.....however it´s
only mentioned by the US/UK I don´t hear that being mentioned
by those countries themselfes.

Also the US/UK also count countries that send humanitarian aid
as countries that support the war......the 46 is a VERY misleading
number to say the least

DynaMite

Something like 31 countries have made their support known. Something like nine countries offered troops, but I don't think we took all nine up on their offer. I think we have stated that 15 countries don't want their support to be made public and I suspect their are a few Arab countries in that number. One can choose to believe or not believe.

As far as I am aware, the US-UK-Australia-Poland have committed troops but their may be a couple of others. I know that Spain supports this war, but I am not aware if they have committed troops, with you living in Spain maybe you can answer this.

Yes correct one can choose to believe or not to believe..

DynaMite

"As far as I am aware, the US-UK-Australia-Poland have committed troops but their may be a couple of others. I know that Spain supports this war, but I am not aware if they have committed troops, with you living in Spain maybe you can answer this."

I was editing as you posted. Maybe you will respond.

Hmmm.. I remember this post. So, are you still sure the US will control the country in less than 10 days? Are you?? Because I'm laughing at you as I type :1orglaugh

Yes Spain is supporting the war.....but not by commiting troops.
Better is to say the Spanish Prime minister supports the war
due to the obvious economic benefits they will gain by giving
support.

The parlement is against and recent polls show 95% of the
Spanish people are against the war aswel...I´m dutch so I don´t
count :winkwink:

DynaMite

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain1.jpg

United Left deputies hold anti war banners as Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar addresses the Spanish Parliament in Madrid, March 26, 2003. The U.S. military said on Wednesday its seven-day air and land assault on Iraq was "on plan" to overthrow President Saddam Hussein and rid Iraq of alleged weapons of mass destruction. The banners (L to R) read in Spanish, "Seventh Day of War", "1,000 Dead", "5,000 Wounded", "400,000 Refugees"

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain2.jpg

Students protest during a demonstration in central Seville, Spain, March 26, 2003. Thousands of student demonstrators massed in central Seville as part of a series of protests in cities across the Spain on Wednesday, to put pressure on Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's government over the Iraqi conflict.

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/spain3.jpg

Students opposing the war with Iraq pretend to bury a man doing a fascist salute, with an American flag and a poster reading "Democracy" inside a coffin, during a rally that drew thousands of protesters in Madrid March 26, 2003. Reuters witnesses in Baghdad counted at least 15 scorched corpses after bomb and missile strikes intensified on Wednesday


Theking: you really need to bump your own threads twice?

Weather is becoming a factor and has delayed the drive to Baghdad and it is reported that another sand storm is due. In addition the majority of the air sorties being flown are now directed at Iraqs Divisions that are forward positioned around Baghdad and the sand storms are effecting this operation. I think the ten days I predicted ends on Sunday, so will have to wait and see.

I wonder how many armchair generals and ex war vets are playing GI Joe versions of this conflict on the living room floor as we speak..

No, no need to, but why would I want to start a new thread with the same topic title. I will be the determiner of bumping my thread or anyone elses, thank you very much.

toodamnfli I believe there are more people playing Command & Conquer.

Fact: Too much ice cream gives me the shits, causing me to invade the bathroom and violate toilet paper sanctions imposed by the woman of the house.

You're asking for way too much from the critics. Harder to criticize when you have the truth to argue with.

It is true...that truth is a bitch.

Oh man you're a bigger joke than I thought

Bumping your own thread that has no useful info whatsoever. Calling people ignorant and America bashers if they oppose the war or don't agree with you

and saying that if someone has different opinion than you then he must be uninformed and unknowledgeable

Last time I wasted my time chatting with you

It is pleasing to be amused is it not?

I am sorry that you did not learn anything.

Wrong. It is easy to discern who the bashers, haters, and baiters. are from those with a legitimate disagreement. What category do you think you are in?

A difference of opinion is fine if the person has an informed and knowledgeable opinion but many don't have a knowledgeable and informed opinion and just spew out whatever they choose too which makes it fall into the category of basher, hater or baiter.

I am injured.

Shrub, LMAO that is some funny shit. Look there is no one I hate more than shrub. But if I have to choose one over the other I have to choose shrub over saddam. Both sides are dirty as hell in this. Anyone trying to sell you the US is liberating Iraq is either naive or recently released froma mental hospital. But I have to go with shrub on this one. I hate it and it makes me sick to my stomach. But shrub really does win in this one comparison.