It said Napoleon Bonaparte - not me.

Such a wonderful dream.

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Bravo! Your daughter did something that a vast majority of Americans, and citizens of the world are starting to loathe the thought of; MADE A SACRIFICE. She sacrificed to get what she wanted, and I congratulate her for it. :thumbsup

I had a full ride athletic scholarship to the University of Miami for baseball. I lost it before playing a single game because some dindu decided to get stab happy one night at Coconut Grove. That's another story for another thread. But I had to make a decision to drop out or pay my own way. Instead of trying to rely on my parents or the government, I went out and got a full time job to help offset the costs. I was taking 12 - 15 credit hours a semester, and working 40 hours a week. I'm not bragging, I'm proud of the sacrifice I made in order to get what I wanted. I didn't ask for handouts, I didn't expect anyone to feel sorry for me for losing my scholarship. I just put my nose to the grinder and worked my ass off.

That's the problem with society today. A majority of people are looking for loopholes or handouts, not only wanting BUT expecting assistance, and when they don't get it, they didn't fail themselves, the government failed them. That's HORSESHIT! No one in this world owes you shit! When you rely on yourself, you can do amazing things. When you rely on others, you can come up with amazing excuses. It's easy to blame others for your failures, but hard to step up and do what's honorable. :2 cents:

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all ideas of socialists ideas always end - the robbery people who have money and destruction other people's business. then begin to take away property has ordinary people - killing everyone who does not agree. then begin to kill and intelegent and smart people who understand what is happening and talk about it . then comes an even greater economic decline.

Well, somebody has to pay for all the "FREE" shit he promises.Either tax the fuck out of the working class or start printing money.

working for free for socialism is necessarily

Reading this thread. Some of you sociliast types are disgusting. I honestly wish you would be arrested for treason and rot in jail so your poisonous ideas dont effect anyone else.

Does anyone other than me find it insane that we are FORCED to pay even 33% of our hard earned dollars to the government let alone 40%,50% or even 75%???

Boggles my mind.

Not only that, but you're penalized for working harder and making more money. What kind of incentive plan is that!?!? I want to work 18 hours a day, busting my ass to make millions of dollars so I can give 77% of it to the government. I mean, that unemployed pot smoker that sits at home playing video games all day needs someone to take care of him, right? And I also have to spend hours and hours researching marketing trends and securities so I can invest in the right market. So I can pay capital gains taxes of 65%.

This system is rewarding people for being lazy and unmotivated. Completely opposite of what made America great in the first place. :mad:

50 I don't want to pay!!!!
 

Then why aren't you touting Ben Carson as the Republican nominee? Remember Steven Forbes and his tax plan?

A Simple, Transparent and Fair Tax System for All Americans | Official Ben Carson for President 2016

Treatment Plan: Repeal the Entire Tax Code and Replace It With a True 14.9 Percent Flat Tax

• Replace the tax code with a true flat tax â?? no deductions, tax shelters or loopholes.
• Tax all income at a uniform 14.9 percent rate.
• To protect those rising from poverty, apply the flat tax only to income above 150 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). For example, a family of four will not pay the 14.9 percent tax on their first $36,375 of income.
• Treat everyone in America as citizen-owners and require those whose income is at or below 150 percent of the FPL to make a de minimis tax payment annually.
• Tax income only once: no more double taxation of capital gains, dividends and interest income at the personal level.
• Eliminate deductions for home mortgage interest, charitable giving and state and local taxes. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not benefit from these itemized deductions.
• Eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Under the current tax system, the AMT forces middle-class Americans to calculate their tax liability twice and punishes them by requiring them to pay the larger of the two tax bills.
• Abolish the death tax in its entirety.

Too bad he is a bible thumping psycho ...

The US military is the largest example of socialism on the planet. Funny how most conservatives don't even know what they support.

To those who argue against 'free' college, do you also believe kids that attend K-12 should be charged 5-10k a year? We are quickly heading towards 3rd world status because of the amount of uneducated. A kid that graduates from high school now is barely qualified to run the fryer at McDonalds yet we can't figure out why so many of them have lost hope.

I personally think the whole educational system needs to be revamped. Everything learned in those first 12 years of school can be learned in less than half that time, the other half should be focused on higher education and job training. It's insane for a kid to spend 12 years in school only to get out and not know a damn thing.

What makes you think just because there would be free education people would become "educated"? The freeloaders in America would still sit on their ass.

Uni education in Obamas America :Oh crap :



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How much is US debt today?

I'm not proposing Socialism. I'm proposing countries are run for the benefit of the country, not a very small percentile. You have all ignored the facts the China is going to be stronger than the US because that tiny percentile sent jobs there. Not your jobs, only the jobs of your customers.

As for it being great for 18 years olds to work their way through college, at the present rate, those jobs won't exist in 20-30 years. Low skilled jobs will go to migrants, and pay just enough to feed a family. So good luck an 18-year-old getting them. And high skilled jobs will only go to those with parents rich enough to pay for their education. And why only reserve it for college. Why not start 1t 16, 14, 12 when the parents need to fork out. Not that the level will be that great due to Government cutting costs.

But again none can see past their noses.

Why not privatise all health care, social services, police, fire, and a lot more. To see how much money you would save.

Go through the list of what the Government supplies and find the places to cut. Then tell the people who lost their jobs, now living on what they can steal, you did it to save money. And all the while pray nothing happens to you.

For 30 years I paid a fortune to educate K-12. It's called property taxes. The last year I owned commercial property I paid over $25,000 for K-12 education and I never had children. Now I'm supposed to pay for the college education of others as well?



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And if you make a bad investment and lose money you may only offset $3,000 a year. A joke.

Besides the actual income and payroll taxes think about the State taxes, the property taxes, the sales taxes, the gas taxes, the phone taxes, the utility taxes, etc ........

These taxes paid for with after tax money making them even more expensive.

Are you a wall street speculator? The Sanders proposal is to put a fraction of a percent tax on wall street speculators (who are currently taxed at a lower rate than salaried workers) to pay for college tuition.

exactly, make higher education free and at best you will have bunch of kids that go to college just because it's a cool thing to do, many will hang out for a year or 2 then figure this education thing is not for them and give up... wasting everyone's time and tax payer's $$ in the process...

cost is just a bullshit excuse, if you want to get an education you will figure out how to make it happen, just like quite a few in this thread, including myself, have done so themselves... :thumbsup

For now that's the plan. But taxes have a way of expanding. Taxes are passed on and shared by anyone generating income.

Instate tuition for state colleges runs about $10,000 a year or less. A motivated person can work as well as go to school. The lesson to be learned is hard work and discipline as well as the class curriculum.

Nothing in life is free ......

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
normal structure of capital.
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in basis mortage long-term loans.
workers in China getting a penny. All profits go to the international corporations is majority basis in usa.
they hang nets for workers in the factories did not complete suicide
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you offer insulation - it is mean a reduction in corporate profits, reduction of tax deductions = worsening economic situation.
it dangerous offers - as the sagging profits at + -% of loans. not make it possible to pay for US debt payment, as these small percentages will be nowhere to take. and will have to announce bankruptcy. selling all that is pennies.
even any manipulation inflated the cost of the medicine service can reduce the profit - and the impact on the overall financial health of the country. Americans just need to look for work and earnings not only in the US but around the world - as do those same billionaires from corporations. it is necessary to repeat the success rather than to prohibit it for the sake of lazy idiots who never please everyone

you want convert United States in North Korea?
for even to propose such important decisions should at least be competent in the it - different from that more harm than good

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

socialists don't "get it"... my guess is they have nothing to lose and they just want to leech off others hard work...

you phrased it well... why the fuck would anyone want to give fruits of one's labor to anyone else? "vote for me and I'll give you a pay cut next year, and take even bigger percentage of what you've already accomplished in life"... makes no sense at all... :helpme

Maybe you should learn the difference between a speculator and an investor. Speculators arent investing their money in companies as an investment in order for the stocks to grow to pass on to their kids. They are gambling in the short term and a lot of times they are not even using their own money. The largest speculators on the planet are the big financial institutions that are gambling with other peoples money and was one cause The Great Depression and the major cause of the last financial meltdown.

As far as your comment about you being raised different than me, apparently that's true. No one has ever given me a damn thing and I've been able to build an impressive real estate portfolio over the years. I don't think free college is good because I want it for myself, it is good for society on a whole. There lies the difference between us; I care about what's good for society, you care about YOU.

The same could be said of ANY tax Robbie. Why should MY taxes go to subsidies for big business? Or making more nuclear bombs (we have more than enough) or to finance foreign 'wars' that do nothing but make the Industrial Elite richer? Etc etc etc etc.

But forget all that. Bottom line: if you have a good accountant and run your business/life right you don't pay shit in taxes anyway so what's the worry here? :)

you must have missed the detail about Sander's [and Clinton's as well] intent to raise "capital gains taxes"... that means that if you ever decide to sell your "real estate portfolio" [or business or really any asset] you will pay as much as 2/3rds tax on any appreciation you generated as a result of holding it...

you are taking on all the risk, and if things work out well you will pay as much as 2/3rds of any profit generated... I don't see how you could possibly think that's a good thing... :helpme

Agreed. Most degrees are completely worthless anyway.

The only time I'm ok with people living off the system are those that are incapacitated and can't work, though that is relatively rare.
If people are put on a welfare system they should be made uncomfortable, meaning it isn't pleasant to be on it and large incentive to be off.

It's nice to know you run your own police force, fire deptment, build your own roads, hide behind your own military force.. Ect..ect..

Thank god Robbie doesn't get any hand outs and does everything himself.. Good thing Robbie's business is also run on his own private Internet that the govt and tax payers have nothing to do with..

He pays plenty of taxes for the services you listed above. Don't argue to argue you're smarter than that.

So when you retire or rotate your real-estate investments you are ok with paying more than half your profits in taxes?

I admire your generosity.

I'm sure he is also happy that his taxes help keep things like net neutrality in place.. Just imagine what it would do to his business, if suddenly his users were all charged for that video bandwidth used when using his site.. Or if the ISPs could get away with data caps..

I mean it would be sooo unfair if everyone had to pay their fair share all on their own.. Much less, think how horrible it would be if the big guys like manwin could further push the little guys out by making deals to cover their users that poor Robbie couldn't compete with..

I mean it's almost like kids growing up in well off house holds having easy access to education vs kids from the wrong side of the track not being able to compete.

It's a good thing the internet isn't treated like college educations now isn't itor perhaps Robbie wouldn't be able to compete..

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tl;dr: just because something is popular, doesn't make it good or right in any way...

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

The #1 Problem with Americans is every one of us thinks/feels we can become billionaires. So when we see the rich getting richer we think, "That will be ME one day...." so we go along with it.

Doesn't matter that only 2% will ever make more than 100k a year. LOL Americans are all brainwashed when it comes to money, greed, capitalism, etc. We literally let the rich do whatever they want because we (mistakenly) think we will be "one of them" someday. It's actually rather funny in a pathetic sort of way.

Yet not a single nation with socialized healthcare would swap for what the US has..

Yes, real estate that is in good well funded school districts is worth less than real estate in poorly funded school districts -- anything else stupid you want to point out?
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some of y'all sound like your parents. people should have to walk to school like i did. uphill. both ways. in the snow. otherwise they're gonna leech the system and be ungrateful. the horror!

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arguing against educating Americans.


and woj thinks socialists don't "get it".

that doesn't prove anything at all, if you offer something for "free" then obviously it's going to be popular... doesn't make it good or right in any way...

just like no one will seriously propose abolishing (or allowing people to opt-out of) social security, even though in the next few decades, it will become obvious that it was all a ponzi scheme all along and the whole thing will implode...

only government can fuck up something so simple... you pay 15% of your income your whole life... then you have $$ for when you retire... and yet the government somehow managed to make it not work...

do you even realize how much we all would have if we invested 15% ourselves of every penny earned our whole lives, 95% of us would be millionaires.... yet somehow due to government incompetence most of us will end up with $500/month check which will barely be enough to buy some food...