dyna mo

you may recall my thread already solving Fermi's paradox,

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...light=universe



here's the latest (and more):

The aliens are silent because they are extinct | ANU


"The mystery of why we haven't yet found signs of aliens may have less to do with the likelihood of the origin of life or intelligence and have more to do with the rarity of the rapid emergence of biological regulation of feedback cycles on planetary surfaces," he said.

Wet, rocky planets, with the ingredients and energy sources required for life seem to be ubiquitous, however, as physicist Enrico Fermi pointed out in 1950, no signs of surviving extra-terrestrial life have been found.

A plausible solution to Fermi's paradox, say the researchers, is near universal early extinction, which they have named the Gaian Bottleneck.

"One intriguing prediction of the Gaian Bottleneck model is that the vast majority of fossils in the universe will be from extinct microbial life, not from multicellular species such as dinosaurs or humanoids that take billions of years to evolve," said Associate Professor Lineweaver.


Gaian regulation:

The regulation of carbon dioxide and climate: Gaia or geochemistry.


we are all alone in the Universe. enjoy it! we got the whole place to ourselves!!

420

Why do people say humans are the only intelligent life on earth?

The humanoids on other planets didn't make it past the ice age. Now we must wait until their dolphins grow thumbs and build space ships.

atom

"Life on Earth probably played a leading role in stabilising the planet's climate," he said.

Please let Mark Prince know this.

Thank you

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EonBlue

The reason we can't find aliens is because climate change killed them. At least that's the reason according to this drivel:

Why Can't We Find Aliens? Climate Change Killed Them




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dyna mo

umm, hmmm, well, not sure how to say this, so i'll just say it, that's the research i cited in my OP.

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EonBlue

Ooops, sorry. Didn't make the connection due to lack of reading the entire link in your OP. My bad. Modified my post.

But what is laughable in the Discovery link I posted is that they expand on the theory in your posted link and blame industrialized society as the cause of the climate change that leads to the extinction. You know - to make us feel bad for having an industrial society and for just being human.



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dyna mo

liberal media already trying to politicize the science, the libs will love it!

aliens killed themselves with their own industrial pollution....all gleaned from the OP study. classic.

Coup

If the infinite multiverse theory is correct, there is a version of me out there somewhere that is masturbating to this thread IRL right now.

Really makes you think, man.

Penny24Seven

Funny how people can make a claim either way. When you realize just how big the universe is and there could be life even in our own galaxy and we would not know it.
Our radio waves have just started to reach a few of the closest stars in our own galaxy and will take 50 thousand years to cover just the milky way. There is still a billion more galaxies out there with billions of planets and stars in them.
How in the hell can we know anything? No fucking way.

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dyna mo

typical liberal journalism, they didn't even read the original paper.

from there:

"The existence of life on Earth today might have more to do with the unusually rapid biological evolution of effective niche construction and Gaian regulation in the first billion years. Habitability and habitable zones would then not only be a passive abiotic property of stellar and planetary physics and chemistry (such as stellar luminosity, initial water content, and decreasing bombardment rate) but would also be a result of early life’s ability to influence initially abiotic geochemical cycles and turn them into the life-mediated biogeochemical cycles that we are familiar with on the current Earth (Lenton,
1998; Lenton et al., 2004; Schneider, 2004; Falkowski et al., 2008; Kump et al., 2009).

Without rapid evolution of Gaian regulation, early extinction would be the most common fate of planetary life. Even if the emergence of life is a common feature of wet rocky planets throughout the Universe, the Gaian bottleneck model suggests that inhabited Earth-like planets would be rare."

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PR_Glen

there is nothing very unique about the existence of life. There is something very unique about what you consider to be proof though.

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EonBlue

I agree. And what if an intelligent alien civilization has not yet developed radio technology? What if they are like we were in the 1800's or even ancient times? That is still a civilization and is intelligent. Or maybe they didn't develop high powered broadcast technology and are using wires and/or very low powered antennas.

The whole premise of discounting an intelligent alien life-form out there simply because we haven't "found" one yet is ludicrous.



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dyna mo

the whole premise that there must be intelligent life out their on account of the universe is real big is ludicrous.

EonBlue

Of course not. They always go into everything with the notion that climate change = bad, humans cause climate change, therefore humans = bad.

And they will twist and spin anything they can find to give the false impression that it backs up their premise.



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dyna mo

there's something very unique about your need to make this about me.

EonBlue

Not saying that there must be intelligent life out there because the universe is big. But if I had to bet I would put money on there is over there isn't.

The reality is we will probably never know one way or another.



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CDSmith

"In the universe"

Christ's teeth, what size of an ego does it take to declare something like that openly as fact I wonder. Unless the author(s) of that scientific 'factoid' have actually visited every one of the untold number of galaxies out there, each containing millions of worlds habitable or otherwise conducive to life, both as we know it and as we yet don't know it, only then will a paper like that truly meet the definition of fact.

Science loves to upjump their theories to the rank of fact, quite often in fact. We haven't even fully explored our own damned solar system so I find it highly suspect that anyone on Earth can say with any degree of certainty as to what sorts of life may or may not be out there in a universe so vast it's beyond insane.

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dyna mo

ftr, the study's authors simply posited their research results as a possible solution to Fermi's paradox.

Penny24Seven

That is what I am saying. I mean no matter what they have if they are a million light years away we will never know.
They say how the closest star is just 4 million light years away. Yeah that is only 15,000 years if we fly there LOL, no problem hop on in and lets take a space trip.
So it would take a million years just to get out of the galaxy or to stop by the other side.
Another million years to fly back and say look what we found bitches

and all of this is just 1 galaxy out of 200 billion, seems legit or maybe it was 2 billion galaxies. Whatever it is the number is so huge.

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dyna mo

that's right. it's really more a personal belief topic.
i don't see what the big deal is in needing to believe we are not alone though. and people that get offended that some can believe we are alone. so what, we're alone in the universe. it's not like we're not alone in it right now in reality. we can't find other intelligent life, they can't find us. in essence, we are alone in the Universe.

the other fascinating part of this is the new science that is emerging- astrobiology. that's some cool shit right there! and it also is more able to look for intelligent life intelligently rather than astronomers or astrophysicists.

blackmonsters

Scientific proof that we found nothing.
That's a good one.

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CaptainHowdy

Science is going to the shitter ...

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dyna mo

What's makes you say that?

dyna mo

You do realize 0 is a real number right?

BaldBastard

Dark matter and dark energy makes up more than 95% of this planet and universe we live in.. Yet we don't even know yet how to detect let alone see them.

2MuchMark

Hmm.

1. Dynamo misquotes scientific paper, mistakes "plausible" for "proof" to fit his own mindset.
2. Invites discussion.
3. Trashes all ideas and those that offer those ideas that don't fit his own.

conclusion: douche.

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rogueteens

no it's not. you just do not grasp just how big the universe is.

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blackmonsters

I now have scientific proof that you have that real number in your head.

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PR_Glen

You are the one making the claim, not anyone else.

both that of which you listed are just theoretical hypotheses, not proof. Dated ones at that.

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MiamiBoyz

Sorry but science will not help you in this argument.

On Jesus can Praise his holy name.



And his virgin mother Mary ... oh, nevermind.

dyna mo

i didn't misquote jack shit, dumbfuckwad.

i didn't invite discussion, dumbfuckwad

the only ideas trashed in here have been mine, dumbfuckwad, just like what your hypocritical dumbfuckwad punk ass just did.

you're a fucking joke. go back to your fucking science, a dumbfuck Transformers movie and leave the real science to people who actually study it.

dyna mo

you've never struck me as being easily distracted, ********** style. yet here you are needing to point out how distracted you are. why even bother? now what?

dyna mo

i grasp the fact no one knows with absolute certainty how big the universe is.

i also grasp the fact that creating intelligent life isn't based on a statistic.

dyna mo

you also missed the date of publication on the topic of this thread. unless you're now trying to suggest yesterday is dated science research for you.

dyna mo

you should prolly just stick to your racist rants in your threads.

blackmonsters

Your race card smells like shit because you pulled it out of your ass.




I don't claim that you're fucking dumb because you are white; I just claim that you're fucking dumb.

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dyna mo

got it, not 1 single fuck given, now run along and go tend to your racist shit thread.

blackmonsters

Angry white man

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dyna mo

got it, not 1 single fuck given, now run along and go tend to your racist shit thread.

blackmonsters

Angrier White Man

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dyna mo

not 1 single fuck given if that's what you think, ask yourself why the fuck would dyna mo give 1 single fuck.

and i have a question for you also, serious- have you and i crossed paths before? have i done something to you that caused you to need to come in here and call me names for starting a fun thread?

blackmonsters

STFU, you asked me if I realized that 0 was a real number and you thought you'd get a really nice reply?

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dyna mo

STFU,you left out how you first yapped "scientific proof that nothing exists? " and you thought you'd not get asked if you know that nothing is a natural occurence in science and math?

that's when you- not being a racist or nothing, started referring to me as the angry white man.


chill out man. you can't do that though. ********** ish. no biggie here, as per usual not 1... blah blah.





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anyhoo, it's not a foregone conclusion we are not alone in the Universe. The original study didn't approach the equation assuming we are alone. they plugged in their theory and the results came out.

sure i used the word "proof", i chose that word because this sort of science proves the opposite is not proof either, that we are not alone.

bushwacker

It's a hard subject for me to wrap my pea brain around, as the universe is mind boggling large.
IMHO, it is certainly plausible that there could be intelligent life somewhere in the universe.

However me thinks the human race will be long gone before any visit our planet.

The Porn Nerd

Mathmeticians have zero real life experience. They just go on probabilities based on the skimpiest of "evidence". It's like mental masturbation to them. Like they KNOW (yeah right) how big the Universe is, when it will "die", when it was "born", blah blah blah.

I would LOVE to be a theoretical physicist because then no one could ever prove me "wrong". What a joke.

The aliens are directly opposite us, behind our sun, that's why we can't find them. Duh.

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dyna mo

that's basically the same results this study concluded. before life can get to the level of intelligence/technology/space travel, which obviously requires billions of years, it's usually long gone.

dyna mo

that's what's so cool about these astrobiologists! instead of crunching the math and determining based on Drake's equation that the probability of intelligent life is out there, these guys mix a variety of science disciplines and apply that to Fermi's equation. pretty cool.

dillfly2000

Well, If we land on another planet.... bam! intelligent life on another planet.
But you did say universe OP, So I'll not use my statement as a response but rather a simple fact.

blah blah...astrophysics... smug.... hipster... coffee... blah

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blackmonsters

Yo mama!

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