Is Russia's Putin Going to Avenge the Turkish Downing of a Russian Jet Fighter?

[TCLGirls]

Is Putin going to flex his muscle? Or is he all talk? Where is Cyberceo to answer this question?

[sandman!]

some turkish plane might be shot down by accident

[j3rkules]

I hope Russia is gonna save world from terrorism! Without turkey it is gonna be easier...

[Sarn]

destroy the illegal business of oil in Syria - and establish there a secular state,
it be best avenge people who shot down plane.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Sarn

destroy the illegal business of oil in Syria - and establish there a secular state,
it be best avenge people who shot down plane.

not to mention the odd fractures for the NATO alliance

[Barry-xlovecam]

I just read that Putin has declared Syria to be a no fly zone for Turkish aircraft ...

tit for tat?

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I just read that Putin has declared Syria to be a no fly zone for Turkish aircraft ...
tit for tat?

No, he said, let them try to fly
PS: can not fly combat aircraft in the territory of a sovereign country. it is international law.

[Barry-xlovecam]

That's what we call a ''double edged sword''

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

That's what we call a ''double edged sword''

are you referring to the russian craft flying in syria?

i think they closed syrian airspace immediately, and set up a bunch of anti aircraft along the turkish border

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

That's what we call a ''double edged sword''

No it's called you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Syria no longer has control of its territorial airspace.
Syria no longer controls 2/3 of its land mass territory.
Syria has no territorial integrity.
Syria is a failed state.
Syria is a no man's land for all intents and purposes.

In the colloquial: Syria is a shooting gallery.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Syria no longer has control of its territorial airspace.
Syria no longer controls 2/3 of its land mass territory.
Syria has no territorial integrity.
Syria is a failed state.
Syria is a no man's land for all intents and purposes.

In the colloquial: Syria is a shooting gallery.

is that some sort of justification on how international law doesn't apply to western forces? It would have applied before all these things had occurred, so we'd still be in violation, wouldn't we?

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Sarn

destroy the illegal business of oil in Syria - and establish there a secular state,
it be best avenge people who shot down plane.

because that's worked out so well in the past - take your pick between brutal theocracy or brutal dictatorship, that's all that works in the ME

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Is Putin going to flex his muscle? Or is he all talk? Where is Cyberceo to answer this question?

I'm not a Putin's doctor and I have no idea on what's going on in his head. Ask somebody else.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I just read that Putin has declared Syria to be a no fly zone for Turkish aircraft ...

Turkish military aircrafts don't fly over Syria anymore. That's a fact. Actually I have predicted it on the same day when Russian bomber was downed. I have said that Russia will be hunting on Turkish warplanes and they will stop just flying there. I'm not reading Putin's mind, that's just a standard military response (routine).

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Syria no longer has control of its territorial airspace.
Syria no longer controls 2/3 of its land mass territory.
Syria has no territorial integrity.
Syria is a failed state.
Syria is a no man's land for all intents and purposes.

In the colloquial: Syria is a shooting gallery.

+ Refugees and terrorists for world

Originally Posted by _Richard_

is that some sort of justification on how international law doesn't apply to western forces? It would have applied before all these things had occurred, so we'd still be in violation, wouldn't we?

it is not news))

Originally Posted by Mutt

because that's worked out so well in the past - take your pick between brutal theocracy or brutal dictatorship, that's all that works in the ME

if theocracy based on islamic jihadist wing, I do not think there is we have a choice.

[dyna mo]

he already "avenged" it by bombing that border back when this all happened. he's moved on to wanting to be buddy buddy with USA now.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Sarn

destroy the illegal business of oil in Syria - and establish there a secular state,
it be best avenge people who shot down plane.

Under Assad Syria is a secular state...it is ONLY the Americans and Europeans who want to have the "moderate" rebels to succeed to form islamic radical state....

[Barry-xlovecam]

I am not justifying anything -- the reality is what it is.

Russia is just telling the Turks not to get in their way

The US led "coalition" and Russia have an agreement about overflights and coordination in Syrian airspace. This controls Syrian airspace.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he already "avenged" it by bombing that border back when this all happened. he's moved on to wanting to be buddy buddy with USA now.

for this need new US president. Like this



after the election in US, I think Putin may be more flexible.
and now is the time for political show

Originally Posted by celandina

Under Assad Syria is a secular state...it is ONLY the Americans and Europeans who want to have the "moderate" rebels to succeed to form islamic radical state....

All are engaged most easy things - make accusations of each other

[brassmonkey]

they will be having turkey for christmas!!! dahahahaha!!!

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I am not justifying anything -- the reality is what it is.
Russia is just telling the Turks not to get in their way
The US led "coalition" and Russia have an agreement about overflights and coordination in Syrian airspace. This controls Syrian airspace.

Erdogan creates unnecessary problems between us and USA.
To prevent destroy isis.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

for this need new US president. Like this



after the election in US, I think Putin may be more flexible.
and now is the time for political show

All are engaged most easy things - make accusations of each other

It's funny but the Soviet Union and Russia have always had better relationship with the USA with a republican leader in power.

Originally Posted by Sarn

Erdogan creates unnecessary problems between us and USA.

Both countries do it. Erdogan worth Putin. They are a couple crazy dictators with imperial ambitions. Each of them is ready to trigger a nuclear world war because of their ego.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sarn

for this need new US president. Like this



after the election in US, I think Putin may be more flexible.
and now is the time for political show

All are engaged most easy things - make accusations of each other

Hah, putie just went otr praising trump.

[Sednub997]

Tykey will regret for that.

[Horatio Caine]

He isn't doing shit. All talk and no-one gives rats ass. Russians demanded compensation and apology from Turks, instead got middle finger.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

He isn't doing shit. All talk and no-one gives rats ass. Russians demanded compensation and apology from Turks, instead got middle finger.

Living in a cave? Russia has attacked Turkish convoy on November 25 and for some reason there was no single response from the so-called NATO alliance. How come?

Russia destroys Turkish truck convoy headed for Syrian militants -- Erdogan silent - Fort Russ
Russia Bombs Aid Convoy Amid Airspace Dispute, Turkey Says
Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It's funny but the Soviet Union and Russia have always had better relationship with the USA with a republican leader in power.

because we have no democratic party and candidates of them. and this is a mistake.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Both countries do it. Erdogan worth Putin. They are a couple crazy dictators with imperial ambitions. Each of them is ready to trigger a nuclear world war because of their ego.

Well, we did not shoot down their fighter.
you too think that the to bomb isis is bad? putin must stop and assad must go

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Hah, putie just went otr praising trump.

I think Hilary will be normal for putin too

do not need to be a professional in reading body language))

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Well, we did not shoot down their fighter.
you too think that the to bomb isis is bad? putin must stop and assad must go

That Su-24 was NOT bombing ISIS. It was bombing Turkmen - the ethnic Turks in Syria near the Turkish border. That's why it was downed. If you still didn't get it, try to imagine some foreign (say Albanian) plane which bombs ethnic Russians somewhere in Belorussia or Ukraine near our border. Would we tolerate it? No? So why Turks have to tolerate ours doing the same?

Hint: Sometimes it worth to look at the map before you post.



P.S. Можно и по-русски

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by Sarn

I think Hilary will be normal for putin too

ну ващета Vladimir Putin Praises Donald Trump, Sealing a Long-Distance Bromance

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

He isn't doing shit. All talk and no-one gives rats ass. Russians demanded compensation and apology from Turks, instead got middle finger.

I do not think Putin wants to be reconciled with Turkey.
The more external conflicts more easily build autarky and rule forever.
even to the detriment of its citizens.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

That Su-24 was NOT bombing ISIS. It was bombing Turkmen - the ethnic Turks in Syria near the Turkish border. That's why it was downed. If you still didn't get it, try to imagine some foreign (say Albanian) plane which bombs ethnic Russians somewhere in Belorussia or Ukraine near our border. Would we tolerate it? No? So why Turks have to tolerate ours doing the same?

bomb not only isis. where in 2000 Russian citizens fighting in different groups. easier to destroy them in Syria than to wait for them here. this is probably for you a secret that the Russian army destroys targets that threaten our country?

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

чет-та на этой карте одни туркаманы в Сирии живут...Я так думаю что, например, у курдов есть совсем другая карта Сирии. Наши неоднократно, кстати, нарушали границу Израиля, но что-та там спокойно все проходило и связывались с летчиками без проблем...Напомню что и евреи и арабы семиты и евреи вроде бы тоже должны были вписацца когда бомбят братский семитский народ. Ну может зассали Путена, конешна, а турки не зассали

вот судя по этой карте кто-то пиздит, или наши или турки. Судя по нашей, Су 24 отбомбился под Мааратом и петлей возвращался на базу, возможно выполняя разведку или в "свободной охоте"



чорный ящик СУ 24 нашли, щас Ваван озабочен тем чтобы создать международную комиссию по расшифровке, вона Камерона хотел подписать на это, да тот не с дуба рухнул так подставляться. А без международной комиссии опять скажут што русские напездели, как с фото\видео бензовозов, да тот же Кунгуров и скажет

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

bomb not only isis. where in 2000 Russian citizens fighting in different groups. easier to destroy them in Syria than to wait for them here.

Whaaaaaat? Do you read what you post???

Originally Posted by Sarn

this is probably for you a secret that the Russian army destroys targets that threaten our country?

Sure. We bomb grain elevators and kill civilian workers there because they are threatening Russia? You mad, bro?

Here is the evidence from the official youtube channel of Russian Defense Ministry.

Uno:



Dos:



WTF they are doing there? How stupid a person should be to confuse grain elevators with the oil storage field? Since then Syrian flour became a danger for Russia?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

чет-та на этой карте одни туркаманы в Сирии живут...Я так думаю что, например, у курдов есть совсем другая карта Сирии. Наши неоднократно, кстати, нарушали границу Израиля, но что-та там спокойно все проходило и связывались с летчиками без проблем...Напомню что и евреи и арабы семиты и евреи вроде бы тоже должны были вписацца когда бомбят братский семитский народ. Ну может зассали Путена, конешна, а турки не зассали

вот судя по этой карте кто-то пиздит, или наши или турки. Судя по нашей, Су 24 отбомбился под Мааратом и петлей возвращался на базу, возможно выполняя разведку или в "свободной охоте"



чорный ящик СУ 24 нашли, щас Ваван озабочен тем чтобы создать международную комиссию по расшифровке, вона Камерона хотел подписать на это, да тот не с дуба рухнул так подставляться. А без международной комиссии опять скажут што русские напездели, как с фото\видео бензовозов, да тот же Кунгуров и скажет

Уж кому-кому, а нашим я вобще не верю. Песдят как дышат. Даже когда самолет был сбит, минобороны до последнего настаивал на версии о ПЗРК, хотя турки сразу же честно признались, что наш самолет сбилии их ВВС. Вот им я верю, а нашим словоблудам - нет.

З.Ы. Из недавнего. Когда Пecкoвa спросили, является ли миллиардерша Tиxoнoвa дочерью президента, тот что ответил? Он ответил, что вообще не знает, кто это. Сегодня спросили Пyтинa и опа, оказывается она его дочь (какой сюрприз!) Надо совсем себя не уважать, чтобы верить всем этим клоунам. Цирк шапито, блеать.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Whaaaaaat? Do you read what you post???

do you even read?

Foreign Minister Lavrov Says 2,000 Russians Have Joined Islamic State | News | The Moscow Times

[Rochard]

This shouldn't be an "eye for an eye" type of thing.

No matter what.... Russia was warned about flying planes in Turkey's airspace. They knew this, everyone in the world knew this, and Russia should have done EVERYTHING to avoid flying even remotely close to their airspace.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Whaaaaaat? Do you read what you post???
Sure. We bomb grain elevators and kill civilian workers there because they are threatening Russia? You mad, bro?
Here is the evidence from the official channel Russian Defense Ministry.
WTF they are doing there? How stupid a person should be to confuse a grain elevators with the oil storage field? Since then Syrian flour became a danger for Russia?

you're an idiot you know that bro?
we do not have as much money as the Americans for to bomb excavators
but guys like jihadi tolik - we must to bomb in syria, for they did not return and was not make terror attack. it represents a threat to us.
Russia's Jihadi Tolik wanted by Interpol - Al Jazeera English

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Living in a cave? Russia has attacked Turkish convoy on November 25 and for some reason there was no single response from the so-called NATO alliance. How come?

Russia destroys Turkish truck convoy headed for Syrian militants -- Erdogan silent - Fort Russ
Russia Bombs Aid Convoy Amid Airspace Dispute, Turkey Says
Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria

Try again shitstain "Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria" from RT
You need to do something about English reading comprehension.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by sandman!

some turkish plane might be shot down by accident

sounds fair

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

we do not have as much money as the Americans for to bomb excavators

Seems we are very rich if we really bomb them. I've posted two videos above. Care to comment?

Originally Posted by Sarn

but guys like jihadi tolik - we must to bomb in syria, for they did not return and was not make terror attack.

Only Putin could say that bullshit, because he is a moron (an old stupid clown who believes he is a special one). Why do you re-post it here? Almost all Russians citizens who fight for jihadists in Syria are police database. We both know it. If they will decide to return, they will be arrested right at customs. It's easy, quite and cost no single ruble to the Russian taxpayers. Now tell me how "easy" it will be to find and bomb them in Syria. Do we have some special secret technology which will allow our planes to scan all people in Syria to find out if they are Russian citizens and then destroy their brains with a laser bean or with high precision cruise missiles? I would suggest you to visit a doctor, if you think that's "easier".

Количество дебилов в стране зашкаливает, и это реальнно хреново.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Try again shitstain "Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants in Syria" from RT

I said that Turkish convoy (with military or civilian goods - doesn't matter) was attacked by Russia and there was no response from their NATO "allies". Nobody cares if there were weapons or foods. The facts are: they convoy has belong to a NATO country, it was attacked by Russian army as a revenge and there was no response to it. I thought my post was written in English.

Listen clown, enough is enough. Looks like your mom was a crack whore who did drugs when she was pregnant. You are an idiot. PERIOD.

P.S. Welcome to my ignore list.

[2MuchMark]

I think, I hope, that Pootie will let this slide. He already has sanctions against Turkey I believe its effective retaliation. Or maybe its over retaliation. Regardless, I hope it doesn't get worse.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by **********

I think, I hope, that Pootie will let this slide. He already has sanctions against Turkey I believe its effective retaliation. Or maybe its over retaliation. Regardless, I hope it doesn't get worse.

Nobody can predict his further actions (I've mentioned it in my first post to this thread). The problem is that Putin loves to make shows from anything. Also he is used to wait for about 6-24 months before to show his reaction to high-profile events.

As I said already, Russia has started hunting for Turkish warplanes, but Turks were wise enough to completely stop flying over Syria. That's why Russians decided to attack that Turkish truck convoy (simple there was no other Turkish targets for a revenge). If you ask me about it, I'll tell you that I DO NOT SUPPORT such actions at all. I'm my opinion it was just a plain stupid and barbarian attack.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Is Putin going to flex his muscle? Or is he all talk? Where is Cyberceo to answer this question?

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I'm not a Putin's doctor and I have no idea on what's going on in his head. Ask somebody else.

My question to you is not about what you think is in Putin's head. Rather, my question to you is what you think Putin will do in response to Turkey shooting down a Russian jet.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

My question to you is not about what you think is in Putin's head. Rather, my question to you is what you think Putin will do in response to Turkey shooting down a Russian jet.

As I told you, I have no single idea. I can't read his mind. It's too unpredictable for a sane person.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This shouldn't be an "eye for an eye" type of thing.

No matter what.... Russia was warned about flying planes in Turkey's airspace. They knew this, everyone in the world knew this, and Russia should have done EVERYTHING to avoid flying even remotely close to their airspace.

we won't give in on which provocation of Islamists who want to pit us against NATO.
we will continue to do the secular state in Syria to them to spite.
it is very much of their anger, and is a good Avenge, that as a result will do good for all.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Seems we are very rich if we really bomb them. I've posted two videos above. Care to comment?.

what in those video you don't like ? I do not see problem in them.

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Only Putin could say that bullshit, because he is a moron (an old stupid clown who believes he is a special one). Why do you re-post it here? Almost all Russians citizens who fight for jihadists in Syria are police database. We both know it. If they will decide to return, they will be arrested right at customs. It's easy, quite and cost no single ruble to the Russian taxpayers. Now tell me how "easy" it will be to find and bomb them in Syria. Do we have some special secret technology which will allow our planes to scan all people in Syria to find out if they are Russian citizens and then destroy their brains with a laser bean or with high precision cruise missiles? I would suggest you to visit a doctor, if you think that's "easier".
Количество дебилов в стране зашкаливает, и это реальнно хреново.

many of them have friends relatives at home. they can recruit them. or at the airport of Egypt was not the police? how all had not guessed that the police will solve the problem terrorism - your powerful brain helped us in this I do not know what we would do without your brain

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

As I told you, I have no single idea. I can't read his mind. It's too unpredictable for a sane person.

But the two choices I listed as possibilities (muscle flexing or saber rattling) does not require you to read his mind. Even if Putin is too unpredictable to forecast his specific retaliatory action, one could still have an opinion as to whether Putin will flex his muscle, or will merely continue to rattle his saber..

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Nobody can predict his further actions (I've mentioned it in my first post to this thread). The problem is that Putin loves to make shows from anything. Also he is used to wait for about 6-24 months before to show his reaction to high-profile events.

As I said already, Russia has started hunting for Turkish warplanes, but Turks were wise enough to completely stop flying over Syria. That's why Russians decided to attack that Turkish truck convoy (simple there was no other Turkish targets for a revenge). If you ask me about it, I'll tell you that I DO NOT SUPPORT such actions at all. I'm my opinion it was just a plain stupid and barbarian attack.

you invent these stories himself? They're funny
special "hunting for Turkish warplanes" :
about convoy - if smoug black like this

it is oil burns (to fire)

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

what in those video you don't like ? I do not see problem in them.

So bombing civilian infrastructure and killing Syrian civilians is not a problem to you? Hmm... ok then.

Originally Posted by Sarn

many of them have friends relatives at home. they can recruit them. or at the airport of Egypt was not the police? how all had not guessed that the police will solve the problem terrorism - your powerful brain helped us in this I do not know what we would do without your brain

The most stupid post to this thread. Congrats on that

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

But the two choices I listed as possibilities (muscle flexing or saber rattling) does not require you to read his mind. Even if Putin is too unpredictable to forecast his specific retaliatory action, one could still have an opinion of whether Putin will flex his muscle, or will merely continue to rattle his saber..

Have no single idea. Really.

Originally Posted by Sarn

special "hunting for Turkish warplanes"

Here you go - sometimes it worth to read the public media.



P.S. For those who don't know. A cover range on the picture above is shown for S-300 (9M83ME). The S-400 systems (which are deployed in Syria) is 400 km.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I said that Turkish convoy (with military or civilian goods - doesn't matter) was attacked by Russia and there was no response from their NATO "allies". Nobody cares if there were weapons or foods. The facts are: they convoy has belong to a NATO country, it was attacked by Russian army as a revenge and there was no response to it. I thought my post was written in English.

Listen clown, enough is enough. Looks like your mom was a crack whore who did drugs when she was pregnant. You are an idiot. PERIOD.

P.S. Welcome to my ignore list.

There aren't any facts you dumb fuck. Ever RT can't say it was Russians who bombed it. Blogs? Give me a break asswipe. Go fuck your cousin Svetlana, tell her I said Hi. Oh and go get the Rosetta Stone special for Christmas.