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angeleyes 03-21-2003 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Easton


REALLY?

gamut is defined as "a complete extent or range" in the dictionary

i'd love for you to list that so-called "gamut" of options...

does one involve sending in the french? :1orglaugh

Nah...I think it would have been more effective to send our troops in on horseback and single shot rifles.

I just hope this war ends soon!

Nickatilynx 03-21-2003 12:19 PM

easton,

I understand your support of the coalition.

However I believe only 35 countries supported this action.

Stage one would have been to garner more support.

Fletch XXX 03-21-2003 12:20 PM

that was the only reason i turned the tv louder than my stereo in awhile.

its muted again and the music is again blaring. (american nightmare)

Rocky 03-21-2003 12:24 PM

Destruction is not the law of humans. Man lives freely only by his
readiness to die, if need be, at the hands of his brother, never by killing him.
Every murder or other injury, no matter for what cause, committed or inflicted on another is a crime against humanity.

Carrie 03-21-2003 12:25 PM

Hopefully once they get the taste of freedom things will change, but there will always be people who think the way Nick anticipates. It's human nature to hate and to blame.

And just think, while all of this is going on we've got North Korea barking up our tree. News ticker about an hour ago reported that NK was saying this attack was a open aggressive move against THEM, that we are enticing THEM and baiting THEM into action by doing this. They're fucking insane. They think we're doing this just to prove to them we can fight a war on two fronts and we're "daring" them to move.
Haven't seen report of this on any of the sites to confirm but I'll look for it.

CDSmith 03-21-2003 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie
Hopefully once they get the taste of freedom things will change, but there will always be people who think the way Nick anticipates. It's human nature to hate and to blame.

And just think, while all of this is going on we've got North Korea barking up our tree. News ticker about an hour ago reported that NK was saying this attack was a open aggressive move against THEM, that we are enticing THEM and baiting THEM into action by doing this. They're fucking insane. They think we're doing this just to prove to them we can fight a war on two fronts and we're "daring" them to move.
Haven't seen report of this on any of the sites to confirm but I'll look for it.

That is typical upstart mentality. No matter what the USA does in the world, "it's all about them" (N. Korea).


Now where have I heard the "this is all about me" shit before?

Carrie 03-21-2003 12:30 PM

Here's a piece of it (N. Korean statement):
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapc...rea/index.html

Easton 03-21-2003 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx
easton,

I understand your support of the coalition.

However I believe only 35 countries supported this action.

Stage one would have been to garner more support.

i just heard on CNBC a few minutes ago that the official list is now at 45... but anyhow, haven't the allies been trying to get world support since november? when is enough enough? :2 cents:

Fletch XXX 03-21-2003 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky

Every murder or other injury, no matter for what cause, committed or inflicted on another is a crime against humanity.

Ridiculous.

I suppose watching a group of Iraq republic gaurds pound your little sister and ass fuck her, and your mother while you watch and possibly kill them both, or simply take them and you never see them again,... wouldnt make you kill? Or want to fight and kill?

'no matter the cause?'

thats ridiculous in this type of world.

CDSmith 03-21-2003 12:33 PM

I just opened my front door and farted in public.

Loudly.


It was all about N. Korea of course.

CDSmith 03-21-2003 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx
easton,

I understand your support of the coalition.

However I believe only 35 countries supported this action.

Stage one would have been to garner more support.

Those 35 countries represent every populated continent, ever race, well over a billion people. How much fucking *support* should they wait for?

PersianKitty 03-21-2003 12:37 PM

They keep using earthviewer.com. Their servers are so slammed right now that you can't connect to them.

Sly_RJ 03-21-2003 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx
The kids in the Middle East on the other hand will walk barefoot to a standing pipe and drink some tainted water. and brood about the people that killed there cousin.
You think in 20 years Iraq will still be like that?

I don't. Not after this. Do you see the Bombs Over Baghdad? The bombs bursting in air?

CDSmith 03-21-2003 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Ridiculous.

I suppose watching a group of Iraq republic gaurds pound your little sister and ass fuck her, and your mother while you watch and possibly kill them both, or simply take them and you never see them again,... wouldnt make you kill? Or want to fight and kill?

'no matter the cause?'

thats ridiculous in this type of world.

Yes, Iraqi's that are now living a free life in Canada were interviewed recently, and did describe the "rape rooms" and various methods of oppression used on the Iraqi people by Saddam's gang.

Sly_RJ 03-21-2003 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Those 35 countries represent every populated continent, ever race, well over a billion people. How much fucking *support* should they wait for?
Even if we did garner even more support, we would be accused of buying the support and would yet again be looked down upon.

Carrie 03-21-2003 12:40 PM

More about N. Korea:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...asp?reg=PACRIM
http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp
and here:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...asp?reg=PACRIM
"N.Korea says Iraq war part of attack plan
SEOUL, March 20 ? North Korea said on Friday the U.S.-led Iraq war was part of a strategy to attack it and told South Korea it was playing with fire if it tried to boost defenses against the North during the Gulf conflict. "


Back to Iraq - looks like the planes are almost back to Baghdad for the second strike, lots of anti-aircraft fire going on.

Easton 03-21-2003 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Even if we did garner even more support, we would be accused of buying the support and would yet again be looked down upon.

very, very true bro...

Rocky 03-21-2003 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Ridiculous.

I suppose watching a group of Iraq republic gaurds pound your little sister and ass fuck her, and your mother while you watch and possibly kill them both, or simply take them and you never see them again,... wouldnt make you kill? Or want to fight and kill?

'no matter the cause?'

thats ridiculous in this type of world.

Ghandi was a very ridiculous man

Nickatilynx 03-21-2003 12:47 PM

Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in a statement today that despite the best efforts of the international community and the United Nations, ?war has come to Iraq for the third time in a quarter of a century.?



He said that it was possible that, ?if we had persevered a little longer, Iraq could yet have been disarmed peacefully, or ? if not ? the world could have taken action to solve this problem by a collective decision, endowing it with greater legitimacy, and therefore commanding wider support, than is now the case.?

.................................................. .........................................

""endowing it with greater legitimacy""

interesting phrase.

Fletch XXX 03-21-2003 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky


Ghandi was a very ridiculous man

Why arent you in San Fransisco beating up others like you? Hippies are funny people. Always ready to die and fight, for everything but freedom.

You can sit there and say: 'for no reason at all should man strike anothetr man.'

what a crock of ball boogers.

id smack any man who touched my girl or raped my mom, for you to say differently should make your mom sad to know her son would never protect her.

Go sit and protest im sure itll all go away.

keep dreaming.

Nickatilynx 03-21-2003 12:50 PM

Quote:

Ghandi was a very ridiculous man
Absolutely he gained the freedom of 800m people without the use of arms.

BRISK 03-21-2003 12:52 PM

I read that an anti-war protester fell off the golden gate bridge and died yesterday.

CDSmith 03-21-2003 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky
Ghandi was a very ridiculous man
I don't believe that Ghandi's words were intended to apply to those fighting on the side of rights and freedoms. If they were, then they could be twisted to say that anyone who raised a hand against Hitler was commiting a crime against humanity.


Ghandi's words certainly apply to the murderous oppression that Saddam has wreaked on his people and the world though. Did Ghandi speak up for the side of peace? Absolutely, no question, but was he a big fan of standing by and doing nothing while others are raped, murdered and slaughtered? I have trouble believing any sane man would think like that.

PersianKitty 03-21-2003 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx


Absolutely he gained the freedom of 800m people without the use of arms.

After decades and decades and at which time the country was split into Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan and violence insued. No way is perfect.

Scott McD 03-21-2003 12:56 PM

Ooops,

Some more bombs !!

Rocky 03-21-2003 12:58 PM

It is the law of love that rules mankind. Had violence, i.e. hate, ruled us we should have become extinct long ago. And yet, the tragedy of it is that the so-called civilized men and nations conduct themselves as if the basis of society was violence.

Gandhi was once asked what he thought about western civilization. His response was: "I think it would be a good idea."

Sly_RJ 03-21-2003 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky
It is the law of love that rules mankind. Had violence, i.e. hate, ruled us we should have become extinct long ago. And yet, the tragedy of it is that the so-called civilized men and nations conduct themselves as if the basis of society was violence.

You should go tell Saddam that.

PersianKitty 03-21-2003 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You should go tell Saddam that.

maybe we can send him some flowers.. how about Calla Lily. I have a few blooming in my pond right now.

Rocky 03-21-2003 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You should go tell Saddam that.

i tried, but my email to him just bounced back

Fletch XXX 03-21-2003 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky
It is the law of love that rules mankind. Had violence, i.e. hate, ruled us we should have become extinct long ago. And yet, the tragedy of it is that the so-called civilized men and nations conduct themselves as if the basis of society was violence.

Gandhi was once asked what he thought about western civilization. His response was: "I think it would be a good idea."

You obviously know nothing of mans 'id' and instincts.

If Ghandi would have read or knew anything about Psychology his points may have validity, otherwise, its hippie crap.

And hippie crap dont keep our lands safe.

Again, go sit and protest, im sure itll all go away.

Easton 03-21-2003 01:11 PM

anyone else enjoying the high correlation to bombs dropped and a huge spike in the Dow and S&P 500?

or am i the only one with some money recently placed (Feb 25th) in the in the S&P 500 index? :1orglaugh

Rocky 03-21-2003 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


You obviously know nothing of mans 'id' and instincts.

If Ghandi would have read or knew anything about Psychology his points may have validity, otherwise, its hippie crap.

And hippie crap dont keep our lands safe.

Again, go sit and protest, im sure itll all go away.

i'm pretty sure my active role as an educator (for our children), environmentalist (for our world), fundraiser (for our diseases) and provider of shelter and assistance (for our homeless) furnishes plenty of support to keep our lands and communities safe

but then again, all i do is just sit and protest and hope it'll all go away

my question is, what do you do about it?

CosmicKitten 03-21-2003 01:24 PM

thats it... I'm giving away everything and going to live in the forest and worship trees.

Fletch XXX 03-21-2003 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky


i'm pretty sure my active role as an educator (for our children), environmentalist (for our world), fundraiser (for our diseases) and provider of shelter and assistance (for our homeless) furnishes plenty of support to keep our lands and communities safe

but then again, all i do is just sit and protest and hope it'll all go away

my question is, what do you do about it?

I dont need to brag about what I am involved in to prove my point. You might, I dont. What I do I do for personal reasons, you do what looks good to you on paper.

Your basic way of life goes agains Ghandi, im sure he would be way pro-internet porn. The internet you surf right now was designed for what again?

Nothing you do has a damn thing to do with whats going on, go sit and protest, talk shit about whats going on, it doesnt change it, and no matter how much you stomp your feet, you cant change it.

I dont like seeing people die either but for you to sit there and say you wouldnt kill a man who was raping your mom is fucking retarded.

Thats the base for my stance, you said 'for no reason' should man injure another.

hahaha yeah ok, that fixes it.

Sit home in your nice car and talk shit about it, hold your stance for freedom but dont help others gain that freedom.

That is why your way sucks. You wont fight for other people whereas the basic instinct of man is to protect other men, THAt is what is happening here, youre just too much of a pussy to want to fight for freedom.

sit back and let those whowill do so.

again you do what looks good to you on paper, we do what we must.

Easton 03-21-2003 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by CosmicKitten
thats it... I'm giving away everything and going to live in the forest and worship trees.
in Canada you can take a vow of perpetual poverty and have zero income taxes to pay... something to think about as tax season looms :1orglaugh

matty 03-21-2003 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx
Carrie,

I love the people of the US. And am happy that coalition casualties have been minimal.

But I think that they have made a major error of judgement.

There will probably be 20 million young people (kids and young teens) throughout the Middle East that will grow up despising the west.

We have created a sword over the head of our children.And it is a scimitar. :(

I read an article a few months back that stated more children die each month over there due to lack of support for humanity from the government, than deaths in the Persian Gulf War.

Rocky 03-21-2003 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


again you do what looks good to you on paper, we do what we must.

just wondering how the WE in "we do what we must" includes you?

rossiya2 03-21-2003 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by dazzling
But just to see how easy it is to foo; these so called smart weapons which are in fact dumb weapons lets take a quick look at how easy the serbs did it using training and info supplied them by the Russians....
<P>

Iraq can't hold a candle to Serbia. Serbia is part of Europe and the core zone. Iraq is stuck in the 7th century and in the gap zone. This and future U.S. wars are about controlling gap nations along the seam nations like Iran, South Africa, Phillipines to prevent their ripping into the core nations.

PersianKitty 03-21-2003 01:52 PM

Looks like the planes needed to get back to the carriers. All clear for now.

CDSmith 03-21-2003 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky
just wondering how the WE in "we do what we must" includes you?
I don't know, call me nuts but if I was a taxpaying U.S. citizen who exercises my right to vote, I too would feel comfortable saying "We" in reference to my nation. I certainly do when I've spoken about Canada in past topics, in a descriptive context..... not to claim that I alone speak for my country that is.


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