The lastest Jane's in from one year ago. You don't think the USA government hasn't ordered more since? I got my numbers from the Pentagon briefing I heard yesterday.

Secondly, we don't need to destroy the bunker. All we need to do is seal off the exits and let them suffocate.

God I hate that this has to happen. It *is* impressive and we've only seen the start of it, there are still 9 hours of darkness left in Iraq... but god.
That egotistical sonofabitch thinks that HE is Iraq and that Iraq is HIM... couldn't just step down for the sake of his people.
Hubris - pure and simple.
Please let him be taken out so this can be over as quickly as possible with as few lives lost as possible.

And may those missiles and bombs find their targets swiftly and accurately - fly straight and sure - and our pilots and soldiers return to base safely.

I knew there was a reason I like you PK.

You got moxy! :thumbsup

For: Saddam & Sons

From: GW "Junior" Bush

http://zingy.net/Humor_US/archives/wav/dogshit.wav

This war is too interesting. People should be joining porn sites, not watching TV :)

Carrie...that's just the problem.. he doesn't care about the people of Iraq.

Nick even if we did nothing, we'd still be seen as the bully, unfortunately. People fear our *potential* to be the bully even if we do nothing. :(

Although Janes recoreds on Tomahawks are nearly 12 months old, you must acknowledge the FACT also that Tomahawks block production takes around FOUR years!
There are NO orders at the moment for tomahawks becuse they are in process of upgrading the production to the new level Tomahawks!

*nodding*
And that's exactly why our tax dollars are hard at work now. Too bad his people were too afraid to put a bullet through his head (and all of his clones) and stop all this before it started.

The US is not going to put itself in a position to use every single bomb/missile that we have.

But just to see how easy it is to foo; these so called smart weapons which are in fact dumb weapons lets take a quick look at how easy the serbs did it using training and info supplied them by the Russians....

An overview of tactics employed by the Yugoslav army to limit the effectiveness of the NATO air strikes:

Yugoslav air defences tracked U.S. stealth aircraft by using old Russian radars operating on long wavelengths. This, combined with the loss of stealth characteristics when the jets got wet or opened their bomb bays, made them shine on radar screens.
Radars confused precision-guided HARM and ALARM missiles by reflecting their electromagnetic beams off heavy farm machinery, such as plows or old tractors placed around the sites. This cluttered the U.S. missiles' guidance systems, which were unable to pinpoint the emitters.
Scout helicopters would land on flatbed trucks and rev their engines before being towed to camouflaged sites several hundred metres away. Heat-seeking missiles from NATO jets would then locate and go after the residual heat on the trucks.
Yugoslav troops used cheap heat-emitting decoys such as small gas furnaces to simulate nonexistent positions on Kosovo mountainsides. B-52 bombers, employing advanced infrared sensors, repeatedly blasted the empty hills.
The army drew up plans for covert placement of heat and microwave emitters on territory that NATO troops were expected to occupy in a ground war. This was intended to trick the B-52s into carpet-bombing their own forces.
Dozens of dummy objectives, including fake bridges and airfields were constructed. Many of the decoy planes were so good that NATO claimed that the Yugoslav air force had been decimated. After the war, it turned out its entire airforce had survived unscathed.
Fake tanks were built using plastic sheeting, old tires, and logs. To mimic heat emissions, cans were filled with sand and fuel and set alight. Hundreds of these makeshift decoys were bombed, leading to wildly inflated destruction claims.
Bridges and other strategic targets were defended from missiles with laser-guidance systems by bonfires made of old tires and wet hay, which emit dense smoke filled with laser-reflecting particles.
U.S. bombs equipped with GPS guidance proved vulnerable to old electronic jammers that blocked their links with satellites.
Despite NATO's total air supremacy, Yugoslav jets flew combat missions over Kosovo at extremely low altitudes, using terrain to remain undetected by AWACS flying radars.
Weapons that performed well in Afghanistan ? Predator drones, Apache attack choppers and C-130 Hercules gunships ? proved ineffective in Kosovo. Drones were easy targets for 1940s-era Hispano-Suisa anti-aircraft cannons, and C-130s and Apaches were considered too vulnerable to be deployed.
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Actually they keep saying "tomahawk cruise missiles" but I wonder if they mean cruise missiles overall of which there are several types.

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relax guy!

Kinda reminds me of the Romulan Bird of Prey.

Carrie,

I love the people of the US. And am happy that coalition casualties have been minimal.

But I think that they have made a major error of judgement.

There will probably be 20 million young people (kids and young teens) throughout the Middle East that will grow up despising the west.

We have created a sword over the head of our children.And it is a scimitar. :(

And there aren't 20 million young people in the West growing up hating the people of the Middle East because of 9/11? Not saying one is worse than the other, but hell... Saddam had warning at least.

Even after they no longer need to fear saying the wrong words? Or wearing the wrong clothes? Or voting for someone other than the current President?

Yes, and thusly there will be a *sword* dangling above the heads of the "20 million middle east children"....... except it's not a sword, it's a tactical nuke.

good point Nick...

but
This was a decision that no one wanted to have to ultimately make... but the ugly side is.... if we sat back and did nothing... and another attack like 9/11 came.. who takes the blame for not doing more???

Have women even been allowed to vote in Iraq? I doubt it.

Soon, and when they do hopefully all those mothers will pass their appreciation of what the USA did for them on to their children.

Nick what you say may be true but the other options were worse.
Do you think 9/11 wasn't going to happen again? That we had years to let the CIA go to work to root this shit out? The U.N is useless, nobody was going to do shit about anything.

Bush is taking out a despicable regime that nobody else in the world would or could - he should be applauded. If this riles up those fucking terrorists so be it. We didn't start this fire, they did.

And about the U.S. losing respect around the world. Losing France and Germany's, amongst others respect is a badge of honor.

seems like i picked a good thread to get spot #2... :glugglug

LOL it's not she you see, it's the other people in Power that think they are gods!

PK,

"""And there aren't 20 million young people in the West growing up hating the people of the Middle East because of 9/11? Not saying one is worse than the other, but hell... Saddam had warning at least."""

Not to the same extent,PK.

Our youngsters will switch off there colour TVs,jump into there dads benz and drive to Starbucks and spend 5.50 for a coffee light a cigarette and talk about last weeks Survivor

The kids in the Middle East on the other hand will walk barefoot to a standing pipe and drink some tainted water. and brood about the people that killed there cousin.

"""but
This was a decision that no one wanted to have to ultimately make... but the ugly side is.... if we sat back and did nothing... and another attack like 9/11 came.. who takes the blame for not doing more???

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Greg,

Very valid point indeed.

But there is a gamut of options between that attack and doing nothing.

coffee is up to $5.50? tell me that's not US$ too

dayum, good thing i don't drink coffee or smoke... LOL

If Iraq wasn't held by a greedy asshole, the people of their country will flourish in the same way the people of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have for years. When every bit of money the country has isn't spent on huge palace compounds inlayed with gold, etc... they'll be riding in Benzies also. Have you seen the streets of Kuwait? There's more luxury cars then Beverly Hills.

Starbucks Venti Latte with Irish Cream and whipped cream in Seattle is $3.76 (tax included).

REALLY?

gamut is defined as "a complete extent or range" in the dictionary

i'd love for you to list that so-called "gamut" of options...

does one involve sending in the french? :1orglaugh

jeezus... thanks for the heads up on that... that's like $5.70 cdn

Nah...I think it would have been more effective to send our troops in on horseback and single shot rifles.

I just hope this war ends soon!

easton,

I understand your support of the coalition.

However I believe only 35 countries supported this action.

Stage one would have been to garner more support.

that was the only reason i turned the tv louder than my stereo in awhile.

its muted again and the music is again blaring. (american nightmare)

Destruction is not the law of humans. Man lives freely only by his
readiness to die, if need be, at the hands of his brother, never by killing him.
Every murder or other injury, no matter for what cause, committed or inflicted on another is a crime against humanity.

Hopefully once they get the taste of freedom things will change, but there will always be people who think the way Nick anticipates. It's human nature to hate and to blame.

And just think, while all of this is going on we've got North Korea barking up our tree. News ticker about an hour ago reported that NK was saying this attack was a open aggressive move against THEM, that we are enticing THEM and baiting THEM into action by doing this. They're fucking insane. They think we're doing this just to prove to them we can fight a war on two fronts and we're "daring" them to move.
Haven't seen report of this on any of the sites to confirm but I'll look for it.

That is typical upstart mentality. No matter what the USA does in the world, "it's all about them" (N. Korea).


Now where have I heard the "this is all about me" shit before?

Here's a piece of it (N. Korean statement):
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapc...rea/index.html

i just heard on CNBC a few minutes ago that the official list is now at 45... but anyhow, haven't the allies been trying to get world support since november? when is enough enough? :2 cents:

Ridiculous.

I suppose watching a group of Iraq republic gaurds pound your little sister and ass fuck her, and your mother while you watch and possibly kill them both, or simply take them and you never see them again,... wouldnt make you kill? Or want to fight and kill?

'no matter the cause?'

thats ridiculous in this type of world.

I just opened my front door and farted in public.

Loudly.


It was all about N. Korea of course.

Those 35 countries represent every populated continent, ever race, well over a billion people. How much fucking *support* should they wait for?

They keep using earthviewer.com. Their servers are so slammed right now that you can't connect to them.

You think in 20 years Iraq will still be like that?

I don't. Not after this. Do you see the Bombs Over Baghdad? The bombs bursting in air?

Yes, Iraqi's that are now living a free life in Canada were interviewed recently, and did describe the "rape rooms" and various methods of oppression used on the Iraqi people by Saddam's gang.

Even if we did garner even more support, we would be accused of buying the support and would yet again be looked down upon.

More about N. Korea:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...asp?reg=PACRIM
http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp
and here:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl...asp?reg=PACRIM
"N.Korea says Iraq war part of attack plan
SEOUL, March 20 ? North Korea said on Friday the U.S.-led Iraq war was part of a strategy to attack it and told South Korea it was playing with fire if it tried to boost defenses against the North during the Gulf conflict. "


Back to Iraq - looks like the planes are almost back to Baghdad for the second strike, lots of anti-aircraft fire going on.

very, very true bro...

Ghandi was a very ridiculous man

Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in a statement today that despite the best efforts of the international community and the United Nations, ?war has come to Iraq for the third time in a quarter of a century.?



He said that it was possible that, ?if we had persevered a little longer, Iraq could yet have been disarmed peacefully, or ? if not ? the world could have taken action to solve this problem by a collective decision, endowing it with greater legitimacy, and therefore commanding wider support, than is now the case.?

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""endowing it with greater legitimacy""

interesting phrase.

Why arent you in San Fransisco beating up others like you? Hippies are funny people. Always ready to die and fight, for everything but freedom.

You can sit there and say: 'for no reason at all should man strike anothetr man.'

what a crock of ball boogers.

id smack any man who touched my girl or raped my mom, for you to say differently should make your mom sad to know her son would never protect her.

Go sit and protest im sure itll all go away.

keep dreaming.