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woj · 11-15-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

and plenty of very smart people can grasp the benefits of free public higher education, maybe it's rocket science at teh gfy, who knows. just like elementary school, intermediate school and high school are free.

what are some benefits? one benefit you are probably thinking is that more people will get higher education, but given that most universities get more applicants than they can accept, more people will not actually graduate... and like I said earlier, I would argue that it's possible that fewer people could actually graduate because of the "tire kickers", they take a few classes cause it's a cool thing to do with no intention of actually going all in and graduating...

also, given that supply of jobs requiring higher education is limited, it's debatable if more people graduating is even a benefit in the first place...

dyna mo · 11-15-2015, 11:49 AM

i posted a link to an article outlining several of the many benefits to free public higher education in an earlier post.

saddling young adults with mountains of college debt upon graduation isn't a motivator, in fact, it's the opposite, it's a drain- on them and on society.

baddog · 11-15-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the reality is she's right.

and he took her off on a tangent cornering her about taxation.

I get it, you are going for GFY Troll of the year. Carry on.

dyna mo · 11-15-2015, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I get it, you are going for GFY Troll of the year. Carry on.

no, then you don't get it.

cavuto is a cocksucker for cornering that girl on 1% taxation and completely side-stepping the crust of the topic- you know, education.

she's simply a college student who participated in organizing an event. she's not a politician or professional on the media tour and she's certainly NOT a seasoned interviewee of gotcha journalism and capable of playing that bullshit game Cavuto played.

baddog · 11-15-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, then you don't get it.

cavuto is a cocksucker for cornering that girl on 1% taxation and completely side-stepping the crust of the topic- you know, education.

she's simply a college student who participated in organizing an event. she's not a politician or professional on the media tour and she's certainly NOT a seasoned interviewee of gotcha journalism and capable of playing that bullshit game Cavuto played.

I missed the gun that was pointed to her head that forced her to go on TV and try to act like she had a clue.

Reality must suck for little girls.

mineistaken · 11-15-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

I think making it free devalues it for everybody.

Free:
Only the smartest of all population fill the spots.
Paid:
Only the smartest of part (with money) of the population fills the spots.

Seems like paid is devaluing it by having dumber people fill the sports (because part of the smartest people can not afford it).

tony286 · 11-15-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

what are some benefits? one benefit you are probably thinking is that more people will get higher education, but given that most universities get more applicants than they can accept, more people will not actually graduate... and like I said earlier, I would argue that it's possible that fewer people could actually graduate because of the "tire kickers", they take a few classes cause it's a cool thing to do with no intention of actually going all in and graduating...

also, given that supply of jobs requiring higher education is limited, it's debatable if more people graduating is even a benefit in the first place...

I got a benefit to you and without some of them, you wouldnt be making your living online.
The city college of NY was a public college like public school it was free until the late 60's I think. Here are the people who went when it was free.
Science and technology
[edit]
Solomon Asch – psychologist, known for the Asch conformity experiments
Julius Blank – engineer, member of the "traitorous eight" who founded Silicon Valley
Marvin Chester 1952 – physicist, quantum physics emeritus professor at UCLA
Adin Falkoff – engineer, computer scientist, co-inventor of the APL language interactive system
George Washington Goethals 1887 – civil engineer, best known for his supervision of construction and the opening of the Panama Canal
Dan Goldin 1962 – 9th and longest-tenured administrator of NASA
Richard Gitlin 1964 - National Academy of Engineering and co-inventor of DSL
Robert E. Kahn 1960 – Internet pioneer, co-inventor of the TCP/IP protocol, co-recipient of the Turing Award in 2004
Gary A. Klein 1964 – research psychologist, known for pioneering the field of naturalistic decision making
Leonard Kleinrock 1957 – Internet pioneer
Solomon Kullback – mathematician; NSA cryptology pioneer
Lewis Mumford – historian of technology
Charles Lane Poor – noted astronomer
Howard Rosenblum 1950 BSEE – NSA engineer; developer of the STU (Secure Telephone Unit)
Mario Runco, Jr. 1974 – astronaut
Jonas Salk 1934 – inventor of the Salk polio vaccine
Philip H. Sechzer 1934 – anesthesiologist, pioneer in pain management; inventor of patient-controlled analgesia
Abraham Sinkov – mathematician; NSA (National Security Agency) cryptology pioneer
David B. Steinman 1906 – engineer; bridge designer
Leonard Susskind 1962 – physicist, string theory
Victor Twersky - physicist and IEEE Fellow renowned for his contributions to the multiple scattering theory; professor of applied mathematics in the Department of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science at University of Illinois at Chicago (1966-1990)
Business[edit]
Andrew Grove 1960 – 4th employee of Intel, and eventually its president, CEO, and chairman; TIME magazine's Man of the Year in 1997; donated $26,000,000 to CCNY's Grove School of Engineering in 2006

Rob · 11-15-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

and Rob's view is he had to pay so everyone else should also, let's not beat around the bush about that.

Wrong. My view is that people aren't entitled to shit, and it disgusts me seeing all these freeloaders running at the mouth saying how everything should be free to them. There are ways to get your college paid for. It's called the G.I. Bill. Enlist in the service, do your four years, serve your country and EARN the right to a free education. I'll happily pay for their tuition! Then you have some mediocre pot head that barely manages to graduate H.S., plays video games all day, doesn't do shit for society, and then expects a free ride to a college...on MY DIME? Get fucked!

Yes, I had to put myself through school, and I'm a better person for it. And one thing I learned my freshman year from my Macro Economics professor; there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Someone, somewhere is picking up the bill.

woj · 11-15-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Free:
Only the smartest of all population fill the spots.
Paid:
Only the smartest of part (with money) of the population fills the spots.

Seems like paid is devaluing it by having dumber people fill the sports (because part of the smartest people can not afford it).

pretty decent argument, but you are assuming that higher education is not accessible to those without money, which is not the case... I know plenty of people who came from poor backgrounds, myself included, and managed to pay for school, and it wasn't even that hard when I look back on it....

dyna mo · 11-15-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I missed the gun that was pointed to her head that forced her to go on TV and try to act like she had a clue.

Reality must suck for little girls.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with what she did. She co-organized a march and was subsequently interviewed. She's not a media expert seasoned to dealing with fox news gotcha journalism. I find that refreshing and kudos to her for participating.

woj · 11-15-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

I got a benefit to you and without some of them, you wouldnt be making your living online.
The city college of NY was a public college like public school it was free until the late 60's I think. Here are the people who went when it was free.
Science and technology
[edit]
Solomon Asch – psychologist, known for the Asch conformity experiments
Julius Blank – engineer, member of the "traitorous eight" who founded Silicon Valley
Marvin Chester 1952 – physicist, quantum physics emeritus professor at UCLA
Adin Falkoff – engineer, computer scientist, co-inventor of the APL language interactive system
George Washington Goethals 1887 – civil engineer, best known for his supervision of construction and the opening of the Panama Canal
Dan Goldin 1962 – 9th and longest-tenured administrator of NASA
Richard Gitlin 1964 - National Academy of Engineering and co-inventor of DSL
Robert E. Kahn 1960 – Internet pioneer, co-inventor of the TCP/IP protocol, co-recipient of the Turing Award in 2004
Gary A. Klein 1964 – research psychologist, known for pioneering the field of naturalistic decision making
Leonard Kleinrock 1957 – Internet pioneer
Solomon Kullback – mathematician; NSA cryptology pioneer
Lewis Mumford – historian of technology
Charles Lane Poor – noted astronomer
Howard Rosenblum 1950 BSEE – NSA engineer; developer of the STU (Secure Telephone Unit)
Mario Runco, Jr. 1974 – astronaut
Jonas Salk 1934 – inventor of the Salk polio vaccine
Philip H. Sechzer 1934 – anesthesiologist, pioneer in pain management; inventor of patient-controlled analgesia
Abraham Sinkov – mathematician; NSA (National Security Agency) cryptology pioneer
David B. Steinman 1906 – engineer; bridge designer
Leonard Susskind 1962 – physicist, string theory
Victor Twersky - physicist and IEEE Fellow renowned for his contributions to the multiple scattering theory; professor of applied mathematics in the Department of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science at University of Illinois at Chicago (1966-1990)
Business[edit]
Andrew Grove 1960 – 4th employee of Intel, and eventually its president, CEO, and chairman; TIME magazine's Man of the Year in 1997; donated $26,000,000 to CCNY's Grove School of Engineering in 2006

City college of NY opened in 1847, so it was free for over 100 years... and in all that time only 2 dozen graduates reached some level of success in their fields? doesn't sound particularly impressive...

besides, if this college wouldn't have been free, people would still go there, and accomplishments would still have been made...

also, "mineistaken" suggested that a free school should result in "smartest" applicants, and yet the list of accomplishments is quite modest, certainly not any more impressive than paid schools during that time... what gives?

dyna mo · 11-15-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Wrong.

nope. right. to wit:

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Originally Posted by Rob

And I didn't have to worry about a free education, I paid my own way with hard work, a lot of sacrifice, and student loans out the ass. I graduated with a Bachelor's and was working on my MBA. 100% paid for by ME. I didn't ask for any fucking handouts or freebies. So I already "cut it", pal.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I've said it myself, "if I didn't already pay for this class, I would drop it!"

you clearly are arguing based on emotion, not fact. you're butt hurt about having to pay for college and oh noes work soooo hard for it, that you think everyone has to make the big sacrifice you made.

moreover, your argument is predicated on pure randomness because, guess what mr college drop-out, k-12 is fucking free, the cutoff at 12th grade is purely arbitrary combined with the fucking fact the first 13 years of school are free.

yet you think adding 4 years to that is some sort of horrible entitlement.

no wonder you confuse forward thinking with backwards thinking.

11-15-2015, 11:49 AM	#52
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,667	i posted a link to an article outlining several of the many benefits to free public higher education in an earlier post. saddling young adults with mountains of college debt upon graduation isn't a motivator, in fact, it's the opposite, it's a drain- on them and on society.