When the bottom 90% has seen only a 2% raise in income since 1990, then no I think that is not great now.

That's the thing about all of his talking points...most of them are based on outright untruths and misinformation. But he's appealing to low information people.

Yes. It is really better to have a T bar at the base of an anal dildo because a healthy vagina has the muscle power to push anything back out, but the anal cavity does not.

You're welcome :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Obey and consume

Have a successful pro business person in power or a career politician who has 0 idea about the real world and lives off the publics tit.

Gee tough choice!

The reality is the Federal deficit is on track to be fully eliminated by the end of Obama's term....

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/fil...?itok=9DHLLD0Q

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/50724


Of course the right wingers lie about the truth

DESTROYING AMERICA: Obama Has Created Larger Deficit Than EVERY Other President Combined

Why does The Donald speak of "the Trump" in the third person? He is a fucking legend in his own mind -- that's why.

.. just in time to start the tax cutting valse and new deficit pile-up :2 cents:

I watched some of the debate.

This is what I don't understand. "Look at what Obama has done to our country". HUH? What has he done?

Billionaire, best selling author, famous TV personality, owner of some of the most extravagant buildings on the planet, well known for successfully pushing the Trump brand. Gee I wonder why?

I guess if thats your criteria you would vote for Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton if they ever ran.

When you don't have anything to offer you are reduced to slamming the competition -- that is why.

Trump didn't invent negative campaigning.


in fact, "mudslinging is as American as Mississippi mud".

- age old adage

It's quite amusing watching people attempt to argue that one of the most successful businessmen on the planet must be just stupid and crazy. Only an idiot that's never created a business of any real scale with any real number of employees, could possibly reach that conclusion.

And this is the problem. You are comparing the last twenty-five years and saying "Obama is the problem" which is completely false.

We had the wind sucked out of us in 2008, leading the entire world into a huge recession. You are taking a twenty-five year span and complaining about meager income raises when the truth was people lost their jobs and homes, and entire families were financially wiped out. This didn't happen under Obama's watch. In fact, it happened under President Bush, although I don't fully believe you can "blame this on Bush".

Even the Republican party has dropped the entire discussion about our economy.

If i was looking to vote for people who are groomed and controlled by outsiders I would vote for a typical politician. Not Trump. See how that works?

Where did he say anything about Obama being the problem? He suggested that we should be better than we are.

Everyone is running around pointing fingers. What does it matter? Every eight years it's a different party in office. Both parties are fully responsible for the current state of American affairs.

If you think this country is at the best of its ability right now, I feel sorry for you. We are capable of so much more, and yet here we are, blaming this person, blaming that person, chasing ghosts, fighting over who said what and who didn't do what, instead of manning up and admitting that we are not what we should be and we can do better.

We can do better.

WTF is your point? This thread is about Trump.

No-one is saying he is stupid or crazy. He's a businessmen BSing his way through with promises he will never be able or can fulfill. He's not even trying to be slick about it! Trump is going to "get alone with everyone" and "put them in place" at the same time. I want to see him bulling his way through with Vlad Putin. Come on :1orglaugh Guy shit his pants with one twit from El Chapo and he's going to put Putin "into place"? Right. Let him build more Trum golf courses. Thats what he's good at.
And whats funny trailer park trash like dynamo think that Trump success s businessman somehow transpires onto them. :1orglaugh

Did you watch it all or stayed busy here all night long bitch? :1orglaugh

Do you ever leave this board? 6 fucking am and you are back posting. Get a sig like brasshat and make some beer money

fill us all in op, what's your approved posting hours and post quantity?

i'll wait for you to watch another hour of television so you can come up with the answer.

i've got a nice cozy spot in that empty cavity sitting on top of your neck. it's roomy in here.

:thumbsup

Trump power :pimp

I love how he came from poor, humble beginnings with no capital to start with.

Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush are the problem. Politicians are the problem. And low information public like you spouting the 5.1 rate without looking deep into the actual numbers and their meaning are the problem.

Politicians sell gloom and doom so they can offer false hope. I don't think its even close to as bad as they try to claim in their charades. But nor do I believe everything is sunshine and lolipops like you, because your neighbor leased a new car, and put up a new roof on their house on their line of credit.

The country is on the downward track and has been so for a very very long time.

This thread is about Trump. Trump is saying "Let's make America strong again" and "let's make our military strong" and it's the same old Republican shit.

I am not a Democrat. But the truth is the truth. Our country went straight into the shitter in 2008, and slowly it's been getting better. Yet all of the candidates are saying "We need change". Why do we need change? Things are MUCH better than they were in 2008. That's not to say Obama is our hero, and my pet dog might have done just as well, but this "we need change bullshit" is silly. Things are better and getting better; We need to stay the course.

I am not saying we need to vote for Hillary, but I am surely not going to be voting for Trump.

I completely agree with you. Even Hillary is on the "We need change" bandwagon. We see this from all sides every four years - "We need change" and "I can do better". Then they cherry pick some stats to make the other side look bad.

The simpletons want new jobs building the "Trump Wall" and being border guards while the rest of us pay their salaries and benefits.

That and they get a new shiny pistol to use ... :upsidedow

The thing people don't understand about Trump is that he knows he's speaking to the lowest common denominator during these debates and all his speeches. He is used to speaking down to peons in the boardroom, a place where he is always top dawg, where he tells others how it's going to be, all the while never having to explain himself to them.

When he says "THIS is what I'm going to do if elected", someone asks "How? How are you going to do that? Please be specific." Trump isn't used to having to explain himself, not to you, not to anyone. He's always had hirelings who are paid to nail down those specifics, so as head of the corporate mega-conglomerate his massive black hole-like ego dictates that doesn't owe you any specifics.... but there's a conflict: as a guy asking you to vote for him or as the guy who is going to be president he very much does, or will at some point, have to start spewing forth with his actual gameplans for bringing about that "making everything better, stronger" line he's feeding us. And that goes against his nature.

His campaign slogan really should be a smug "I got this", because that's the message he's conveying so far. Say what you will about the guy, he's egotistical, he's a sideshow, he's this, he's that, but the one thing you have to admit about him is the morning after, the debate, the interview, or whenever he's said anything publically, he's got everyone talking about one thing... him.

Trump is no politician, at least not in the traditional sense, but that's great politics right there.


Hills was on Fallon last night. Anyone talking about her?

When have things become better when any Republican administration has taken over?

Yes, because if you give a head start and some money to stupid person he will surely succeed like that. He may be stupid :thumbsup

It is funny how tools (usually having no idea how business is run) try to discredit all the successful people who had a head start, as if with that it is super easy and does not require smarts to reach top of the top :1orglaugh

The man on the street -- No.

Hillary Clinton is not a creditable voice. She is perceived as having no real plan. The sooner she supports another Democrat candidate the better for the Democrat party. That is unless she offers a believable, sincere strategy and structured party platform -- that might be early in the game now but it is all about credibility with me anyway ... She has none to 30% now about the same as The Donald has.

Trump would be richer if he would have done nothing.


Donald Trump would be richer if he?d have invested in index funds


As per a report by Associated Press, Donald Trump?s net worth has grown about 300% to an approximate $4 billion since 1987. But the Republican presidential front-runner would have churned in more money if he had just invested in index funds. If Trump would have done so in 1988, his net worth would have been nearly $13 billion, says AP.

What your graph showed was deficit budget SPENDING. Not the actual deficit. That is now at a record 18 TRILLION dollars. To get rid of that would mean the govt. would have to STOP deficit spending and start spending less than they take in.

There is no end in sight at this point. And when the Fed finally raises the interest rates in the future....the interest on that debt is going to really, really hurt this country.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But more federal spending isn't the answer. And taxing everyone more isn't either.
The only real answer is a revived economy which creates more federal revenue and couple that with cutting the defense budget BIG time and finally having someone in office who would go after the massive amounts of wasteful spending in the entitlement spending and clean that up.

Not sure that will ever happen either.

But make no mistake...the deficit will NOT be gone when Obama leaves office. What your graph showed is that he "only" spent 400 BILLION more than was taken in.
No other entity on Earth can do that, except the federal govt.

And then people would have said he was a lazy slacker. The guy enjoys what he does. And he's been successful at it.
And by the way...he is worth 10 billion. Not what the AP reported as 4 billion. But that's just a dumb argument to have anyway.

What you're talking about is the debt and they are two different things. The deficit is the yearly amount the govt is putting out compared to what it takes in. But yes, you are correct when talking about the debt.

Thank you. I have no idea why people don't readily see it. Oh wait, I do. Watch any newscast on budget deficit/surplus spending and they all invariably fail to point this out. Thus people out there hear "balanced budget" and they assume quite wrongly that the federal deficiit has been eradicated.

Same thing is going on in the Canadian Fed. election right now in fact. Every nightly news talks about who is promising a 'balanced budget' while utterly failing to point out to voters that, for example, the Harper gov't doubled our existing deficite over the course of their tenure.

If either the US or Canadian gov'ts were to run at a surplus budget indefinitely from here on out it would take either of them roughly 300 years or more to pay off their current respective debts.

I honesstly have no idea how anyone, reporter or politician especially, can say the words "balanced budget" with a straight face in light of the actual debt situation that exists.:2 cents:

what are you talking about? all the lottery winners turn the few millions they won into billions and become known as successful businessmen around the world... cause obviously it's so easy any idiot with a head start could do it...

oh wait, that's not what happens, there probably isn't a single lottery winner EVER who became a billionaire... in fact, vast majority of them piss all the $$ they won away within a few years....