I guess if thats your criteria you would vote for Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton if they ever ran.

When you don't have anything to offer you are reduced to slamming the competition -- that is why.

Trump didn't invent negative campaigning.


in fact, "mudslinging is as American as Mississippi mud".

- age old adage

It's quite amusing watching people attempt to argue that one of the most successful businessmen on the planet must be just stupid and crazy. Only an idiot that's never created a business of any real scale with any real number of employees, could possibly reach that conclusion.

And this is the problem. You are comparing the last twenty-five years and saying "Obama is the problem" which is completely false.

We had the wind sucked out of us in 2008, leading the entire world into a huge recession. You are taking a twenty-five year span and complaining about meager income raises when the truth was people lost their jobs and homes, and entire families were financially wiped out. This didn't happen under Obama's watch. In fact, it happened under President Bush, although I don't fully believe you can "blame this on Bush".

Even the Republican party has dropped the entire discussion about our economy.

If i was looking to vote for people who are groomed and controlled by outsiders I would vote for a typical politician. Not Trump. See how that works?

Where did he say anything about Obama being the problem? He suggested that we should be better than we are.

Everyone is running around pointing fingers. What does it matter? Every eight years it's a different party in office. Both parties are fully responsible for the current state of American affairs.

If you think this country is at the best of its ability right now, I feel sorry for you. We are capable of so much more, and yet here we are, blaming this person, blaming that person, chasing ghosts, fighting over who said what and who didn't do what, instead of manning up and admitting that we are not what we should be and we can do better.

We can do better.

WTF is your point? This thread is about Trump.

No-one is saying he is stupid or crazy. He's a businessmen BSing his way through with promises he will never be able or can fulfill. He's not even trying to be slick about it! Trump is going to "get alone with everyone" and "put them in place" at the same time. I want to see him bulling his way through with Vlad Putin. Come on :1orglaugh Guy shit his pants with one twit from El Chapo and he's going to put Putin "into place"? Right. Let him build more Trum golf courses. Thats what he's good at.
And whats funny trailer park trash like dynamo think that Trump success s businessman somehow transpires onto them. :1orglaugh

Did you watch it all or stayed busy here all night long bitch? :1orglaugh

Do you ever leave this board? 6 fucking am and you are back posting. Get a sig like brasshat and make some beer money

fill us all in op, what's your approved posting hours and post quantity?

i'll wait for you to watch another hour of television so you can come up with the answer.

i've got a nice cozy spot in that empty cavity sitting on top of your neck. it's roomy in here.

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Trump power :pimp

I love how he came from poor, humble beginnings with no capital to start with.

Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush are the problem. Politicians are the problem. And low information public like you spouting the 5.1 rate without looking deep into the actual numbers and their meaning are the problem.

Politicians sell gloom and doom so they can offer false hope. I don't think its even close to as bad as they try to claim in their charades. But nor do I believe everything is sunshine and lolipops like you, because your neighbor leased a new car, and put up a new roof on their house on their line of credit.

The country is on the downward track and has been so for a very very long time.

This thread is about Trump. Trump is saying "Let's make America strong again" and "let's make our military strong" and it's the same old Republican shit.

I am not a Democrat. But the truth is the truth. Our country went straight into the shitter in 2008, and slowly it's been getting better. Yet all of the candidates are saying "We need change". Why do we need change? Things are MUCH better than they were in 2008. That's not to say Obama is our hero, and my pet dog might have done just as well, but this "we need change bullshit" is silly. Things are better and getting better; We need to stay the course.

I am not saying we need to vote for Hillary, but I am surely not going to be voting for Trump.

I completely agree with you. Even Hillary is on the "We need change" bandwagon. We see this from all sides every four years - "We need change" and "I can do better". Then they cherry pick some stats to make the other side look bad.

The simpletons want new jobs building the "Trump Wall" and being border guards while the rest of us pay their salaries and benefits.

That and they get a new shiny pistol to use ... :upsidedow

The thing people don't understand about Trump is that he knows he's speaking to the lowest common denominator during these debates and all his speeches. He is used to speaking down to peons in the boardroom, a place where he is always top dawg, where he tells others how it's going to be, all the while never having to explain himself to them.

When he says "THIS is what I'm going to do if elected", someone asks "How? How are you going to do that? Please be specific." Trump isn't used to having to explain himself, not to you, not to anyone. He's always had hirelings who are paid to nail down those specifics, so as head of the corporate mega-conglomerate his massive black hole-like ego dictates that doesn't owe you any specifics.... but there's a conflict: as a guy asking you to vote for him or as the guy who is going to be president he very much does, or will at some point, have to start spewing forth with his actual gameplans for bringing about that "making everything better, stronger" line he's feeding us. And that goes against his nature.

His campaign slogan really should be a smug "I got this", because that's the message he's conveying so far. Say what you will about the guy, he's egotistical, he's a sideshow, he's this, he's that, but the one thing you have to admit about him is the morning after, the debate, the interview, or whenever he's said anything publically, he's got everyone talking about one thing... him.

Trump is no politician, at least not in the traditional sense, but that's great politics right there.


Hills was on Fallon last night. Anyone talking about her?

When have things become better when any Republican administration has taken over?

Yes, because if you give a head start and some money to stupid person he will surely succeed like that. He may be stupid :thumbsup

It is funny how tools (usually having no idea how business is run) try to discredit all the successful people who had a head start, as if with that it is super easy and does not require smarts to reach top of the top :1orglaugh

The man on the street -- No.

Hillary Clinton is not a creditable voice. She is perceived as having no real plan. The sooner she supports another Democrat candidate the better for the Democrat party. That is unless she offers a believable, sincere strategy and structured party platform -- that might be early in the game now but it is all about credibility with me anyway ... She has none to 30% now about the same as The Donald has.

Trump would be richer if he would have done nothing.


Donald Trump would be richer if he?d have invested in index funds


As per a report by Associated Press, Donald Trump?s net worth has grown about 300% to an approximate $4 billion since 1987. But the Republican presidential front-runner would have churned in more money if he had just invested in index funds. If Trump would have done so in 1988, his net worth would have been nearly $13 billion, says AP.

What your graph showed was deficit budget SPENDING. Not the actual deficit. That is now at a record 18 TRILLION dollars. To get rid of that would mean the govt. would have to STOP deficit spending and start spending less than they take in.

There is no end in sight at this point. And when the Fed finally raises the interest rates in the future....the interest on that debt is going to really, really hurt this country.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But more federal spending isn't the answer. And taxing everyone more isn't either.
The only real answer is a revived economy which creates more federal revenue and couple that with cutting the defense budget BIG time and finally having someone in office who would go after the massive amounts of wasteful spending in the entitlement spending and clean that up.

Not sure that will ever happen either.

But make no mistake...the deficit will NOT be gone when Obama leaves office. What your graph showed is that he "only" spent 400 BILLION more than was taken in.
No other entity on Earth can do that, except the federal govt.

And then people would have said he was a lazy slacker. The guy enjoys what he does. And he's been successful at it.
And by the way...he is worth 10 billion. Not what the AP reported as 4 billion. But that's just a dumb argument to have anyway.

What you're talking about is the debt and they are two different things. The deficit is the yearly amount the govt is putting out compared to what it takes in. But yes, you are correct when talking about the debt.

Thank you. I have no idea why people don't readily see it. Oh wait, I do. Watch any newscast on budget deficit/surplus spending and they all invariably fail to point this out. Thus people out there hear "balanced budget" and they assume quite wrongly that the federal deficiit has been eradicated.

Same thing is going on in the Canadian Fed. election right now in fact. Every nightly news talks about who is promising a 'balanced budget' while utterly failing to point out to voters that, for example, the Harper gov't doubled our existing deficite over the course of their tenure.

If either the US or Canadian gov'ts were to run at a surplus budget indefinitely from here on out it would take either of them roughly 300 years or more to pay off their current respective debts.

I honesstly have no idea how anyone, reporter or politician especially, can say the words "balanced budget" with a straight face in light of the actual debt situation that exists.:2 cents:

what are you talking about? all the lottery winners turn the few millions they won into billions and become known as successful businessmen around the world... cause obviously it's so easy any idiot with a head start could do it...

oh wait, that's not what happens, there probably isn't a single lottery winner EVER who became a billionaire... in fact, vast majority of them piss all the $$ they won away within a few years....

And I would be worth hundreds of millions if I had put everything I had into apple stock 20 years ago.

dan bilzerian gets $60 million from his old man and drops it on hookers and blow and becomes king of instagram.

Trump gets $60 million from his old man and parlays it into $10 billion and a shot at becoming POTUS.

Having a balanced budget simply means the govt is taking in more money than it is putting out. Has nothing to do with the debt. The US govt has been in debt since the 1940's starting with WW2, even Clinton added to the debt but is known for balancing the budget because he eliminated the deficit by balancing the budget. Again, the deficit and debt are two different things, and they are calculated differently. Don't ask me how...lol.

The deficits have largely come down as a result of the improved economy for which Obama cannot assume full credit.

The deficit has come down in recent years because of the strengthening economy, which drives tax revenues up, and the draw-down of various economic stimulus programs that were implemented to weather the financial crisis. Additionally, the expiration of 2 percent payroll tax cuts and increases in tax rates for high-income earners played a role, albeit a smaller one.

The country’s spending is not expected to continue its downward route, according to federal forecasters, for factors that include increased interest payments on the debt and the lack of substantial policy changes for the country’s biggest programs, like Social Security and Medicare.


Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office | PolitiFact

And thats the best comeback you got chump ? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you should be thanking me, i'm taking it easy on ya based on yer *look at me i figured out trump supporters are stupid on account of the tv told me so* thread.

this is the part where the op then comes back with an insult about me having a job or having too much time on gfy. as if those make sense together, but he does like to flipflop between those 2.

Could you just write a check to pay down or pay off your share of the national debt?

Most Government Debt per Person: Countries - Bloomberg Best (and Worst)

So, discussing the national debt means nothing if you can't wire a check to the US Treasury to pay your share of it. So, what is the fucking point of the disscussion again? :1orglaugh

Another stupid argument from the poor. I could give you $10,000,000.00 right now and you'd be broke in 5 years just like nearly every lottery winner ever. Why? You don't understand money, management, accounting, finance or leadership or any of the other skills required to be productive with it. You don't understand that everything in life is a skill... skills are developed and honed. They don't just appear. You don't know how to build and run a business. You don't know how to invest successfully. You don't even have the slightest idea of what it takes to build wealth, build brands, build companies and employ 100's or 1000's or 10's of 1000's of people.

Trumps advantage was having a parent as a role model to teach him the value of money and how to use money to make money.... All while the 99% were out there scrambling to rack up mountains of debt for shit they don't need.

Robert Kiyosaki said it well (paraphrasing) "what's an inner city, single mother of three going to teach her child about wealth and money management"?".

The irony is that I just got off the phone with someone who i have been negotiating lease terms with on a commercial space I want and they've finally agreed to nearly everything I want. I'll start this business My current income streams all are passive, generate well into 5 figures a month and leave me with nothing to do all day long but workout and run. basically I'm
Starting a new business out of boredom. It's something I like to do and it's something. I understand. It's something I know how to manage, market and promote and I have many years experience of managing 100's of employees. I'll be there at 5am until 9pm because I like doing it. You'll still be here talking about how others don't deserve their wealth or success literally as I'm building this business up from zero and you be doing the same as I lease a second and third space and expand.

They also turned 100M USD into 10B USD?

They also inspired tons of entrepreneurs?

They also helped tons of charitable causes?

They also have buildings with their names on them dotting the globe?

Who knew?

95% of people here couldn't turn 1$ into 2$ if their lives depended on it

If you watch that New Hampshire town hall meeting that's on right now, you'll get a good glimpse of the boneheads who support Trump. The first "question" from the audience about the Muslim president was all you need to hear.

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No fucktard, I was at my son's JV football game. How is your day going trailer park shitstain :1orglaugh

Oh man. You have a son?

I'll bet he's getting raised right.

23K donation to Catholic Dioceses. He better be. Otherwise he'd like you or any other trailer park resident. :1orglaugh

He turned $40 million into $10 billion. How many people with $40 million would be motivated to crush it like he has? If you don't like to hear what a candidate that isn't owned by special interests sounds like, you should stop listening to him now.

Keep in mind the track record of success amassed by our current President before he took office. :thumbsup

We have full employment, stock market at all time highs, low interest rates, etc. America is doing great. We have sequester and in 20 years we have the Social Security circuit breaker.

I am not sure what people expect Trump/Bush/Clinton to change if they are elected.

We are seeing inflation and high growth rates disappear and this might be an issue of the % of working class to overall population. Add in that the world is more competitive across borders and some of this stuff might have fundamentally changed.

But that is not all bad. The world has gotten richer, smarter and better managed as a whole. We really are doing very well as a species or at least if compared historically.

I don't personally know any Billionaires but my grandfather was a Millionaire and I have regularly dealt with Millionaires all my life in working relationships.

I have dealt with very wealthy people that are very considerate and nice people with good social values and understanding of the world they live in -- many of those inherited their money.

I have dealt with very wealthy people that are arrogant condescending shitstains also.

This has taught me to judge a man by his deeds and not by his bank balance.

Donald Trump is one of the arrogant assholes --- My vote is for sale Donald: $500K wired into my bank account, Donald Chump ...