How many Syrian refugees CAN the US take? How much SHOULD it take?

[$5 submissions]

The refugee problem is real but there have been points raised regarding REFUGEES versus MIGRANTS....

Setting aside that (very important) point, how many refugees *do you think* CAN the US take and how many SHOULD it take?

Germany's vice-chancellor says Deutschland can take 500K refugees a year for many years.

How about the US? The US has a bigger economy and land mass.

And just before anyone forgets what a refugee humanitarian crisis looks like, here's the photo that rocked the world. It specially struck close to home because I have a son close to Aylan Kurdi's age...

[Sly]

They say a photo is worth 1000 words.

They are wrong.

A single photo can represent dozens of different stories, based on who is writing the story.

This photo is a very good example of that in action.

Politics aside, sad to see about the little boy. Always creates a heavy chest.

[dyna mo]

None.
Zero.
Nada.
Zilch.

We're the infidels, they hate US.

[L-Pink]

Whatever justification applies to 1, 10, 100, 1000, 100,000, 1,000,000 applies to every single of them. Since you can't take every single one of them without drastically changing life for your current legal citizens the answer is none, zero.

Instead you take on the problem at it it's core. In it's homeland.

Not being insensitive, just realistic.

edit, And equally importantly ... They won't assimilate into our society, they will try to dominate. It's their religion, their belief.

.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Sly

Politics aside, sad to see about the little boy. Always creates a heavy chest.

What made me, a grown ass man, cry were the shoes on that kid, Aylan Kurdi. They are similar to the shoes I strap on to my little boy. They have these little velcro straps.

[kadudu]

Germany accepting this enormous number of refugees is just going to speed the way of the EU crashing and burning. Why don't the Turks or Saudis accept these refugees?

Refugees are extremely expensive to modern western welfare states.

Norway:
The central bureau of statistics (roughly equivalent to the congressional budget office) calculated that the cost of each non western immigrant was 4.1 million NOK during their lifetime; equal to 665,000 USD. There are variations between the groups, with Somalis costing twice that.

Reference: SSB Reports 15/2012, Makroøkonomi og offentlige fi nanser i ulike scenarioer for innvandring (Macro econmics and public finances in different immigration scenarios) http://www.ssb.no/a/publikasjoner/pd...app_201215.pdf

Denmark
It's central bank's third quarterly report of 2008, it noted that all immigration except for high skilled western ones were a massive loss. In 2005 this loss per immigrant was estimated to be negative 2,6 million DK, equal to 461,000 USD. Mind you, the inflation means the real value today is higher by 20% if the online inflation calculator is to be believed.

Source: Report Velfærdskommmissionen March 2005 (The Welfare Commision) page 26.

Sweden
Well, statistics like this would get you exiled pretty quickly. But we do know that, according to the central bureau of statistics in Sweden, 57% of "foreign born" immigrants age 21-61 work, whereas 87% is the number for natives. For Africans the number is 39/48 for women/men, for Asians (mid easterners realistically) it's 46/54.

Source: Statistiska Centralbyrån Integration: Rapport 6

So there's no reason to think the expense is any lesser in Sweden than in other countries.

The main problem is low labour participation rates, with a secondary problem of little higher education in the second generation. Also, mind you, that in Norway the unemployment rate looks like this and an economy per capita of twice that of Germany and France. Free school, university, highly subsidized childcare. In other words, ideal conditions. If it doesn't work here, how do you think immigration works in countries with 6+% unemployment?

The fact is, if you actually care about helping people, you should advocate spending money in their home countries because god knows how many africans you could save for $500,000. Certainly more than the one you can save through immigration - and it ends up being more than 500k a piece too, once they start bringing their family members in.

UK
Some attempts at making calculations have been made and they show that immigration cost 120 billion£. Of course, it will be much worse once these grow old and their labour participation rate plummets (further). This is another common trick to make immigration look profitable: You count the incomes without adjusting for age. Immigrants tend to be younger, and thus get less pensions. Of course, this doesn't last... Immigrants will eventually age.

All of the above calculations are optimistic estimates, as they assume the children of immigrants are integrated 100% and won't incur additional costs. They also don't take into account that in many cultures second generation immigrants will bring spouses from their old country, thus incurring additional costs.

It's a pity that our collective establishments have tried as hard as they can to deny these facts for decades, but eventually the bubble will burst. It can happen sooner or later, but the later it bursts the worse it's gonna be.

[$5 submissions]

Kinda makes you wonder why the rich UAE Arab countries aren't stepping up in a major way...

They have more in common with the Syrians culturally speaking... and they have money.

Plus, they already use imported construction/low-skilled labor.... Why not employ refugees?

[j3rkules]

They are not going to integrate in society and even worse they will want more and more.

[SilentKnight]

I can't remember the last time a photo made my eyes well up.

As a father, images like that are just seering and devastating.

As a photographer - you can't ask for a more powerful, evocative photo. I'd have had an incredibly difficult time taking that shot (actually a series of shots - I saw several others from a variety of angles).

[wehateporn]

Every migrant from elsewhere will be saying they're from Syria

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

As a photographer - you can't ask for a more powerful, evocative photo. I'd have had an incredibly difficult time taking that shot (actually a series of shots - I saw several others from a variety of angles).

They did well to move the body into a place where they could take a better photo

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Sly

A single photo can represent dozens of different stories, based on who is writing the story.

This photo is a very good example of that in action.

True... it also depends who is taking the picture... in terms of... "We need to reposition him; turn him around face down with his head in the water... more drama"...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

They did well to move the body into a place where they could take a better photo

owh... you were thinking the same as me... at the same time...

[xKingx]

How many can we take? I say none, let them all drown.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

owh... lol... you were thinking the same as me... at the same time...

We can team up when the trolls appear to say how evil we are

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by xKingx

How many can we take? I say none, let them all drown.

[Google Expert]

all of them

[Hessie]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Originally Posted by xKingx View Post
How many can we take? I say none, let them all drown.

Right on!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

True... it also depends who is taking the picture... in terms of... "We need to reposition him; turn him around face down with his head in the water... more drama"...

Is this true? I did not read that much into it.

Wars have been started on simple lies like this.

[dyna mo]

Uh, no on the let them drown part. Humanity doesn't have to clash with reality.

[L-Pink]

Those guys repositioning a dead child for effect need their asses kicked.

It also reinforces the press is not to be trusted, ever. How a profession lost it's credibility so fast is amazing.

[dyna mo]

I have a feeling euros will be much appreciative of USA military there when the religious wars start.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by jerkules

They are not going to integrate in society and even worse they will want more and more.

agreed

[Google Expert]

get a load of this



Liberals

[Sly]

I came across this earlier today and really thought somebody would have posted it in this thread: Obama weighs options on Syrian refugee crisis

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

get a load of this



Liberals

This what they call natural selection.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Sly

Is this true? I did not read that much into it.

Wars have been started on simple lies like this.

At pic 1 the poor kid is laying between the rocks... pic2 on the open beach...

Position of pic2 is the pic we all saw in media...

As for the chronology of the pics... is doesn't make sense to take him from the open beach to between the rocks... Why take him of the open beach to between the rocks... which is still at the beach but absolutely not in the direction of the mortuary, if you know what i mean. I think pic 1 is pic 1 and pic2 is pic 2... They dragged with his body...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

get a load of this



Liberals

The woman in the bottom has assumed that position before, you can tell.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The woman in the bottom has assumed that position before, you can tell.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Checking netvideogirls.com now.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

At pic 1 the poor kid is laying between the rocks... pic2 on the open beach...

Position of pic2 is the pic we all saw in media...

As for the chronology of the pics... is doesn't make sense to take him from the open beach to between the rocks... Why take him of the open beach to between the rocks... which is still at the beach but absolutely not in the direction of the mortuary, if you know what i mean. I think pic 1 is pic 1 and pic2 is pic 2... They dragged with his body...

Thanks for clearing that up.

Who's on first?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Sly

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Checking netvideogirls.com now.

Probably have better luck searching dogfart, lol. Find her and her husband.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Germany's vice-chancellor says Deutschland can take 500K refugees a year for many years.

WTF?? Is that for real????

That would be self destruction after just a few years, let alone "many years"...

You must be kidding with this quote.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

None.
Zero.
Nada.
Zilch.

We're the infidels, they hate US.

Well said.

Zero.

US is lucky those illegals can not reach it that easily.

[Mediamix]

So many tasteless jokes...

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

Illogical joke - looks like European traitors and self destructors wants them. Just look at Germany they want 500K of them every year..... Fucking unbelievable.
500k leeches A YEAR! Just think about it!
Relatively (population size) in US that would be 2 million. 2 million western culture hating leeches a year! For 5 years that would be 10 million! Can you believe the grand scheme of what is happening? Fucking amazing...
Merkel would go down the history drains, more so than traitor Blair and similar.

[Sly]

Those memes are fucked.

The Internet has given a voice to those too chicken shit to speak out loud.

[Google Expert]

thank you mr Poseidon

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

get a load of this



Liberals

Please tell me they are dead.

[JuicyBunny]

They should all be relocated to Wyoming, in and around Cheney's ranch. He and his cabal are the root cause, make him support them.

[DonJon69]

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Whatever justification applies to 1, 10, 100, 1000, 100,000, 1,000,000 applies to every single of them. Since you can't take every single one of them without drastically changing life for your current legal citizens the answer is none, zero.

Instead you take on the problem at it it's core. In it's homeland.

Not being insensitive, just realistic.

edit, And equally importantly ... They won't assimilate into our society, they will try to dominate. It's their religion, their belief.

.

US is dominated by Israel. Look where that got us.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

They should all be relocated to Wyoming, in and around Cheney's ranch. He and his cabal are the root cause, make him support them.

And it's good land for goats
There is even oil out there just like home.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

US is dominated by Israel. Look where that got us.

Stormfront ... Have fun ...

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

get a load of this



Liberals

Let's hope they follow the Star Trek credo - that red shirts seldom return after a mission.

[Rob]

[Rob]

As for the tasteless jokes of the drowned toddler...I have no fucking words. It's a fucking child. So many keyboard Commandos. Put them in a real life situation and they'll fold like cheap bath towels. Fucking disgusting and NOT funny.

[aka123]

Europe could offer free boat ride to US and your questions will soon be answered.

[klinton]

exactly...now "we all know who is the biggest retard on this board", to quote someone.

Originally Posted by Rob

As for the tasteless jokes of the drowned toddler...I have no fucking words. It's a fucking child. So many keyboard Commandos. Put them in a real life situation and they'll fold like cheap bath towels. Fucking disgusting and NOT funny.

[Mediamix]

Originally Posted by Rob

As for the tasteless jokes of the drowned toddler...I have no fucking words. It's a fucking child. So many keyboard Commandos. Put them in a real life situation and they'll fold like cheap bath towels. Fucking disgusting and NOT funny.

It's sickening!

Originally Posted by klinton

exactly...now "we all know who is the biggest retard on this board", to quote someone.

It was just an example how cruel people can be, you fucktard.

[klinton]

cool, with such footnote the message is 100 % different and you are free to post it milion times more

Originally Posted by Mediamix

It was just an example how cruel people can be