i'm excited! :1orglaugh




oh, also, i think there's a difference between trump being an outrageous candidate and people being outraged over some of the things he's said.

outrageous = bold

outraged = angry

Quick show of hands, how many here don't understand the difference between Latino voters (US citizens) and the "Mexicans/illegal immigrants" trump referred to (non-US citizens all)?

In a way many of them are one in the same.

A Latino person that is here legally may want their family to be able to come here and be with them, but doing so legally is not very easy. So some of them do it illegally and others just wait and hope for immigration reform.

So if a party were to enact immigration reform that makes coming here easier it could be a windfall of voters for decades to come. If a candidate attacks illegals like Trump did they risk offending those that are legal because they are talking about their friends and family.

They should but they won't. It feels like Rome in the US, a couple of years before the collapse.

Yup, just as I thought. Big convoluted over-complicated answers where "one can vote, the other can not" would suffice.

Trump's comments only seems to have alienated illegals and a certain % of actual latino voters, obviously not all of whom are Mexican. Yet here in this thread and in untold other threads and forums across the universe people are posting such succinct reactions such as "Wow, how did that happen?" and "I did not see that coming" with regard to Trump's Latino numbers.

People are confused. I wanted a light indication of just how many here might be. Now I have it. :D

I did not need nor ask for huge splainations on Latino 101.

I don't think McCain has that much clout anymore. People are tired of hearing bullshit, they want to hear that someone is going to do things to improve life for them.

That's why Trump is doing so well and the liberals attacking him is just helping him, he doesn't care about them. And they are afraid of him!

I guess that's why there are Republicans who are claiming Trump is a democrat plant right? :1orglaugh

They don't? They don't bring their family members over?

I remember working with a guy named Eddie, little Mexican kid - Although I guess he was only a few years younger than me. He was here illegally and I have no idea how they did the paperwork. One day he fails to show up to work which was so unlike him. Turns out he got arrested and deported. A few weeks later he returned like nothing ever happened.

We get it, Robbie, you want Donald Trump to be your president. Ok.


Hillary will win.

The problem is that it isn't as simple as "one can vote, the other can not." The last two presidential elections the republicans have failed to engage Latino voters and they have lost them both. Why they lost is more complex than just not winning the Latino vote, but that is a big part of it. Latinos make up the fastest growing segment of the voters in this country. If you can convince them to vote for you will have a hard time winning.

What we know is that Trump is winning the polls of registered republicans likely to vote in the republican primaries. There are likely some Latino voters in that block, but there is no real way of knowing how much damage he has done to himself with other Latino voters until we get a general poll of all likely voters or until he wins the nomination.

You asked a complex question and want a simple answer that is simply not, with the information we have right now, possible to give.

I agree that McCain doesn't have that much clout these days, however, with conservatives it seems like if you even look sideways at a veteran they shit their pants much less suggest one that they have put on a pedestal is not a hero.

That is why I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the next few days when the polls come out that were taken after his comments about McCain.

And there's the ********** we all know! The troll! That's cool!

But maybe I should have started a thread entitled: "What Mark Prince thinks my Presidential pick is" instead of this one. :1orglaugh

By the way **********...you are just YOU. Not "We". :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Donald Trump has a spotless record.
Donald Trump an outstanding man of integrity.
The squirrel that lives on his head told me that ...

What a waste of energy.

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the trolls of their respective parties and may influence their respective party's platforms and little else -- they are both unelectable IMHO. But the German people elected Hitler and the Russian proletariat followed Lenin into the Bolshevik Revolution so you can't always bet on sanity to prevail.

Actually consertives are some of the most judgmental people there are, right up until the point it's their guy.

So if they choose Trump to be their guy, they will pretty much ignore all the bad he does and pretend everyone is fake outraged or "against them". ( they love to pretend to be the underdog, little guy vs big bad govt, ect..ect.)

Added to this McCain is not radical enough for the New Republucans (aka Tea Party). Other Republicans in his own state which is a hot bed of Tea Party support have voted in the past the censure him calling him too liberal".

Meaning Trump calling him a fake Hero or what ever it was will just gain cheers and bigger following from the extreme right. It will mostly be the older breed of Republicans whom will not like what Trump has said and they are quickly being out numbered by the radical right. (Ie the former neo cons and religious right)

Meanwhile if someone from the left had said the same thing, all Republicans would be enraged , ranting and raving, ect.. ect.. They are a very hypocritical group..


As for Trump.. These polls are like asking children if they like candy.. The polls are from registered Republican voters, not the country as a whole. The far right lives in a bubble, and will support their guy, but they alienate themselfs from the rest of the country and don't have the numbers to win a national election..

Population wise this country is very liberal. The only reason consertives still have a chance, is because of all the gerrymandering and even still it only really helps for congressional elections not presidential.

Edit..

Also, I travel here in the states a lot. What I see is unusually small town America is very consertive because they really have no other experance. You drive across A lot of these Westren states and you don't get any normal radio stations but there is always a right wing station talking about how bad Obama is. It never fails..

These people live in a bubble with very little outside influence. You also see a lot of white people having nicer houses because they have the better jobs, then you see the Hispanics and in some places Indians whom are very poor.

These consertives from the west just assume that all minorities are like this everywhere else as that's the only thing they know.

Crockett's viewpoint is that all across America people in small towns are ignorant because they have conservative talk radio and don't know any better.

I live in Las Vegas. Over 2 million people. Sin City.
And the biggest stations are: conservative talk radio, Limbaugh & Hannity are just better entertainers than anyone else on radio and get the big ratings nationwide. Not just in small towns.

And before I moved here, I lived in a very small town in South Carolina.
The kind of place that crockett explains is basically cut off from the rest of the world and just doesn't know any better.

Weird thing is...EVERYBODY there had the internet and cable and satellite t.v.

Jesus crockett...you're describing the country like it's still the 1800's and people are isolated from one another and unaware of anything outside their little towns.

That's a very old fashioned stereotypical view of the country.
And you yourself prove it to be wrong.

There you are traveling to all these places and yet you have access to all the information you could ever want at your fingertips. :)

Robbie's view point, is anything that has to do with liberal or the left = bad.. Anything to do with the right = good..

Wall of text goes here to rationalize my view point.

Got the Youtube or CNN video? :winkwink:

Having grown up in rural areas, and still residing in a rural area, the main reason that people from small towns are conservative is that they grow up relying less on the government. So they see any left wing government with their hand out as a cash grab to subsidize urban population. There's less need for federal social programs, because things are done more at a local level. It has nothing to do with access to media. (yes I live in Canada, but it's an issue that transcends borders.)

Yes, but what is the most ironic about this, is many of these rural states with loads of consertives, can't keep their states afloat with out hand outs from the federal govt. those hand outs come from states which are most often blue and very liberal.

Now to get back to my point, in big cities the population is usually very diverse. This means people have to be more willing to be open minded and accepting of other races and cultures. This is why most large cites are liberal ordinated.

Meanwhile people in rural areas don't usually deal with people of other races like you would in a large city. There is usually more separation between groups in a rural setting.

if it were only so simple, crockett. according to you, the problem with America is small town America. you know, on account of conservative radio.




p.s. according to statistics (reality) America is NOT mostly liberal. America is mostly conservative.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gal...0bmq4g9tqa.png

Yea this explains why Bush lost the popular vote... And McCain, Romeny were not even close to either of Obama's elections on popular vote.

I let you in on a secrect.. Most people on the left consider them selves moderate.. Why? Because there hasn't been any "real" liberal candidates in a presidential race for a very long time. There wasn't a "liberal" party as the Democratic Party is pretty much the Republican Party of Regans era..

I used the term "liberal" in my post because it's what the right weenies throw around all the time. I should of said more "left" orientated.

If you notice in your graph there is an up tick the last years.. That's because Sanders and Waren have been very vocal and are very liberal. They are gaining notice from Democrats which see them as what liberals should be doing. More people on the left are now seeing themselves as liberals and not moderates due to the Sanders/Warren effect and how far to the right the republicans have drifted.

I will bet you there will be a very big increase in recent/future years of the same polling.

Fail ...

You brought them first ...

nevertheless, America is vastly more conservative than liberal.

why not take a break from your drive-by bullshit? or just not be a dick for once? or simply just post your view on the topic? or just not post if this is all you can shit?

or just gofuckyourself.

crockett got the fun in it, you're too miserable to be able to do that.

From 2000 through 2006, Democrats were much more likely to describe their ideology as moderate than as liberal. In 2007, the year the Democratic Party regained control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 1994, the two lines converged, with Democrats equally likely to call themselves moderates or liberals. Now, in each of the last two years, Democrats have been more likely to describe their views as liberal than as moderate.

Liberal Self-Identification Edges Up to New High in 2013

well your humble opinion is as flawed as your grasp of history cause hitler was appointed to chancellor by the guy who beat him in the election.

mark i do like you but hillary is a joke & she better be praying bush wins the nom cause if trump gets it he's gonna clean her clock. She is feckless woman who was the most vociferous democrat to vote for Iraq. she couldnt beat a plebe senator from chicago she definitely aint beating a billionaire from new york. Trump will win her state of new york hands down. not enough libbies in the upper west side to get it for her.

:)

LOL. So me saying that people all over the United States all have access to cable t.v. and the internet is somehow an attack against your fake "liberalism"?

Dude...you are so bad at trolling.

Last time I was in NYC was in the winter of 2011.

And yep...it's still the same way there. As a white guy there are literally thousands of areas you can not go to. Not talking about in Manhattan. I'm talking about neighborhoods.

Meanwhile...when I lived in Greer S.C., the neighbor on one side of me was black. Two houses down was a young Mexican family.

You are trying to stereotype people.

Now, if you are out of the South that may be true. People living in Montana or some sparsely populated area.
But that's the exception, not the rule.

(I suppose now you will tell me again that this has to do with "Liberals vs Conservatives" or whatever you imagine in your head)

You can see the trend in your own graph.. The rise of people whom self relate as "liberal" directly corelates with the decline of those whom call themselves moderate. It wasn't people whom called themselves conservatives suddenly calling themselves liberal, it was moderate suddenly seeing themselves as liberal.

The point of your link has nothing to do with what I'm saying.. Previously most democrats viewed themselves as moderates. There wasn't any real liberal candidates to look toward..

Warren and Sanders both started rocking the ship in the Democratic port around the same time and speaking out against the status que of the Democratic Party. They started getting noticed and suddenly people started agreeing with them. When this happened democrats whom often considered themselves moderates started to view themselves as liberal.

The Republican Party also has its share of blame for the rise of liberals. Republicans have been throwing around the liberal term as an insult for quite some time now. I mean fuck they have called McCain too liberal for god's sake.. With the right going further and further to the right many on the left push back and go further to the left.

It's kinda like The right coined the name Obamacare as an insult of ACA. Obama did the smart thing took the name and ran with it. Now you rarely hear right wing polititions revering to it as Obamacare but rather ACA..

People on the left are doing the same.. The right uses the term liberal as an insult, now people on the left are taking the name and owning it. Your same poll in 2015 will show a dramatic rise of people identifying as liberal.

Sanders whom identify a as liberal, is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate running including Trump and Hillary.

Actually.. What I'm saying has already been proven.. In Gallups latest polls..

U.S. Liberals at Record 24%, but Still Trail Conservatives

The number will keep on rising..as I said those whom consider themselves moderates is declining and liberal is increasing while consertive stays roughly the same..

It also further goes on to show that, those whom consider them selves Democrats and Liberal is rising dramatically. Matching exactly what I said..

I agree. Sanders speaks his mind and doesn't care what the DNC thinks.

That is what people want...someone that says what he means.

It's the one thing that Trump and Sanders have in common. They make the other candidates all look like what they are: Lying politicians who will say anything to get power.

Sanders may be the guy to persuade me to vote Democrat instead of Libertarian IF he can win the Dem nomination.

what neighborhoods are you talking about? i've walked a number of shitty places in brooklyn many times, & white people walk in those places. very few white people actually do it.

its a myth. :)

I used to live in Brooklyn - Bay Ridge.

This is gonna be fun.

https://i.imgflip.com/n5uc8.jpg

crockett, you claimed most Americans identify as liberal and that's simple not at all true.

it doesn't matter about bernie sanders, 2011, trending, etc, most all Americans identify as conservative.

you were trying to claim that the problem with America is small town conservatives listening to conservative radio while in big cities and overall, USA is liberal, again, not at all right.

I also corrected myself and said identify as "to the left" and I explained why I used the term liberal in that post.

Also I never said the problem with America is small town USA. I said consertives from rural America tend to live in a bubble.