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Old 07-09-2015, 11:39 PM   #51
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OP, since it became corporate, news as you and I grew up watching and reading, doesn't exist anymore. It probably never will again. It is now called "opinion making."

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"The former CNN reporter Lyon clarified without any doubts that the CNN channel manipulates, fabricates news and follows restrictiveness when broadcasting news, stressing that the Channel receives money from the U.S. government and other countries? governments in exchange for news content."

Ex- CNN Reporter: I Received Orders to Manipulate News to Demonize Syria and Iran - peaceforall's Blog - Blogster

It has simply been decided, by whoever, that they don't want Trump as president. And all media outlets (not just CNN) are merely following that paid directive.
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:54 PM   #52
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Both sides are scared. Trump isn't following the political "RULES"
saying Non PC correct stuff.
LOL, I find it VERY funny, especially when people are trying to be so Serious.
He is fucking up the political money machine game, and the back scratching on both sides.
I can't wait for the debates.... HA

Maybe he did make to big of a blanket statement, but UMMMM look how many things the other candidates have said wrongly, Not PC, or just lies (cough Clinton).
Or maybe the truth hurts..... HA
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:58 PM   #53
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19 million illegals in the country and it's ironic for FOX news to find 4 or 5 who have committed a crime?
You missed it....

If you are Illegal, you HAVE committed a Crime.....j/s
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:13 AM   #54
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Heh-heh...I point out that the media (including Fox News) has it out for Trump. They are all (including Fox News...Charles Krauthammer called Trump a "rodeo clown" the other day on Fox News) doing everything they can to try and force him out of the Presidential race.

That's all.

I don't really care if some of you didn't listen to Trump's full announcement speech where he was CLEARLY talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Cherry picking that he said "Mexico is sending" when he clearly trying to say that Mexico was trying to push their criminals & undesirables into the U.S. illegally is just your own bias.

What I was pointing out, and it should concern everyone...is that the media is SHAPING the "news" and public opinion instead of reporting it.

I gave you a perfect example in the original post.

And instead of that being the point of discussion...the thread turns into yet another one of everyone telling us how they feel about Trump and politics and Republicans VS Democrats.

Bad news...nobody here (or anywhere) really gives a flying fuck about how any of us "feel" about anything.

But the media's hypocrisy and double standards and pushing political agenda's is something we should ALL worry about.
A free press is crucial to a Democracy.

And when we have a press with an agenda, it's not healthy for our society.
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Heh-heh...I point out that the media (including Fox News) has it out for Trump. They are all (including Fox News...Charles Krauthammer called Trump a "rodeo clown" the other day on Fox News) doing everything they can to try and force him out of the Presidential race.

That's all.

I don't really care if some of you didn't listen to Trump's full announcement speech where he was CLEARLY talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Cherry picking that he said "Mexico is sending" when he clearly trying to say that Mexico was trying to push their criminals & undesirables into the U.S. illegally is just your own bias.

What I was pointing out, and it should concern everyone...is that the media is SHAPING the "news" and public opinion instead of reporting it.

I gave you a perfect example in the original post.

And instead of that being the point of discussion...the thread turns into yet another one of everyone telling us how they feel about Trump and politics and Republicans VS Democrats.

Bad news...nobody here (or anywhere) really gives a flying fuck about how any of us "feel" about anything.

But the media's hypocrisy and double standards and pushing political agenda's is something we should ALL worry about.
A free press is crucial to a Democracy.

And when we have a press with an agenda, it's not healthy for our society.
he most certainly said those words.. He spoke of all illegals as mostly rapist, killers and then specifically said and "some" are ok people.. You are trying to sugar coat his BS..

Meanwhile this was the same brainiac whom was running around claiming Obama wasn't a US citizen.. Anton whom can take Trump seriously is short a few screws in their head just the same as all the idiots whom lined up to cheer on Sara Palin..

It's like every election cycle Republicans have to go out of their way to show us how dumb their candidates can be..


Also for added irony...

Immigrants reportedly help build Donald Trump DC hotel - Business Insider

Looks like illegals are good as long as they profit Trump's wallet..
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:41 AM   #56
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he most certainly said those words.. He spoke of all illegals as mostly rapist, killers and then specifically said and "some" are ok people.. You are trying to sugar coat his BS..

Meanwhile this was the same brainiac whom was running around claiming Obama wasn't a US citizen.. Anton whom can take Trump seriously is short a few screws in their head just the same as all the idiots whom lined up to cheer on Sara Palin..

It's like every election cycle Republicans have to go out of their way to show us how dumb their candidates can be..


Also for added irony...

Immigrants reportedly help build Donald Trump DC hotel - Business Insider

Looks like illegals are good as long as they profit Trump's wallet..

And every election cycle the conservative porn pushers come on here and tell us how they aren't really conservatives, they just wanted to point out this very conservative talking point because reasons. Poor, loudmouth Trump is being mistreated by the media. The same media that sucks Obama's cock according to them.
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:46 AM   #57
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The down side of "Freedom of the Press" is, they're free to say anything.

Right wing businessmen standing for election have a problem with migrants.

Voters hate them, share holders love the,
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You missed it....

If you are Illegal, you HAVE committed a Crime.....j/s

That is not entirely accurate. Only those illegal aliens, who crossed the border illegally, have committed a crime.

However, many illegal aliens in the US crossed the border 100% legally (using a student visa, tourist visa, etc) and simply stayed beyond the expiration date on their visa. That is not a crime whatsoever. That is a civil offense. So those types of illegal aliens have not commited any crime by simply being an illegal alien.
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That is not entirely accurate. Only those illegal aliens, who crossed the border illegally, have committed a crime.

However, many illegal aliens in the US crossed the border 100% legally (using a student visa, tourist visa, etc) and simply stayed beyond the expiration date on their visa. That is not a crime whatsoever. That is a civil offense. So those types of illegal aliens have not commited any crime by simply being an illegal alien.
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Note that no where in the link you provided does it say those who overstay their visa are committing a crime.
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"Being illegally present in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the INA..."

https://books.google.com/books?id=4h...ge&q &f=false
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Old 07-10-2015, 05:58 AM   #62
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You missed it....

If you are Illegal, you HAVE committed a Crime.....j/s

Everyone seems to forget that.


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Old 07-10-2015, 06:36 AM   #63
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sorry this is not a trump thing this is a media thing. ask hillary what she thinks of how the liberal media treats her.

she hates the press so bad she lassoed them together during a weekend campaign visit.

simply stated, we have a press where the most credible news source is a comedian.

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The Donald is a Jack-Ass and sets himself up for bad publicity maybe on purpose. (A Koch Bros. conspiracy )
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:39 AM   #65
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sorry this is not a trump thing this is a media thing. ask hillary what she thinks of how the liberal media treats her.

she hates the press so bad she lassoed them together during a weekend campaign visit.

simply stated, we have a press where the most credible news source is a comedian.


A comedian who stated he's retiring because he can't stand the thought of covering another election.
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"Illigals"
"committted a crime"

Are you retarded?
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19 million illegals in the country and it's ironic for FOX news to find 4 or 5 who have committed a crime?
by definition 19 million illegals are the crime
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Everyone seems to forget that.


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Yes I get that, although its a low level misdemeanor which is why its not enforced as much as it should be.

And for the record, I'm not defending illegals. I'm actually glad its being talked about, but Trump could give two shits about it. He is just throwing out there the most controversial thing he can come up with to get the media to stay focused on him. Trump cares about Trump, he is the ultimate attention whore with classic sociopathic tendencies.
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"Illigals"
"committted a crime"

Are you retarded?
Yes, but at least I can manage basic words such as 'illigals' and 'committted'.
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Let's face facts here. If someone is in a country and they have not filled out the proper documentation for them to stay, visit or live then they are commiting a crime.

Equate it to spitting on the sidewalk if you want but it IS a crime. I live in Washington Heights in NYC. Almost 100% latin. Guess how many do not speak English at all and are most likely here illegally? LOL

And yet they walk around like it's THEIR country and I'M the asshole idiot for speaking English. It is kind of sickening. But America allows all this "illegal" immigration because who will cut the lawns, clean the toilets and deliver us our food? NEVER forget that (corporate) America loves its' slaves. America was built on slave labor remember (blacks, Chinese, now the Mexicans).
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Yes I get that, although its a low level misdemeanor which is why its not enforced as much as it should be.

And for the record, I'm not defending illegals. I'm actually glad its being talked about, but Trump could give two shits about it. He is just throwing out there the most controversial thing he can come up with to get the media to stay focused on him. Trump cares about Trump, he is the ultimate attention whore with classic sociopathic tendencies.
most all elected government officials are psychopaths.



The Startling Accuracy of Referring to Politicians as Psychopaths - The Atlantic

Trump is no different that hills, bo, rr, etc et al,
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Why would the people running against Trump spend time "attacking" him, and distance themselves from him...?

Maybe because it's easier to attack him than address the issues at hand, if they keep him in the negative spot light, then that light is not on their own flaws. It keeps their name in the media and as a result in people minds. Anything they say against Trump also really can't fly back at them.

If candidate "A" were to "attack" Trump for something stupid he says on an issue then candidate "B" would basically need to back what Trump is saying to attack candidate "A" on it.

This also allow the candidates to talk about the issues without really saying anything other than they do not agree with Trump... Never really saying their own views or addressing the issue.
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Does someone actually think it requires a conspiracy for people to talk down about that walking pile of.. human cells? OK.

wehateporn, come on in. The water is so fine you can't even believe it. Srsly.
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I posted that this discussion was about the media manipulating the public and shaping the news instead of just reporting it.
I stated that nobody cares to read what any or our own personal political bias is or our opinions.
I pointed out that a free press is essential to a democracy instead of a press that is trying to shape events.

And then the first 2 replies were crockett and jswenson telling us all how they feel about trump and their opinion on politics.

Classic GFY
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cork it crockett!
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Donald Trump drama is selling ads, creating traffic and selling newspapers.

Bernie Sanders is scary to the vested powers and Hillary is the morphing candidate.
Half (or more) of the Republican candidates are not electable. The former clown-in-chief's brother is running -- who cares ...

Welcome to the BoZo bus ...

Donald Trump is the drama queen on the BoZo bus so the press pokes him with a stick because Donald Trump seems to like the attention so much.

A candidate needs to be controversial to get past The Donald


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~sigh~
Does anyone here WANT or CARE to hear what I THINK about Donald Trump or the Republican candidates or Hillary Clinton?

What? You're kidding me? I thought that you were all waiting breathlessly for that?

Shocker!

And yet...the replies STILL have nothing to do with what I was posting about originally.
It's still people posting under the delusion that their thoughts on politics are so interesting that we all can't wait to read them and change the world.
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nobody got my BO called some mexican illegals gang-bangers and got a free media pass thread either.
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The media hates Trump, Crosby & Hillary.

The current lynchmob mentality in America disturbs me. Say something that offends a group of people and you should lose all your standing and income. Not the American way.
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nobody got my BO called some mexican illegals gang-bangers and got a free media pass thread either.
It's exactly what I'm talking about.

The "Free Press" isn't a free press. It's controlled by the govt. and the two ruling parties.

Look at what the "Free Press" did during the war in Iraq. They bowed down to the Bush Administration and instead of actually covering what was going on in the war...they were "embedded" with the fucking troops!

How in the hell could they report ANYTHING critical of the U.S. invasion when they are staring into the eyes of U.S. soldiers?
And then they bowed down again and accepted it when they were told they couldn't take pictures of video of U.S. soldiers in coffins coming back home.

That wasn't a "Free Press" or any type of journalism.
All that we were told was that every soldier there was a "hero" and "defending our freedom"

And it's continued on to the point now that the media pretty much just takes it's marching orders from the Administration and the DNC & RNC.
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it seems to me this upcoming political cycle will be completely fucked & ridiculous. with click bait and social media and ad dollars driving the internet and tv more than ever, the hyperbole in the media will be out of sight. and someone like Trump, who shoots from the hip because he doesn't dumb down his comments through a litany of handlers and media expert consultants trying to not upset the lowest common denominator, will be easy fodder for a mean-spirited media/internet/tv/etc.
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The media hates Trump, Crosby & Hillary.

The current lynchmob mentality in America disturbs me. Say something that offends a group of people and you should lose all your standing and income. Not the American way.
It's really becoming an issue now that everyone is recorded nonstop. We worried about Big Brother, we should have worried about ourselves instead.
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It's really becoming an issue now that everyone is recorded nonstop. We worried about Big Brother, we should have worried about ourselves instead.
I call it The Tattletale State. A lot more innocent people will have to be hurt before things change. Socially acceptable bullying because someone has very different views than you is not ok.
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Hey I remember that weird little bald Texan with the French name was polling #1 for a long time, too (and for far longer than Trump).

Ross Perot anyone?
Yea ninjas tried to kill him in his Texas mansion so he dropped out of the race... lols

I remember him well...
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so according to this media talking head, Trump's appeal is on account of his using the words "really" and "very", he's on TV, 50 shades of grey, and he's really rich- conclusion: all that appeals to your older relatives, therefore, Trump leads the polls.

Your relatives really love Donald Trump: Here are the real reasons why - Salon.com


i'm sure there's a latin term for that sort of logic.
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by definition 19 million illegals are the crime
The crime is also the companies whom hire them, those companies should be considered as giving sanction and support to criminals.. Yet we won't hear a peep about punishing guys like Trump whom make use of the illegals as a cheap work force to keep their profits high..
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I should add this might cause Jon Stewart not to step down....
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The crime is also the companies whom hire them, those companies should be considered as giving sanction and support to criminals.. Yet we won't hear a peep about punishing guys like Trump whom make use of the illegals as a cheap work force to keep their profits high..
that's odd, i didn't see your thread lambasting and mocking and punishing Hills for hiring illegal.

Hillary Clinton's campaign hires illegal immigrant - Washington Times
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One thing I think we can all agree on, this campaign run leading up to 2016 would have been a lot more boring without The Donald.



His mass of haters are loath to admit "Trumpo the clown" is killing it.
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One thing I think we can all agree on, this campaign run leading up to 2016 would have been a lot more boring without The Donald.



His mass of haters are loath to admit "Trumpo the clown" is killing it.
This guy has built a fortune. Has one of the most recognizable names in the world. Covers the news whenever he wants to. And is now running for president of the United States.

Meanwhile, people spend their days posting on social media that they think he is a clown.
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This guy has built a fortune. Has one of the most recognizable names in the world. Covers the news whenever he wants to. And is now running for president of the United States.

Meanwhile, people spend their days posting on social media that they think he is a clown.
Trump inherited his fortune, dude. He's lost investors money in so many businesses and has been bankrupt multiple times. He ruined a football league and leases out his name for money, one of the few things he doesn't lose on.

He has always been a clown, this should not be disputed by either "side".
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Trump inherited his fortune, dude. He's lost investors money in so many businesses and has been bankrupt multiple times. He ruined a football league and leases out his name for money, one of the few things he doesn't lose on.

He has always been a clown, this should not be disputed by either "side".
Okay, he's a clown, that you have spent several days trolling online. Which he will never, ever see.

What does that make you? A clown troll?
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This thread reminds me of all the tube/manwin hating, and how every biz thread for a while degenerated into that sport. Instead of doing what you can do, or looking at what your 'side' can do, it's all about the other person, the other side, and what 'they' do or don't do.

That's human nature, but I'd have thought a board populated by self-employed business people had a bit more savvy than to fall for that shit, especially when it's so obvious. Like a few have mentioned, no different than clickbait and yet here's a bunch of people proverbially clicking away

Robbie... the non-answers in this thread are all the answers you need to your OP.
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I can concede the point he is clown-ish. He's also a lot of other things, not the least of which is he's a successful businessman who isn't given to making rash decisions, who often consults his trusted top underlings before choosing a course, and isn't afraid to go for the jugular when the situation warrants. Yes, he's had many egregious failures, but what truly successful person hasn't? Yet he's still in the game as one of the richest entities in America in spite of those failures. He utters plenty of off-color statements yet maintains a staunch no-shit attitude with an almost nonexistant tolerance for foolishness or anything unproductive he percieves. Sounds to me like someone whose campaign run might be worth keeping an eye on.

But yeah that hair, total clown town.
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This is just the media doing what the media does best: distraction. And who is a better distraction than The Donald? That hair, Ivana, Ivanka, that hair....wow.
It would just be nice if they (media) could do it honestly instead of by the underhanded back-assward ways they've been using, such as the examples Robbie pointed out. Anderson Cooper can at times be a decent reporter, on certain stories, causes, etc, but in this case he was purely a jackass typical of today's toxic cesspool of fact-fuckery known as "the Media."

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Without daddy, The Donald would've been fucked like a duck.

I think he was taken seriously until right after 'The Art Of The Deal', his book in the eighties. But then he started fucking up, losing money (and deals), going bankrupt....but he was smart enough to use his fame to catapult him into ever higher stratospheres of society.

I would say Donald Trump is the living embodiment of 'failing upwards' (along with George W. Bush) and perhaps the Peter Principle. If he ever does release his financials (he won't) the world will see the extent of his business 'genus' (or lack thereof).
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Without daddy, The Donald would've been fucked like a duck.

I think he was taken seriously until right after 'The Art Of The Deal', his book in the eighties. But then he started fucking up, losing money (and deals), going bankrupt....but he was smart enough to use his fame to catapult him into ever higher stratospheres of society.

I would say Donald Trump is the living embodiment of 'failing upwards' (along with George W. Bush) and perhaps the Peter Principle. If he ever does release his financials (he won't) the world will see the extent of his business 'genus' (or lack thereof).
granted, the guy inherited somewhere between 40m and 200m, and lost more than that more than a couple times only today to be worth >$4 billion and he's a puppetmaster of both political parties and the media. and let's throw in the facts that he's a brash loudmouth egotistical elitist snob. as if that's not the fucking eptiome of the American dream!

I mean really, all Trump is missing is a 4x4 with a gun rack to be 100% USof fuckingA. again, he's not my guy and i am not saying he is the guy. but he is living the dream, and yes, part of that American dream is the rollercoaster ride of losing it all. snubbing him for that really seems like an opportunistic easy way to insult someone- oh, that billionaire guy? pfft, he went bankrupt before he became a billionaire, he's a loser. and he's loud.
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it reminds me of the scene from breakfast club

you forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful


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granted, the guy inherited somewhere between 40m and 200m, and lost more than that more than a couple times only today to be worth >$4 billion and he's a puppetmaster of both political parties and the media. and let's throw in the facts that he's a brash loudmouth egotistical elitist snob. as if that's not the fucking eptiome of the American dream!

I mean really, all Trump is missing is a 4x4 with a gun rack to be 100% USof fuckingA. again, he's not my guy and i am not saying he is the guy. but he is living the dream, and yes, part of that American dream is the rollercoaster ride of losing it all. snubbing him for that really seems like an opportunistic easy way to insult someone- oh, that billionaire guy? pfft, he went bankrupt before he became a billionaire, he's a loser. and he's loud.
He's not my guy either but I will say for sure: I wish I was taking that ride with him and living his dream. LOL

Maybe I can bone Ivanka one day.....:D
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