The answer is pretty much the same as with making people buy. I want something, but it pays, what I do? Considering the subject of this thread and your post, please don't answer that give it free and use ad based business model. :)

Ad based business model is serious and pretty much the only business model for many businesses. For newspapers for example. Their revenue is even in best case scenarios about 50/50 from ads versus subscription. It really isn't very viable option to say that don't show ads. And many people like to see ads. For real, people even order shopping magazines (ads).

Not sure exactly what you're saying.

Just to be clear, anyone with a site havibg ads blocked needs to adapt.

Trying to find a way to serve blocked ads will not work and Google will likely see it as blackhat, same for sites who alter content based on the presence of an ad blocker.

I am saying that people don't want to spend money. Unless it is some sort of a status symbol or issue about fairness, they prefer to get what they want for free. So; they don't want to pay, nor they don't want to see ads (the generalization). The issue is that you don't always get what you want.

The only way to adapt is not giving it totally free, as you probably know as you sell subscriptions, not give those for free. However, selling subscriptions is not the only way to make people "pay". But both cases includes making people to do something they don't want to do (pay). Both includes giving people what they want (but just not for free, in the end at least).

A bit complicated explanation, but I am quite sure you got it.

Interesting link from that page .. hmmm

https://moz.com/blog/online-advertising-fraud

Read it to the end ... at least skim through the high-points.

All ad traffic that is coming into our network is being spot monitored in real-time now. Hadoop noSQL :P

I can see the proxies behind any click -- we have the technology ...
This includes ALL referrals.:2 cents:

Yes I understand. :)

The irony: I have paysites people pay to subscribe to.

Thieves steal from me, what people pay for.

They then post it for free, attracting leechers, hoping the leacher will click their ads and BUY :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

There were a couple nuggets of advice others gave so far. In the end, any advertiser who wants to make money needs to provide a place that attracts spenders, not leechers. You then need to respect how they want to see your site/ad, and refer them to where they're expecting to go. Anything else is a waste of time.

I have business idea for you and totally free (not even ad income for this one).

What about establishing own pirate sites pirating your own content? Sell to the "leechers" and for the rest of the folks too, but not the same stuff (as the leechers are not willing to pay for the pirated stuff). :)

This is a GREAT idea! Promote cloned copies of all the top tubes, with NO ADVERTISING totally free! Ad free tubes. Encourage people to upload from their favorite tubes to the ad free version :D

As for me, I've been feeding alternate versions of my content to the thieves (criminal network) for months now. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup it's cat and mouse with them. They are very selfish & determined to steal, keep switching identities:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

- Change banners sizes from the traditional, for example, instead of 300x250 , try doing a 302x252 (and resize it in CSS)
- Avoid "banner", "ad", in image src.

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I know Captain Obvious, strikes again.

The problem is buying/selling traffic which is what ads are essentially. Is so easy everyone does it, it's over done, the sites promoting are pretty poor beyond being a free wank. And the returns are appalling. s everyone's fretting over people who aren't going to buy not wanting the ads/spam.

A good approach. If you're not giving away, a free wank, that someone else is. It works. Catch 22.

Offer something the consumer will pay for, that he can't get for free. And it's a win, win situation.

Which is why bottled water sells when tap water is free. It's the "coolness" and convenience when impulse/need buying, of bottled of water. However why people buy large bottles of plain water for home, is beyond me. :1orglaugh

True :2 cents: thanks for the input - we're keeping the recovered ads for ourselves and not forcing any original ads though. Simply going to try to convert the traffic for now.

I added text below my banners - example > Login | Empire Amateurs

Example:

http://i.imgur.com/VoMEKCB.png

Site:
Christine movie mistakes, goofs and bloopers

I've seen those before :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's just a warning to educate surfers that the site now knows ads are being blocked.

We all know that sites relying on ads won't happily trade a Facebook like, or Twitter follow for their ad income in the end :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I wish some programmer would figure out ways around these ad blockers already. Its a damn shame its somehow legal to deny site owners money.

https://github.com/sitexw/FuckAdBlock :2 cents:

Great way of telling the surfer not to come back to that site.

This is a new world, ad blockers, spam filters are all part of it. And they will become more common, better at blocking and make your jobs harder.

Adapt of die. It's your turn now to be the cool ones and adapt. :winkwink:

Tube sites might suffer, imagine a world where the cost of delivering 30,000 free views/wanks to get a sale can't be paid for by ad sales. :Oh crap

oh ffs, Paul, give it a rest please.

@OP - at present I don't do anything about it, the thought was there to redirect those that do this, but that does not address the reason why they do it.

I don't use any adblocking plugins myself, live by the sword die by the sword mindset and I like to see how others are advertising.

Personally my worst experiences with ads are on news sites, these guys load up ads in every possible format and they are extremely annoying, worse than any porn site(s).

This conversation is pretty funny as everybody talks about advertising something, yet there is lot of ad bashing. In other words, there are still ads and advertising, just the format is different. Or if you aren't selling anything in any way, you are giving something for free.

So, lets make this ad blocking as a real ad blocking. Every ad, advertising, etc. is blocked by sophisticated software. For example no offers about subscription, webshops are blank, etc.

But for real, people want to see advertising and ads. The issue is more like that they want to be more in control; for example they expect and want to see relevant advertising about iPhone when they google about it (like webshops selling it).

For any site to succeed financially there has to be ads and advertising. If nothing else, advertising and ads about making donation. See my sig. It is an ad.

What people want to see is real information. When I bought a new laptop I wanted real reviews, our holidays are booked after reviewing the places and accommodation. Same goes for loads of products we buy or book online.

As you say people want to see where to buy, what to buy, now a site that gets to the top of the search engine with neither relying on ad sales.

Will Ad Blockers and Spam Filters be another adapt or die situation?

And part of the real information is also product information, etc., not just reviews.

What comes the ad sales, visitors don't really care about the website's business model, at least regarding this ad reliance issue. Ad is an ad. The both sites those get on top of the search in this case, rely on advertising. You look this from the webmaster perspective, visitors don't.

Showing product(s) is advertising, showing product information is advertising, showing customer reviews is advertising, etc. It is all advertising. It might not be banner, but it sure as hell is advertising (or more broadly marketing).

For example my porn sites. As an affiliate those are one fucking advertising from top to bottom, as all the material is essentially advertising material. There are banners in left side (one at a time aka one banner), but from marketing perspective that is irrelevant as the whole site is one big ad. I advertise subscriptions, whether I sell the subscriptions myself or not is irrelevant. Customers don't know about the ownerships about the sites those subscriptions I advertise.

Influencer marketing and PR from buyer reviews along with peer reviews-opinion in social media will always be more effective than CTA or creative advertising with regard to mainstream products and services.

The advertising media open to porn and porn related products is another matter.

I don't think the two can be compared.

This :2 cents:

Nice list!

08:12 AM-barry@deathstar9:...07-2015/adblock-keyword-list$ grep -in "xlove" adblock-keyword-list.txt |more
27479:||xlovecam.com^$third-party

One advertiser (?) has gotten us on the shit list :2 cents:

There are a lot of sites in this business on that list and a lot of the bulk advertisers that are answering a lot of threads around here.

As an buyer of bulk ads: what are we actually paying for the times the code appears on the page where it is blocked, where it is blocked in the browser or the actual delivery at our servers? I use Ghostery on one browser and the code is 'absorbed' by Ghostery. I get a page with a yes or no button. The ad is served to my browser and I don't see it just the warning 'blocked' page -- the ad was served to my IP and the advertiser pays. This goes for pop up, form onclick: Then there is a separate issue of display (banner) ads that never appear on the page.

Get that list and start checking your network ad domains :thumbsup

On my mainstream sites I have started experimenting with dynamically adding links to offers when Adblock is detected. It's been fairly successful, however considering the ad tools and the type of content provided on adult sites I have my doubts about how the method would translate to adult.

One of the problems is that in adult these days we rely so much upon 3rd party sponsors now. If you run your own sites then this isn't a problem, you can use text linking to direct traffic (some of it) to your own money sites. If you're reliant on third party ads then this becomes problematic.

I'm glad you brought up this topic Markul, there's a few smart people on this board, it's something worth investing some time into finding creative solutions for.

31385:||itv.com/adexplore/*/config.xml

You are just not doing the volume to be effected:2 cents:
of course they set themselves up "adexplore" but mainstream or adult is not the issue. Read that list -- the majority of blocking is on mainstream.

ITV – Player, TV Guide, ITV, ITV2, catchup, X Factor, Vera, Coronation Street, Emmerdale

What's the worse that could happen if ad blocking became very successful?

Considering we give away 30,000 ad supported free jerk offs to every sale?

People blocking ads, are people who don't want to see them. The sales lost are minimal. Ad blockers tip the balance away from Tubes being viable, then what?

Men won't stop jerking off while looking at porn.

Yes a lot of people who rely on buying or selling traffic relying on the 1-30,000 conversion rate sites will have to adapt. Just like we always have done. The clever ones are looking for the next step, not complaining the last one is in trouble.

1-30,000 is only an example.

If you take this beyond conventional porn thinking, there are lot of things lost. For example creating brand awareness. There is no need for people to click ad to create brand awareness. It doesn't matter that do the customers want to see the ads or not. Even in worst case scenario it influences people, but the wrong way (bad brand image).

People blocking ads still buy things (or vote), at least 99,999 % of them. Yes, they might not buy the Wonderdildo to be stuffed into ass, but they buy something.

As one big aspect in professional media buying is coverage; I don't really get the downplaying of this problem. Well, I work 99 % in mainstream, so maybe it influences my view about this issue.

We buy bulk ads at a reduced volume price and a customer we convert will average spend over $100 LOL. So, its not that bad of a deal for us even at a 1:30,000 first time conversion rate.

It would be a lot more cost effective if we paid 10X the price and got a 1:1,000 first time conversion rate.

1.) People will block ads
2.) People will close pop-ups/unders and DHTML
3.) Most 99.90%+ will not click banners

This advertising in general is ''top of mind branding.'' When the person you are trying to brand your name or product with never sees your brand -- then your money is just wasted on them.

Adult brands are not PC for social media really. You will have little result with radio ads. We have had some favorable results with cable (adult channel advertising). 40% to 50% +- of our sales have an DirectAccess origin -- type-ins. So the branding value in ads is substantial.

Let's face it, people don't all gather on Facebook to have a circle jerk together :1orglaugh

I never understand why there is not a ''porn social media" for us ''pervs.'' If this was a subscription site, for $4.99 a month, all of the users would have prequalified with payment cards and the site owner could make a bundle selling ads to his users that pay :2 cents:

Would it be worth offering some real full length content or cam exhibitions-specials live to a porn media audience that is payment card verified? Yeah, to some extent you are right -- you have to think out of the box. If someone does something serious in this direction we will rent a ''booth.''

How about outdoor ads? But as for example in Russia a big boobed ad girl caused massive amount of accidents, maybe it is best to avoid highways.

Also, as the ads will surely cause stir and opposition, it offers even more exposure as people are "Oh my, where is this world going to?" Wives tell to their husbands what new sins there are in town and at the night the husbands go check it out personally.

I understand it will need people to rethink there business model. As many have had to before and in the future.

Someone installing an Ad Blocker is exercising their freedom to do so. Are you saying they shouldn't or you should counter their decision?

If 99.99% of surfers weren't getting off on free porn, 1-1,000 might be very achievable. What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand.
Which should remain with the people who want to see your ads.Facebook advertising would be hit just as hard if the advertised benefit of the advert was given away free.

Trying to get people to pay $4.99 when wank fodder is free is dangerous. If the site is supported by giving away free porn to sell ad space, you might just harm sales.

Free porn advertising use to a box cover, then it moved to Newsgroups, FHGs, MPGs, and now Tubes, selling ad space that converts 1-30,000 on clicks. Anyone remember the days of 1-300?

The difference between mainstream is most of them don't give their product away for free, when they do it's rarely as easy as we do. Which has been the course of online porn for 15 years. Would it really cause harm if ad sales were no longer profitable enough to support Tube sites?

Anyway, Ad Blockers are here to stay, adapt or die.:thumbsup

Looks like Paul has his mojo back. :)

Truth :thumbsup


1) I don't need to be an affiliate I can have uploaders provide stolen content

2) I'll be a good guy and just make money off of "ad platforms", redirects, x-sales, upsells so surfers can see stolen content in HD,

3) Oops, I promised surfers free porn, but I'm redirecting them, I'm giving them ads, I'm upselling and cross selling.

4) Oh no! Surfers are blocking my ads and redirects, they aren't upselling or cross selling. They know I don't own the content now.

5) I must find a way to continue redirecting, serving ads, upselling & cross selling.

6) If they use an ad blocker I'll give them alternate low quality content, I'll let them know that I know they are avoiding my spammy ads. I'll disable certain functions of the site soon, yes, that will get them to click and pay, one way or another. I deserve this. I worked hard to steal all of this. I did it because I could. I'll fuck with ad blocker surfers because and content producers because I can. I own them. All of them are mine :1orglaugh:1orglaugh



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :321GFY

It is not just about business model. Branding is not business model, it is part of marketing. Of course ads are just one tool in branding tool box, but anyways, quite significant one.

I am saying that I can do what ever (legal stuff) I want regarding providing something for others. I can demand something in return, it is totally legal. They make their decisions, I make mine. One example of this is newspapers giving up free news stories in their websites, partially or totally and selling subscriptions to their sites. They can demand something in return, not just give up when their ad revenue declines. This doesn't sound like so bad-ass move in porn (as you do it already), but in today's news media it is.

Who has this kind of ad hate anyways? "An ad??!!! I fucking hate that company that is advertised in that banner."

It is anyways total oversimplification that people using ad blockers wouldn't want to see ads at all or would have very negative approach towards ads. Especially regarding end results. You know; many people have long been "These fucking TV ads, so much ads.. blaa.. blaa..." but they still buy things based on seeing ads. Why? Because that how they get to know the products in the first place. Or being displayed in the store (advertising). Even when he reads some social media post about it, the guy posting about it probably hasn't get to know the product by some telepathic way. No, he has first seen an ad about it or seen it in the store.

What branding? A person who doesn't want to see an advert, will see it as a negative towards that brand. :error

How many cam sites have been made the villain for there awful popups on tube sites :2 cents:

Why do you think cam sites are taking in near 1 billion dollars a year?

Surfers know our fuckin' names. There is no such thing as bad publicity they say. The Surfers are looking for free content on tubes so what the fuck do I care? I made them cry boo-hoo -- tough world the free porn word has become.

That is why the conversion rate is so low and why we pay a relatively low rate compared to the small traffic buyers. If you cannot buy enough traffic to have the numbers on your side -- stay out of the game -- you will lose.

You don't know what you are talking about. I doubt you have ever spent more that $1000 a day on internet ad network ads.

Clearly this mentality will not change, good for the industry as a whole. A window is open for non spammy innovators.