Mutt

notjoe's not all wrong - i've been told the same thing about the piracy problem in Australia. I can't actually remember if I was told the same reason as notjoe says or not. But I was surprised when they told me Australia is the worst country for adult DVD piracy.

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stevo

There's a shitload of "Legend" & "Redlight District" videos available at Adult Legal. Thats where AB gets all their shit.

bhutocracy

I don't know whether you're taking the piss out of me now because if it's sarcasm it doesn't work because I am right.
The sole reason we don't have a lot of major porn production here is that it's cheaper to buy the licenses from european and American production companies and reproduce them for the local market. If they are replicating them without licenses they are breaking the law. It wouldn't surprise me that some people are given the fact that it's not exactly a regulated industry.

bhutocracy

the money is in distribution. Im not saying they won't get ripped off by crooks, the only part of the adult industry the mafia has a part in here is distribution, im just saying that it is indeed illegal to break a porn film's copyright.
I was probably being a little too harsh with my snide comments, but only because it was such an obvious untruth and it couldn't go unchallenged.

notjoe

So it is illegal but it isnt enforced because of who is behind the plants? or is it just not enforced because it is porn?

Like i said, i am only going on what i know/heard from people i talk to, granted im not an assuie but i do know Canadian laws and Aussie laws are very close.

When we were doing our homework, pricing out replication machines, warehouses and whatnot we spoke to some friends in the business and that is basicaLly what it amounted to.

There is no doubt in my mind that it is easier to replicate something for your general area, and much cheaper once you factor in shipping and whatnot,

Again, i was just going on what i've been told and it was from multiple sources, so, if indeed i am wrong then i am wrong and it is as simple as that!

bhutocracy

I think it's less to do with who's behind them and more to do with it not being enforced because it is porn and video piracy isn't really as important to cops as other stuff, hence the reward money on the private video cover.
Sounds to me like it's just the people you spoke to reflecting a lasse faire attitude to porn copyrights not their legal opinion.
I tell you what though.. I will make some calls tomorrow to find a 100% definate position from the eros foundation or electronic frontiers.. because I am a little reticent at calling all your contacts dodgy fuckers, especially from multiple sources - they may have found some loophole which needs to be examined. I could end up eating my hat, but I doubt it - as sad as it is, there are a lot of dodgy guys here in that arena, and it's more likely that they're not accepting copyright breach for the infraction that it is, also maybe they were trying to keep you out of the market or some such thing.

also when the free trade thing is finalised there will be no difference at all even if they have found some legal work-around.

You've got me thinking in conspiracies now about anti porn politicians removing adult copyright to prevent a local porn production scene getting too big. But it wouldn't neccessarily work anyway.. the only thing I can think of is that extreme porn that is essentially illegal probably isn't protected by copyright and maybe your contacts are beasty distro's or something. Or maybe the way they distro'd beasty or scat filtered into the way they worked with everything else.. ok im getting to caught up into bullshit..

I'll keep you posted

Mutt

i don't doubt AB has licenses for the stuff that is available for license from Adult Legal. The problem with AB and DP is that their whole business is set up on the basis that they will attract and host hundreds of little DVD rippers and all those thousands of stolen movies will attract new members and hang on to existing ones a long time. They don't police anything, they are more familiar with DVD titles than anybody here because their whole business is all about it. When they see some jerkoff who can't even afford hosting or a domain name uploading new released DVD content onto their servers they know exactly what's going on. Not to mention that when they do license a DVD from a legitimate source they make that DVD available to AB affilliates to use on their sites.

Let's get real here. Do you think for one minute that if say SitePass,ProAdult,SexyAVS or any other AVS system went to Matrix Content or Paul Markham and licensed a shitload of content that Matrix or Paul would allow those AVS systems to give that content out to any webmaster who became a part of its AVS program? Not a chance, that shit won't fly when you're dealing with a web content provider. The ONLY reason they've been allowed to fly under the radar screen for the most part is that unlike Matrix or Paul Markham the video studios' core business is not on the Net and they are using a broker to license their content, the Net is a huge place, these people don't spend all day on the Net, they are producing, selling and shipping their DVDs.

They're being abused in a major way all over the place.
People should be thanking their stars that companies like Redlight are making their movies available to webmasters, cuz obviously surfers are loving them, try getting somebody to produce that kind of stuff on your own and see how much it costs.

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DangerDave

Get your fucking facts straight idiot!

Australia has nothing to do with it! and the above statement is just plain fuckin wrong!

AU Commonwealth Copyright Act 1968

How the fuck can we have copyright on everything except PORN!

and you are a content provider... sheesh!


Where did the MAFIA BS come from... now thats really funny!

Any of you got ONE SINGLE STATMENT OF FACT to back up your crap?

DD

DJRCyberAVS

Err...... yes. Don't know about with Paul, but I'm pretty sure that Matrix did such a deal ProAdult. FreeNetPass, CyberAge and many avs services have content deals where they have purchased content from providers for the sole purpose of their webmasters using it. Garill Publishing is another such content provider which allows this. Special deals mate...

Shoplifter

Is this just dawning on everyone now? We have asked them to take a stand up role in reducing the amount of stolen content on their sites. They told us to call Apic lol...

See this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...&highlight=dmm

Shoplifter

This guy has ripped Private titles on his site. It's with deluxepass not AB though.

Mutt

That's right, you said it mate - SPECIAL DEALS - as in a premium is paid by those AVS systems for the right to give content to their webmasters.

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homegrownmof

You are correct again Mutt.

When we licensed Homegrown Video and Xplor titles in Australia we had to ship artwork and masters to them before the videos even hit the street in the US. That was the only way to deter the pirates.

The Aussies also back-ended us in South Africa.

Not saying they're all bad btw...

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DJRCyberAVS

Mutt,

Yep, spot on mate

notjoe

I got my facts straight you fucking tool. I could BUY SKIDS of DVDS if i wanted to at a fraction of what they would cost to go buy them from the real producers of the content, and guess what, it is from .AU.

I was told it wasnt illegal for porn, what i think they meant is that if you do it and it is only porn they will not bother with you like they would if you were knocking off Warner Brothers.

What good is a law if it isnt enforced? Look at homegrown video, even he, who does requires replicators to produce their dvds, doesnt like that fact that while HomeGrown might only want a run of 20,000 DVDS there is actually 30,000 coming off the line.

notjoe

And no i do NOT buy product from .AU for this reason.

foreverjason

Thats news to me. How about copyrights to porn in the caymans?

iggysick

thiefs

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DangerDave

No Joe, you are still wrong... and ill-informed.

= wrong


= wrong - any complaint is enforceable


Just because you buy it from AU DOES NOT mean the infringement occured here.

What you are "complaining" about is AU's parallel imports system, and has nothing to do with copyright within AU.

DD

notjoe

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DangerDave
[B]No Joe, you are still wrong... and ill-informed.



"Just because you buy it from AU DOES NOT mean the infringement occured here."

Agreed.

"What you are "complaining" about is AU's parallel imports system, and has nothing to do with copyright within AU. "

Your right, when the company who owns the rights to the DVDS is out of stock and i could buy these DVDS from AU in bulk that must be a parallel import system. *eye roll*

(Note: when i say out of stock i do no mean freshly out of stock. Not all replicators will touch Porn.)


I was never "Complaining" and to be honest i really couldnt give a rats ass, I was simply told that there were to copyright laws on adult content within .AU. Whether the guy meant that copyright laws in regards to porn are lax and no one cares, as they would if you knocked off mainstream titles.

You cite laws and whatnot yet you have not actually pasted the part which defines what can have a copyright. I cited the laws as well but never claimed them to be the definitive end to the argurement.


"= wrong - any complaint is enforceable "

Well DUH, whether it actually is enforce is a completely different story now isnt it?

You must think finding a replicator to do porn is an easy job.
Care to enlighten us as to why people like Ameridisc dont touch porn DVDS anymore?

The only reason porn still gets farmed out to AU is because people are desperate. The order 20,000 copies and know 25,000 - 30,000 will get made. Go find a replicator in North American who will run-off porn DVDS.. not an easy task.

As for whoever mentioned private, you can control your own stock when you replicate the DVD movies yourself, such as Private. They own their own replication plant.

Kimmykim

Hmmm, I dont see how you could not have enforceable copyright on AU hosted or processed porn... especially since the last I heard you couldn't host or process porn in AU...

Of course at the end of the day DMCA allows the copyright holder to submit a complaint, or they have the option of going straight to court with a lawsuit.

There's none of this calling so and so and asking someone else about it... unless it's just to make trouble on a board for someone.

notjoe

You just said the reason they dont enforce it. Because they dont like it and dont want it and if they dont enforce it/protect it/copyright it then you dont really want your content/DVDS out in .AU now do you?

Some companies will handle it privately and take them to court for it but at the end of the day i do not belive the justice system will get involved.

Note: Im just taking a shot on this one but this is what would make sense and falls inline with what i was told. I am far from an expect on this and i am actually making use out of this info so it isnt all wasted

Kimmykim

Um, not enforcing a civil claim when a criminal offense has potentially occurred?

Damn my back is hurting, can you pass me some of what you're having?

notjoe

Having Pot on your person is a criminal offense here in canada but it doesnt mean that cops will arrest you for it. Hell, they'll take your doobie and go smoke it themselfs.

What you're telling me is that every single criminal offense is processed? That is very unlikely, and if the government is against porn, do NOT want any porn hosted, nor any processing for porn memberships and such done, why would they protect the porn?

Kimmykim

You make less and less sense with every post in this thread.

notjoe

You lost me when you said "Um, not enforcing a civil claim when a criminal offense has potentially occurred? " so i thought i would try to respond instead of clearing it up.

It isnt a hard concept to grasp. Even though something might be against the law it does NOT mean the gov't will enforce that law.

Follow?

So if the govt is against porn and doesnt really want it in its country,since they dont want porn hosted or processed on CC's (from what you said) why would they spend their time/money to go after the people breaking the copyright?


"There's none of this calling so and so and asking someone else about it... unless it's just to make trouble on a board for someone."

Wipe the gunk away from your eyes and face...

If you had taken the time to read the entire story you would have seen that i am not just pulling shit out of my ass or calling one person and relaying information.

Me and a few other people building a plan for a replication plant and that is how i came about this. My partners have been in this biz since you were probably in diapers.. i would trust them/their sources over any shit which is posted here.

Clearly when you attempt to jump into a area where you have competition you will check everyone and what the advantages are VS. disadvantages are for each location of every replicator in the world... Replicators are not like Bob's smoke shop, VERY few people have them since the major studios (mainstream) replicate their own DVDS.

Adultbouncer Rob

You have no clue what your talking about bud-dy notjoe.

Legend has contacted us and everything was dealt many days ago and it was dealt with appropiately. Also maybe you didn't notice AdultLegal.com has 2000+ DVDs available and leases them to other people such as Deluxepass. If those studios dont license their stuff then why does AdultLegal themselves offer this content? Meanwhile we do not license from Adultlegal our content is leased from another source.

So im not remotely worried. We pay a huge chunk of change for this content, but people keep babbling about the same thing on here.

Thanks drive thru.

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Kimmykim

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