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Old 03-16-2003, 07:13 PM   #1
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Grant Millar .. hows my new nick catch your eye

BulletProof hosting or in ICQ Storm Hosting is Grant Millar folks.

This lying scumbag piece of shit has ripped off a lot of people on GFY among the other boards.

His latest scheme involves Bulletproof hosting. But you need to provide your own proxy ip's. Welll DUH !!!! If I'm going to use my own proxy IP's for sending out spam mail you piece of shit I'll use my own host and not pay your overly inflated prices too.

Everybody that bought hosting from this low life scum should ask for thier money back immediately.


And just to show what a lying shit ball this asshole is everybody that ever got ripped off by Grant Millar please post here.
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:15 PM   #2
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lol

he is a fucking scum bag.. ripped me off and brad from sinhost and many many others..

stay the fuck away from that shitbag
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Do you have some sort of proof of this? This could turn into an interesting thread...
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:17 PM   #4
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Do you have some sort of proof of this? This could turn into an interesting thread...
ask brad from sinhost.. he is a wellknown honest guy.. grant never paid him for hosting..
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:19 PM   #5
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ask brad from sinhost.. he is a wellknown honest guy.. grant never paid him for hosting..

Never paid Brad for hosting even after Brad stood up for and defended this lying piece of shit Grant Millar.
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ask brad from sinhost.. he is a wellknown honest guy.. grant never paid him for hosting..


That isn't what I was referring to. I meant, how do you know Bullet Proof is Grant?

By the way, do I know you?
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:20 PM   #7
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That isn't what I was referring to. I meant, how do you know Bullet Proof is Grant?

By the way, do I know you?

ICQ him and ask for a wire address ... I did ...
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:22 PM   #8
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I was happy with the mailing they did for me, I sent him almost $4k to mail to my newsletter and he didn't rip me off. I heard he owed that Sin Host guy a couple hundred bucks for hosting from a long time ago, I don't know if that's true or not, but either way his hosting is not a rip off. Also it's my understanding the guy who posts here as Bulletproof is a guy named Craig who works with Grant Millar. I sent the money to Grant, though.
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:24 PM   #9
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I was happy with the mailing they did for me, I sent him almost $4k to mail to my newsletter and he didn't rip me off. I heard he owed that Sin Host guy a couple hundred bucks for hosting from a long time ago, I don't know if that's true or not, but either way his hosting is not a rip off. Also it's my understanding the guy who posts here as Bulletproof is a guy named Craig who works with Grant Millar. I sent the money to Grant, though.
i guess 1 out of 3 aint bad eh?
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:26 PM   #10
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I was happy with the mailing they did for me, I sent him almost $4k to mail to my newsletter and he didn't rip me off. I heard he owed that Sin Host guy a couple hundred bucks for hosting from a long time ago, I don't know if that's true or not, but either way his hosting is not a rip off. Also it's my understanding the guy who posts here as Bulletproof is a guy named Craig who works with Grant Millar. I sent the money to Grant, though.

$4K to just send a newsletter ???

Bro he's only charging $900 a month for a virtual account and allowing you to send 10 million addresses a day so guess what.... yes you were ripped off. hahaha
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:27 PM   #11
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$4K to just send a newsletter ???

Bro he's only charging $900 a month for a virtual account and allowing you to send 10 million addresses a day so guess what.... yes you were ripped off. hahaha

But you must use proxy's to send the mail ... so if your going to use proxy's anyways why pay his price. Also do a search for this shitbag ... look at how many people he's ripped off in the past.
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:29 PM   #12
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:36 PM   #13
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Sly, how can this be an interesting thread? We've all read the year old Grant Millar threads where a couple anon nicks made today team up on him. He lives in my city, and I've met him in person, he's not a bad guy. We've heard he owes Sin Host a couple hundred bucks. We've heard he owes various anon nicks hundreds of thousands (lol), all I know is that I got what I paid for, and I know a couple other GFY regulars are with him now to.
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cool Rich, you can slide over and pick up that couple thou he keeps telling me he wired the day before
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$4K to just send a newsletter ???

Bro he's only charging $900 a month for a virtual account and allowing you to send 10 million addresses a day so guess what.... yes you were ripped off. hahaha
I have a lot of subscribers.
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Yes,if you were a spammer and you got ripped off by this other spammer, please step forward NOT ALL AT ONCE NOW!
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Old 03-16-2003, 07:48 PM   #17
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Yes,if you were a spammer and you got ripped off by this other spammer, please step forward NOT ALL AT ONCE NOW!
Unfortunately there are a lot of ways webmasters got ripped off by this shitbag.

Brad from sinhost isn't a spammer yet he got ripped off.

Among alot of other legit people.
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if you want to make a point use your real nickname, your credibility at the moment is 0.
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scammers beware is nothing but a peice of shit himself. He is obviously too gutless to post his real identity, which is why he registered a new username designed specifically to defame the reputation of a very good service.

Sounds to me like a bulletproof hosting competitor who can't get his shit together. Or Dean Capture perhaps?

See thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=1490814

What a lame, moronic attempt to rid the world of spam.

Dear peice of shit, who the fuck do you think you are coming on here and bagging someone I know personally, who has never ripped off a soul in his life?

Storm Network is NOT Grant Miller. His name is Rusty Fer*****, and i've dealt with him for years. He is a very trustworthy individual and I know many spammers who are hosting with him and are making a fortune.

Great detective work, Ace.

'scammers beware', why don't you come out from behind the smoke screen and show your face, like a man? Oh thats right, probably because your too busy seeking some kind of ego stimulation by shooting content. I forgot.

And I'm also curious why anyone would believe anything a professional idiot with 8 posts has to say?

Hmm? Oh thats right, your dick and balls have retracted back in the safety your stomach. Go home to your mother.
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pentae, I think Grant Millar is partners with Bulletproof/storm hosting, but you took the words right out of my mouth man.
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scammers beware is nothing but a peice of shit himself. He is obviously too gutless to post his real identity, which is why he registered a new username designed specifically to defame the reputation of a very good service.

Sounds to me like a bulletproof hosting competitor who can't get his shit together. Or Dean Capture perhaps?

See thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=1490814

What a lame, moronic attempt to rid the world of spam.

Dear peice of shit, who the fuck do you think you are coming on here and bagging someone I know personally, who has never ripped off a soul in his life?

Storm Network is NOT Grant Miller. His name is Rusty Fer*****, and i've dealt with him for years. He is a very trustworthy individual and I know many spammers who are hosting with him and are making a fortune.

Great detective work, Ace.

'scammers beware', why don't you come out from behind the smoke screen and show your face, like a man? Oh thats right, probably because your too busy seeking some kind of ego stimulation by shooting content. I forgot.

And I'm also curious why anyone would believe anything a professional idiot with 8 posts has to say?

Hmm? Oh thats right, your dick and balls have retracted back in the safety your stomach. Go home to your mother.


Good move moron. Thanks for coming out and showing your mentality after it has already been confirmed that it is Grant Millar.

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confirmed by who? by an anonymous with 9 posts? ok
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confirmed by who? by an anonymous with 9 posts? ok
I've confirmend that the name I sent money to was Grant Millar, from what I know he is a partner in the operation. But you're right, what I have yet to see confirmed is that there is anything wrong with the service these guys offer. From my experiances with them Grant and Rusty and everyone else there are top notch people.

Maybe one of them has had problems in the past, I really don't care. Show proof there is anything dishonest going on now or go home. At least have the balls to post with your real name, everyone deffending them sure is.
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Well if anybody needs me to speak up I know this to be Grant Millar also.

This thief has been banned from my ICQ a few times over the years. Me being in hosting I have dealt with quite a few people ripped off by him.

In a search to see who owns and operates the so called bullet proof hosting (always know your competitors) I have talked to storm hosting on ICQ and have confirmed that it is indeed Grant Millar. I have again banned this guy from my ICQ.

He has in the past tried to sell "opt-in" mailing lists which turned out to be nothing more than web generated lists. Now he is pushing this "Bullet Proof Hosting" which every IP address he gave to me came back to cogent lines. When I questioned him on how someone can send mail directly through those lines he replied with "they can't they must send through a proxy".

Not to mention like I said I have many friends in the hosting industry one of them being Brad from sinhost and it's very public knowledge this guy ripped Brad off.


So this is just another in the long scheme of rip offs for this guy.
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JFPdude, you have a link to techiemedia.net in your sig, do you work for them? Last time I talked to Grant he said he was hosting some sites with them.
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scammers beware is nothing but a peice of shit himself. He is obviously too gutless to post his real identity, which is why he registered a new username designed specifically to defame the reputation of a very good service.

Sounds to me like a bulletproof hosting competitor who can't get his shit together. Or Dean Capture perhaps?

See thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=1490814

What a lame, moronic attempt to rid the world of spam.

Dear peice of shit, who the fuck do you think you are coming on here and bagging someone I know personally, who has never ripped off a soul in his life?

Storm Network is NOT Grant Miller. His name is Rusty Fer*****, and i've dealt with him for years. He is a very trustworthy individual and I know many spammers who are hosting with him and are making a fortune.

Great detective work, Ace.

'scammers beware', why don't you come out from behind the smoke screen and show your face, like a man? Oh thats right, probably because your too busy seeking some kind of ego stimulation by shooting content. I forgot.

And I'm also curious why anyone would believe anything a professional idiot with 8 posts has to say?

Hmm? Oh thats right, your dick and balls have retracted back in the safety your stomach. Go home to your mother.
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if we don't get paid, you can look for this thread back up again tomorrow and a nice long article on Setgo
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Let me Get this Straight - A SELF-PROCLAIMED Spammer is calling Grant a Scammer?




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of FUCK, that is FUNNY.....FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY
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...gfy is like the energizer bunny... it just keeps going and going and going... I'm inclined to say a few things-

First, I stand by everything I've ever posted on GFY. For me, if it's from today or a year ago I mean what I say and say what I mean. I've posted on this subject before, y'all can do the research but I'm not going to dig up old bones.

Why?

For better or worse, I'm at peace with a lot of things now. I just want to be left alone. I devote a tremendous amount of time to SinHost and SinTalk and with a baby due in the next week or two I've got plenty on my mind and tons of work to get done.

Amidst alot of the chaos, drama, cheating and lying that takes place in our industry there are lots of great people. My best advice to everyone here is to always proceed with caution, stay honest and work hard... if you chase the easy buck you're ultimately the creator of your own misery.

Eventually, we all get screwed. Nothing has ever come easy to me and I've had lots of expensive lessons. The only pearl of wisdom worth sharing is that after you fight the good fight you need to get back to work. The negative energy, thoughts and fantasies of vengence won't grow your business or make you sleep any better at night. In all of my experiences, the debts never, ever get repaid.

Best of luck to everyone! May all your wrongs be righted.

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Buuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


of FUCK, that is FUNNY.....FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY FUNNY
whats funny about it fatman?

spammers have feelings too!

thats like saying tis ok to rip off a lawyer.. scumbags of the earth.. still dont make it right to rip them off too.
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I am the owner of Storm Network Services. Proud Owner. I do know Grant, I know him as Dice. I don't believe I have Grant's last name any where. Sounds like it's the same person. Storm Hosting is a little to close to the name I've established for me, but hey, it's a free Internet. I've not been posting here for the last month or so, had started posting here about a month before that. Decided to wait until my website was finished. It's still not finished but it's worth a visit, if fucking rocks. Check out the Flash Into at http://www.stormnetwork.us.

I do know Grant. We've done some bussiness together and he's alway been great with me. He told me that he did have a $300 debt with someone. He seems to be getting mixed reviews here. Grant is providing hosting and so am I. There's lots of room here for many providers.

I've seen times when clients are incompetant and blame the hosting. Most of my customers will give you glowing reports about me, especially in regards to honesty and support. But I could, thought I wont, send you to a couple who are not happy with me at all.

But I could go on what I see here which are words, or I could go with what I know about Grant myself. I did ask someone here for more information, but I've not heard from them.

I've been watching this thread, not quite sure how to respond to it or if I even should.

Thanks Pentae for the kind words. ;) I think equally of you. Not easy to find people I really trust in this business and your the exception.

I don't know what's gone on with Grant in the past. Seems he's had some problems. But then others seem very happy with him. You know, there's a difference between a scammer and someone that things don't work out with. A lot of times, people come to the wrong conclussion due to poor communication. I come to the wrong conclusion all the time myself, but now rather than act on it, I ask if what I'm thinking is right or not right.

I find it very difficult to believe Grant is a con man and I'm a very suspicious person. I usually spot them a mile away. With Grant, everything he's told me he was going to do, he's done. We've had communication issues though where both of us caused the problem.

We are not the same. I have done business with him and I do know him. He's been nothing short of exceptinal and honest in his dealings with me.

I have a feeling some people need to talk about stuff. I think the individiual is that started this post is. And I think I know why he's upset. If so, he tends to jump to conclusions and does things to cause himself problems. He's a little bit hyper and nervous which this business does to many of us. I hope you'll contact me, I'd like to talk to you and see if you are who I think you are. You might want to put down your sword and try to work things out.

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I've never really done any business with Dice but, I have talked to him and he seems like a good guy.. With fake names and nothing to back this shit up your really not saying anything to change my mind about dice..

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...gfy is like the energizer bunny... it just keeps going and going and going... I'm inclined to say a few things-

First, I stand by everything I've ever posted on GFY. For me, if it's from today or a year ago I mean what I say and say what I mean. I've posted on this subject before, y'all can do the research but I'm not going to dig up old bones.

Why?

For better or worse, I'm at peace with a lot of things now. I just want to be left alone. I devote a tremendous amount of time to SinHost and SinTalk and with a baby due in the next week or two I've got plenty on my mind and tons of work to get done.

Amidst alot of the chaos, drama, cheating and lying that takes place in our industry there are lots of great people. My best advice to everyone here is to always proceed with caution, stay honest and work hard... if you chase the easy buck you're ultimately the creator of your own misery.

Eventually, we all get screwed. Nothing has ever come easy to me and I've had lots of expensive lessons. The only pearl of wisdom worth sharing is that after you fight the good fight you need to get back to work. The negative energy, thoughts and fantasies of vengence won't grow your business or make you sleep any better at night. In all of my experiences, the debts never, ever get repaid.

Best of luck to everyone! May all your wrongs be righted.

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I threatened to bring this thread back up if I got stiffed for my cash, and I also promised to bring it back up if I got paid.

I got paid what I was owed, so as far as I'm concerned Grant Millar is no scammer.
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whats funny about it fatman?

spammers have feelings too!

thats like saying tis ok to rip off a lawyer.. scumbags of the earth.. still dont make it right to rip them off too.
lawyers don't send porn to grandmas and children that don't want to see it.
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