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  • DVTimes
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    • Jun 2003
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    #1

    How legal is content like this?



    A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?
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  • Wendy-Etology
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    • Jan 2015
    • 274

    #2
    is she under age? lol

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    • DirtyDreamer
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2005
      • 458

      #3
      Check the local laws for public nudity. Most likely the model will be arrested for indecent exposure and you for lewd behavior. Several camgirls were recently arrested for doing live shows at college libraries. I remember one model arrested for doing a public shoot a few years ago.
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      • j3rkules
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        • Jul 2013
        • 22111

        #4
        Depends of your location...

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        • 420
          cuck
          • Mar 2003
          • 11571

          #5
          Divvy, you could get a bottle smashed on your head if you piss off a pub owner. Best to ask permission and let the owner shoot a scene with the model as payment.
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          • Barry-xlovecam
            It's 42
            • Jun 2010
            • 18083

            #6
            A pub is private property -- it may be open to the public but it is private property.

            If you are not compliant with the owner's authorized use to the public you are in trespass.

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            • RyuLion
              • Mar 2003
              • 32369

              #7
              Originally posted by celebsnudehd
              Depends of your location...

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              • sonofsam
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Dec 2004
                • 18641

                #8
                Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                A pub is private property -- it may be open to the public but it is private property.

                If you are not compliant with the owner's authorized use to the public you are in trespass.
                I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
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                • Kelli58
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                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2253

                  #9
                  You would need to get a release for anyone that appears in the video. That might be a problem in a public place.
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                  • VIXEN ESCORTS
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 1103

                    #10
                    A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs.
                    No they haven't. Why would a "few" people ask you to do anything ? Maybe you could do a scene in Tescos, you flip out your half inch willy and the tagline reads "Every Little Helps".

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                    • H-Tom
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                      • Jul 2005
                      • 677

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DVTimes


                      A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?
                      Great chick, what's her name?

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                      • InfoGuy
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                        • Apr 2010
                        • 3052

                        #12
                        I've heard that bars can lose their liquor licenses due to patrons displaying nudity or performing sexual acts. Obviously, this depends on the jurisdiction.
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                        • Barry-xlovecam
                          It's 42
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 18083

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sonofsam
                          I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
                          Trespass is a misdemeanor criminal offence. You could be arrested on the spot ...

                          That trumps getting sued but the arrest and conviction is proof you had no right of privacy release. So, you most likely would be found guilty and have a civil judgment entered against you also.

                          In any case you would need signed releases unless the persons were celebrities.

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                          • Barry-xlovecam
                            It's 42
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 18083

                            #14
                            Originally posted by InfoGuy
                            I've heard that bars can lose their liquor licenses due to patrons displaying nudity or performing sexual acts. Obviously, this depends on the jurisdiction.
                            So how would you explain toppless and bottomless bars? Depends on the local laws ... State liquor license regulations, etc.

                            Lewd and lascivious acts are generally prohibited in public places.

                            Ask a lawyer local to the jurisdiction -- it's a can of worms.

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                            • Creatine
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                              • Apr 2013
                              • 1060

                              #15
                              I don't know but if I found out I'm in the background of some porn video I'd go after whatever studios shot it.

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                              • blackmonsters
                                Making PHP work
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 20960

                                #16
                                The bar staff might beat you once they catch you filming.
                                The dude in the BG cheating on his wife might kill you.

                                Find a movie set, why be stupid.

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                                • blackmonsters
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                                  • Nov 2002
                                  • 20960

                                  #17
                                  Sometimes people think they've figured out something new but they've only figured out something stupid that people stopped doing a long time ago because it was stupid.
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                                  • 420
                                    cuck
                                    • Mar 2003
                                    • 11571

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                    The bar staff might beat you once they catch you filming.
                                    The dude in the BG cheating on his wife might kill you.

                                    Find a movie set, why be stupid.

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                                    I think divvy might lack the fundage for a rental and extras.


                                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                    Sometimes people think they've figured out something new but they've only figured out something stupid that people stopped doing a long time ago because it was stupid.
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                                    • blackmonsters
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                                      • Nov 2002
                                      • 20960

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by 420


                                      I think divvy might lack the fundage for a rental and extras.
                                      Oh yeah, but how much fundage does he have for dental implants?

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                                      • 420
                                        cuck
                                        • Mar 2003
                                        • 11571

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                        Oh yeah, but how much fundage does he have for dental implants?

                                        I would guess zero. He's from UK where they don't even have dentists.
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                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                          It's 42
                                          • Jun 2010
                                          • 18083

                                          #21
                                          For the record, after the cam model 'incident' exposing herself on cam in a public library, I amended our XloveCam model rules to explicitly prohibit such behavior, for both legal and ethical reasons:

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                                          • sicone
                                            Retired
                                            • Jan 2004
                                            • 18453

                                            #22
                                            My GFY law degree has taken the weekend off for the holiday, so it might be best to ask your own lawyer.

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                                            • Acepimp
                                              All Facts Matter
                                              • Jan 2012
                                              • 20309

                                              #23
                                              At the very least, you would need to blur out everyone else's face. But the consensus here is that this is a dumb idea. I have to agree.
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                                              • L-Pink
                                                working on my tan
                                                • Mar 2005
                                                • 39151

                                                #24
                                                Nobody contacted you to shoot anything

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                                                • Spunky
                                                  I need a beer
                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                  • 133986

                                                  #25
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                                                  • Jim_Gunn
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                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 5702

                                                    #26
                                                    I've done many shoots in my career in practical locations like bars, night clubs, strip clubs, restaurants and most recently a liquor store at a client's request. Of course, I did the right thing by asking permission to shoot when it was closed for business or to shoot in a private area and paying the proprietor for the privilege as well as hiring a few extras who signed releases to be in the background to look like it was open for the public. You're nuts if you think you can just waltz in somewhere in public and film a business and random people without their permission.

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                                                    • LizardKing
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                                                      • Jul 2014
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                                                      #27
                                                      love that shit!
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                                                      • tommy730
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                                                        • Aug 2011
                                                        • 651

                                                        #28
                                                        Is it illegal to not wear panties? Technically she's not exposed, that's an upskirt between two people. The legalities could be questionable/subject to interpretation imo

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                                                        • RJHere
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                                                          • Jan 2013
                                                          • 234

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                          who signed releases to be in the background

                                                          I bet that this kicker doesn't

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                                                          • Markul
                                                            Likes Pie
                                                            • Dec 2007
                                                            • 12403

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                            Nobody contacted you to shoot anything
                                                            But.... I pulled out...

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                                                            • DVTimes
                                                              xxx
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 31658

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by RJHere

                                                              I bet that this kicker doesn't
                                                              ouch

                                                              to be honest doing that in public were kids could have seen her was stupid

                                                              that old boy was right to give her a kick up the bottom
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                                                              • aka123
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                                                                • Jul 2014
                                                                • 4450

                                                                #32
                                                                As already said; depends about your location where you film it/ show it. For example; I wouldn't show even Disney cartoon in Saudi-Arabia. Active selling/ showing in US is borderline case, due to fucked up legal system. If you want to have some legal insurance that covers USA it fucking costs, if someone is even willing to give that. Not all domestic insurance sellers even want into that game. I don't know about UK, maybe there are more willing sellers.

                                                                In generally, if you film in private premises, you will need permission from the owner/ whoever has the right to use that premise. Porn or not porn.

                                                                Porn filmed in public place is another thing. Around here you can film in public place in generally. If someone is just on the background I think he has nothing saying in this. Unless you make him part of the scene somehow. Although I don't know the details regarding porn, as there is no such details at least around here, you have to apply other non-specific rules.

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                                                                • Lykos
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 31032

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by celebsnudehd
                                                                  Depends of your location...
                                                                  I think so as well

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                                                                  • HowlingWulf
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                                                                    • Nov 2001
                                                                    • 1662

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by H-Tom
                                                                    Great chick, what's her name?
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                                                                    • celandina
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                      • 11715

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DVTimes


                                                                      A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?

                                                                      See a post about revenge operator ( posting clips without consent) getting 18 years " hard time" you may be next....unless you have the right paperwork, like the public nudity sites.

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                                                                      • iSpyCams
                                                                        Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                        • May 2009
                                                                        • 4436

                                                                        #36
                                                                        You could do like that one program and get intentionally arrested then complain all over about it for publicity.
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                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                          It's 42
                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                          • 18083

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by pompousjohn
                                                                          You could do like that one program and get intentionally arrested then complain all over about it for publicity.
                                                                          You think Leo did that intentionally? I doubt that. Sound like sour grapes to me ...

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                                                                          • iSpyCams
                                                                            Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                            • May 2009
                                                                            • 4436

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                            You think Leo did that intentionally? I doubt that. Sound like sour grapes to me ...
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                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                              It's 42
                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                              • 18083

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I thought you meant that Kendra Sutherland library exposure incident at MFC ... the resulting publicity

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                                                                              • iSpyCams
                                                                                Amateur Gynecologist
                                                                                • May 2009
                                                                                • 4436

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                I thought you meant that Kendra Sutherland library exposure incident at MFC ... the resulting publicity
                                                                                Nah, I was not aware of the MFC thing and I wouldn't imagine they are hurting for publicity, it's the first thing anyone thinks of when you mention cams.
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                                                                                • InfoGuy
                                                                                  80/20 Rule
                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                  • 3052

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                                  • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                    It's 42
                                                                                    • Jun 2010
                                                                                    • 18083

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by InfoGuy
                                                                                    If this is part of your TOS, you should proofread it.
                                                                                    yeah i saw that -- shit happens.

                                                                                    probably got interrupted with something.

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                                                                                    • DBS.US
                                                                                      Geo Cities
                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                      • 11843

                                                                                      #43
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                                                                                      • aka123
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                                                                                        • Jul 2014
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        What does that "arrested" mean in this case? Can't they just call or send a letter and ask to arrive to police station? Do they really arrest you because of minor law breaking (in US)?

                                                                                        I have been asked to police station twice, both times by letter, and both times I also walked peacefully out. No SWAT team busting in through windows. The other time I was suspected for real felony (not quilty), other one was just about car accident I had been in.

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                                                                                        • JFK
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                                                                                          • Jan 2002
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by 420
                                                                                          I would guess zero. He's from UK where they don't even have dentists.

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                                                                                          • Penny24Seven
                                                                                            So Fucking What
                                                                                            • Jun 2007
                                                                                            • 6287

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                                                            I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
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                                                                                            • 420
                                                                                              cuck
                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                              • 11571

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                              Is it only the brits? Austin Powers didn't really talk about why his teeth were bad.
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                                                                                              • TheDA
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                                                                                                • May 2006
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                For everyone posting advice for him - he has not been asked to shoot any content inside pubs and shops. He is a useless fucking idiot and is wasting your time.
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