Do you Think Obama is Doing Enough to Defeat Isis?

[mahoney]

Do you Think Obama is Doing Enough to Defeat Isis?
I can't believe modern day Nazis like this still exist.
Pretty Scary Shit

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mahoney

Do you Think Obama is Doing Enough to Defeat Isis?
I can't believe modern day Nazis like this still exist.
Pretty Scary Shit

obama is denying that isis has anything to do with islam ... no telling how that will turn out. I think islam needs to sort out islam.. they got more money than we do... I don't think ANY Americas should shed blood for Islam's creepy bullshit

[mahoney]

Even though Radical Muslims only make up a small % of Muslims it still pencils out to MILLIONS some of which are already living in America. It's a complex problem to say the least. There are no easy answers.

[Rochard]

I do not believe Obama is doing enough.

But it's really all a game isn't. The Republicans want to do something, but instead they all they want to do is complain that the President isn't dong something. They will complain until ground troops will be sent in. Then once we are involved in yet another war, and US losses mount, they will complain that Obama (and by extension the Democratic party) has gotten us stuck in a war no one wanted - right about the time Hillary is running.

I do think we need to do something.

We need to issue an ultimatum - Either ALL of this stops immediately or we will wage all out war to destroy them all. We can start with Africa, because that's some fucking shit going there. (Again an entire town was raided and all boys above the age of 12 were taken.) Work our way to Libya, and then Syria. We'll have to deal with Yemen, and maybe even Pakistan.

[dyna mo]

he is doing too much. Getting in bed with bad regimes, we know how that shit ends up. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.


and certainly we do NOT need to send troops anywhere into battle with IS. Can you imagine the death and destruction we would lay down in retaliation for one of our guys getting caught and set on fire in a cage and video'd?

IS is creating enemies and multiple fronts for itself across the globe, let the world do their part. cut off their funding for starters. can't buy oil from IS or artwork, blah blah.

[seeandsee]

It new poison, hard to fight

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he is doing too much. Getting in bed with bad regimes, we know how that shit ends up. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.


and certainly we do NOT need to send troops anywhere into battle with IS. Can you imagine the death and destruction we would lay down in retaliation for one of our guys getting caught and set on fire in a cage and video'd?

IS is creating enemies and multiple fronts for itself across the globe, let the world do their part. cut off their funding for starters. can't buy oil from IS or artwork, blah blah.

If We took on this strategy in World War 2 we would all be speaking German right now. Freedom isn't Free.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mahoney

If We took on this strategy in World War 2 we would all be speaking German right now. Freedom isn't Free.

You give them waaay too much credit. These aren't the germans not by a long shot.


This is a mess caused by getting rid of saddam.

[bronco67]

Like I've said in other threads....Isis will kill Isis by means of hubris. Their overreach has started and it's only a matter of time before they grab too much to hold on to. It's easy to take territory, but do they have the resources, manpower and smarts to keep it? I doubt it.

And pissing off powerful Arab militaries won't help them much either. It's tough to mount offensives when you can't move a convoy out in the open without getting cratered. Traveling WAYYYY out in the open is pretty much the only way to get from city to city in that region.

What's Obama supposed to do? Send Johnny from Iowa to die? Not that Isis isn't a threat to the homeland sometime in the future, but 100 times more people die every day from the flu.

It's easy to not get killed by ISIS. Don't go to the middle east.

[Milfer]

you moron don't know shit, Obama Bin Ladin is the #1 reason ISIS even exist!

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Milfer

you moron don't know shit, Obama Bin Ladin is the #1 reason ISIS even exist!

Because he is a secret Muslim??!?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mahoney

If We took on this strategy in World War 2 we would all be speaking German right now. Freedom isn't Free.

The only similarity is IS is creating multiple fronts and enemies, just like how Hitler fucked up. Russians got Hitler not USA .

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Like I've said in other threads....Isis will kill Isis by means of hubris. Their overreach has started and it's only a matter of time before they grab too much to hold on to. It's easy to take territory, but do they have the resources, manpower and smarts to keep it? I doubt it.

And pissing off powerful Arab militaries won't help them much either. It's tough to mount offensives when you can't move a convoy out in the open without getting cratered. Traveling WAYYYY out in the open is pretty much the only way to get from city to city in that region.

What's Obama supposed to do? Send Johnny from Iowa to die? Not that Isis isn't a threat to the homeland sometime in the future, but 100 times more people die every day from the flu.

It's easy to not get killed by ISIS. Don't go to the middle east.

It seems they do not have the resources. And things are getting pretty bad in the areas they have taken over.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

obama is denying that isis has anything to do with islam

He is 100% right........ you don't know jack shit about Islam. He is definitely NOT doing enough to hit ISIS but starting a war with the muslim world is definitely not the answer. You've already tried that and it created ISIS. I have no idea what would work now but air strikes is definitely not the solution.

And so is the OP right, ISIS are very much like modern day Nazi's - the furnaces are starting up again:

BBC News - Islamic State militants 'burn to death 45 in Iraq'

[Vendzilla]

I watched Obama's speech about it, he wanted to give them all jobs so they would stop beheading people.
And I remember when 9/11 happened, people in the streets were celebrating in Bagdad , so as far as not labeling this a muslim problem, I think he is wrong, it's in the Koran, the Jihad, that all say in the name of their faith. I'm sorry if that's not PC, but I really don't give a shit

[kane]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

He is 100% right........ you don't know jack shit about Islam. He is definitely NOT doing enough to hit ISIS but starting a war with the muslim world is definitely not the answer. You've already tried that and it created ISIS. I have no idea what would work now but air strikes is definitely not the solution.

And so is the OP right, ISIS are very much like modern day Nazi's - the furnaces are starting up again:

BBC News - Islamic State militants 'burn to death 45 in Iraq'

This is what I have been telling people that bash him for not saying they are part of radical Islam. Bush did a great job of turning much of the Muslim world against us. Obama is trying not to do that. We can acknowledge that ISIS is bad and squash them without pointing out they are Muslims.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

He is 100% right........ you don't know jack shit about Islam. He is definitely NOT doing enough to hit ISIS but starting a war with the muslim world is definitely not the answer. You've already tried that and it created ISIS. I have no idea what would work now but air strikes is definitely not the solution.

And so is the OP right, ISIS are very much like modern day Nazi's - the furnaces are starting up again:

BBC News - Islamic State militants 'burn to death 45 in Iraq'

BO is 100% completely WRONG and that will only hamper and get in the way of a realistic strategy.

WTF does he think a fucking caliphate is?

IS is Islamic and they want and are aiming and striving for an ISlamic Apocalypse.

Not understanding your enemy in war is THE biggest strategic blunder to be made.

thanks Obama.

[Vendzilla]

[Spunky]

Not just Bammys problem,it is worldwide.shit isn't going to stop by just concentrating on a small group.Your neighbors are potential terrorists,some more brainwashed militants than others

[BaldBastard]

ISIS is only as strong as it is because American media outlets have made it so.

Porntubes, youtube, twitter and every other company that hides behind user uploaded content laws is to blame, time to change the game to where if its on your fucking server, YOU are responsible.

All of a sudden none of these fucks would have a voice.

[CPA-Rush]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Not just Bammys problem,it is worldwide.shit isn't going to stop by just concentrating on a small group.Your neighbors are potential terrorists,some more brainwashed militants than others

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

ISIS is only as strong as it is because American media outlets have made it so.

agree 100%

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

And I remember when 9/11 happened, people in the streets were celebrating in Bagdad , so as far as not labeling this a muslim problem, I think he is wrong, it's in the Koran, the Jihad, that all say in the name of their faith.

You should never be conned by the media.... you can always find a picture to show the masses if you look for it. Likewise, anytime some muslims get killed, you could probably find a bunch of Americans celebrating somewhere and put it on camera. It's never representative because generally people don't celebrate the death of other people.

I have known many muslims and even my neighbours in London are muslims (or were when I was there) and they are the nicest people you can know... 99.9% of muslims are good people wherever you go.

The black community in Europe and the US has a "Black Crime" problem. You don't have to deny that the criminals are black, but they always are a small percentage of the crime problem even though they make up a large proportion of the prison population (which itself is a tiny percentage of the overall population).

In the case of ISIS they are a miniscule percentage of (a huge) population of muslims. And that's why they have to resort to such tactics, to scare people into submission.

You don't have the deny that ISIS are muslims but to say that Muslims or Islam is the problem is 100% wrong. Obama is actually right that ISIS are perverting the religion of Islam and these statements come from a lot of background knowledge.

75 million muslims in Turkey - peaceful people.

150 million muslims in India - peaceful people.

207 million muslims in Indonesia - peaceful people.

And so on.... it's always easier to be non-PC but facts are facts.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by kane

Bush did a great job of turning much of the Muslim world against us. Obama is trying not to do that. We can acknowledge that ISIS is bad and squash them without pointing out they are Muslims.

Exactly right except that he can acknowledge they are muslims (why shouldn't he?). He just shouldn't be saying that Muslims or Islam is the problem - and then exacerbate and compound the problem of what basically Bush helped create.

Right now in the Muslim world, fanatical haters of the west (not the US in particular) although miniscule in number are greatly multiplying due to the instability created in places like Syria, Iraq, Libya etc.... so having a good strategy to attack ISIS is what is needed. More hatred and more new versions or incarnations of ISIS definitely doesn't help.

Don't forget - these days, how often are we talking about "Al Qaida" ?

[baddog]

Why the fuck should Obama be dealing with ISIS?

[kittykatt]

[epitome]

Originally Posted by mahoney

Even though Radical Muslims only make up a small % of Muslims it still pencils out to MILLIONS some of which are already living in America. It's a complex problem to say the least. There are no easy answers.

You cannot expect ignorant Americans that consider their local amusement park to be a vacation to understand such concepts.

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It is simply a bunch of terrorists hiding behind the religion.

It's weird how a Christian can kill some people and nobody blames the religion. Meanwhile, a Muslim does something and the entire religion is to blame.

The Quran does not call for any more violence than the Bible.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why the fuck should Obama be dealing with ISIS?

Too many people seem to think the Middle East is our problem.

Let Saudi Arabia or another country actually in the region deal with them.

[_Richard_]

maybe we should stop giving mercenaries money

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by kittykatt

Originally Posted by baddog

Why the fuck should Obama be dealing with ISIS?

nuf said

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

BO is 100% completely WRONG and that will only hamper and get in the way of a realistic strategy.

WTF does he think a fucking caliphate is?

IS is Islamic and they want and are aiming and striving for an ISlamic Apocalypse.

Not understanding your enemy in war is THE biggest strategic blunder to be made.

thanks Obama.

Do you think he doesn't know ISIS is Islamic?

Obama has already explained that the strategy is to not give them acknowledgement by calling them Islamic. Yes, they are definitely Islamic, but why do conservatives need so badly for him to put the words Islamic and extremist together? It's the only thing they talk about now because they're all a pile of shit with no solutions.

and the "jobs" thing has been totally warped into a talking point that makes no sense. Nobody said we should give jobs to people with ak47's. The root problem is young middle-easterners with little options, so they turn to extreme religious ideology. Steering them towards another path would do a lot to curb the terrorism problem, but that's the job of Arab countries. It'll take generations to fix this problem.

A bomb is a band aid, but of course some of them have to be bombed.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by mahoney

If We took on this strategy in World War 2 we would all be speaking German right now. Freedom isn't Free.

Germany was the society that lead the world at that time. Highest level of education, industrialization, etc. This is not a real comparison.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I watched Obama's speech about it, he wanted to give them all jobs so they would stop beheading people.
And I remember when 9/11 happened, people in the streets were celebrating in Bagdad , so as far as not labeling this a muslim problem, I think he is wrong, it's in the Koran, the Jihad, that all say in the name of their faith. I'm sorry if that's not PC, but I really don't give a shit

Right-Wing Media Attack Obama For Tying Terror To Poverty Years After Bush Made The Same Connection | Research | Media Matters for America
Bush same the same thing and bush also said about not a war with islam
November 6, 2001

"I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction."
Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan
The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
September 28, 2001

"Americans understand we fight not a religion; ours is not a campaign against the Muslim faith. Ours is a campaign against evil."
President George W. Bush Remarks by the President to Airline Employees
O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
September 27, 2001

"The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them."

President George W. Bush's Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
United States Capitol, Washington, D.C.
September 20, 2001

"I've made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It's a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people."
Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia
The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
September 19, 2001

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."
Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.
September 17, 2001

[Barry-xlovecam]

"1.57 billion
Islam is the world's second largest religion. According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population. According to the Pew Research Center in 2010 there were 49 Muslim-majority countries."

=30000/1570000000

0.001911% or about 30,000 ISIS terrorists are Muslims

They are terrorists and criminals not unlike Medieval "Christian" kings and their ''valiant'' knights that terrorized the peasants and started religious wars at home and in foreign lands. Religion, ignorance and fear is just being used as a battle cry for barbarity in both cases.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by mahoney

If We took on this strategy in World War 2 we would all be speaking German right now. Freedom isn't Free.

Correct me if I'm wrong , the U.S. didn't get involved until the Japanese bombed the American fleet in Pearl Harbor in 41.

[scottybuzz]

Aren't ISIS one of the groups USA helped expand when trying to take down Syria?

My opinion is let Israel deal with the middle east. They would be happy too.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Aren't ISIS one of the groups USA helped expand when trying to take down Syria?

My opinion is let Israel deal with the middle east. They would be happy too.

yes, with a large chunk coming over from libya/egypt

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

Right-Wing Media Attack Obama For Tying Terror To Poverty Years After Bush Made The Same Connection | Research | Media Matters for America
Bush same the same thing and bush also said about not a war with islam
November 6, 2001

"I have assured His Majesty that our war is against evil, not against Islam. There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al Qaeda organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction."
Remarks by President George W. Bush and His Majesty King Abdullah of Jordan
The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
September 28, 2001

"Americans understand we fight not a religion; ours is not a campaign against the Muslim faith. Ours is a campaign against evil."
President George W. Bush Remarks by the President to Airline Employees
O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
September 27, 2001

"The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them."

President George W. Bush's Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
United States Capitol, Washington, D.C.
September 20, 2001

"I've made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It's a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people."
Remarks by President George W. Bush and President Megawati of Indonesia
The Oval Office, Washington, D.C.
September 19, 2001

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."
Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.
September 17, 2001

You act like I cared what W said about it, doesn't make it right

Not all Muslim's are terrorists, but it seems all terrorist are Muslims.
They are practicing the Muslim faith, are they not?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Aren't ISIS one of the groups USA helped expand when trying to take down Syria?

Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes, with a large chunk coming over from libya/egypt

no, BO stayed out of Syria until when he finally decided to go into Syria, to fight ISIS.

[Bladewire]

The Middle East is not doing enough to defeat ISIS. We rely on the Middle East for intelligence and support in their own back yard, we aren't getting enough, and ISIS keeps on keeping on.

[femdomdestiny]

push them on some territory and nuke them

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by epitome

You cannot expect ignorant Americans that consider their local amusement park to be a vacation to understand such concepts. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It is simply a bunch of terrorists hiding behind the religion. It's weird how a Christian can kill some people and nobody blames the religion. Meanwhile, a Muslim does something and the entire religion is to blame. The Quran does not call for any more violence than the Bible.

This is totally well said...

But I still would like to see some big ass Americans go in and kick ISIS. No ISIS would stand even half a chance against the average big ass American.

[dyna mo]

illegitimizing IS as non-islamic will prove to be a catastrophic strategic blunder.

Simply because IS doesn't represent 98% of muslims does not mean they are not motivated by Muslim faith and have a religious goal as the outcome, all based on their interpretation of the Torah.

Not realizing that means military strategy has not been effective, as we all already know, and it will continue to be ineffective.

Then, here's what will happen: we'll put boots on the ground there, an American soldier will be taken hostage, put in a cage, set of fire and the video uploaded to YouTube.

Then we will have what IS wants- an all out religious war.

The only solution here is to realize IS is religious in their violence and terror and goals and as a matter of consequence, that means the USA can NOT engage.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

O'bama is right

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

illegitimizing IS as non-islamic will prove to be a catastrophic strategic blunder.

Simply because IS doesn't represent 98% of muslims does not mean they are not motivated by Muslim faith and have a religious goal as the outcome, all based on their interpretation of the Torah.

Dyna, I have no clue where you get your thinking from but you need to go and get a refund.

ISIS all along have wanted this to be a war of the west versus Islam precisely to create the war that THEY want. As soon as you demonise all muslims and Islam, they get what they wanted and we lose everything we had (our values, our freedoms and so on).

If the world was the world according to Dyna, we'd all be like the frog that got orally screwed by the monkey in another thread

[dyna mo]

Lolz, the need to make it personal. Because you are entirely insecure with your own view and a simpleton , obvious is obvious.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Dyna, I have no clue where you get your thinking from but you need to go and get a refund.

ISIS all along have wanted this to be a war of the west versus Islam precisely to create the war that THEY want. As soon as you demonise all muslims and Islam, they get what they wanted and we lose everything we had (our values, our freedoms and so on).

If the world was the world according to Dyna, we'd all be like the frog that got orally screwed by the monkey in another thread

The fact that militarily they are motivated by religious ideology translates to demonizing the entire Muslim world? Because simpletons like you expand that and generalize it?

So we should go to war misunderstanding the enemy because simpletons like you are bigoted.

Dumbfuck.

[dyna mo]

"Many denials of the Islamic State?s religious nature....
More:

According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. ?Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,? Haykel said. ?They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.?

He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance.

?People want to absolve Islam,? he said. ?It?s this ?Islam is a religion of peace? mantra. As if there is such a thing as ?Islam?! It?s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.? Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. ?And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.?

[dotcamgirl]

Obama is Not Doing Enough to Defeat Anyone or Anything, our economy will improve when he is out of office

[Rochard]

I just read an article about how this is a Middle Eastern problem and needs to be solved by the people of the Middle East. Frankly, enough is enough already. Time to leave them all to their own devices and let them sort it out.

[stickyfingerz]

How naive must someone be to fall for the obvious fear mongering propaganda? Seriously folks.. lol