This is totally well said... :2 cents:

But I still would like to see some big ass Americans go in and kick ISIS. No ISIS would stand even half a chance against the average big ass American.

illegitimizing IS as non-islamic will prove to be a catastrophic strategic blunder.

Simply because IS doesn't represent 98% of muslims does not mean they are not motivated by Muslim faith and have a religious goal as the outcome, all based on their interpretation of the Torah.

Not realizing that means military strategy has not been effective, as we all already know, and it will continue to be ineffective.

Then, here's what will happen: we'll put boots on the ground there, an American soldier will be taken hostage, put in a cage, set of fire and the video uploaded to YouTube.

Then we will have what IS wants- an all out religious war.

The only solution here is to realize IS is religious in their violence and terror and goals and as a matter of consequence, that means the USA can NOT engage.

O'bama is right

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Dyna, I have no clue where you get your thinking from but you need to go and get a refund.

ISIS all along have wanted this to be a war of the west versus Islam precisely to create the war that THEY want. As soon as you demonise all muslims and Islam, they get what they wanted and we lose everything we had (our values, our freedoms and so on).

If the world was the world according to Dyna, we'd all be like the frog that got orally screwed by the monkey in another thread :1orglaugh

Lolz, the need to make it personal. Because you are entirely insecure with your own view and a simpleton , obvious is obvious.

The fact that militarily they are motivated by religious ideology translates to demonizing the entire Muslim world? Because simpletons like you expand that and generalize it?

So we should go to war misunderstanding the enemy because simpletons like you are bigoted.

Dumbfuck.

"Many denials of the Islamic State?s religious nature....
More:

According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. ?Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,? Haykel said. ?They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.?

He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance.

?People want to absolve Islam,? he said. ?It?s this ?Islam is a religion of peace? mantra. As if there is such a thing as ?Islam?! It?s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.? Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. ?And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.?

Obama is Not Doing Enough to Defeat Anyone or Anything, our economy will improve when he is out of office

I just read an article about how this is a Middle Eastern problem and needs to be solved by the people of the Middle East. Frankly, enough is enough already. Time to leave them all to their own devices and let them sort it out.

How naive must someone be to fall for the obvious fear mongering propaganda? Seriously folks.. lol

50 beheadings

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thread caught fire.

Simpleton? I've never been described as a simpleton before...... many things but not a simpleton so I'm adding that into my "New Names By Dyna" bag. :1orglaugh

It's precisely that we understand the enemy that we able to out think them and out play them on their own terms. The complexity of this issue is not to turn this into a war ISIS & Al Qaida want and that's what the challenge is. Bush fell into that trap by doing exactly what Bin Laden and if history looks back, its going to see that it was a turning point.

You do anything remotely that risks turning this into us versus Islam or us versus Muslims and don't think selfishly, just use common sense....

30,000 (self styled Medieval Warriors) are causing serious problems in the world.

Give them the war THEY want, attack Islam attack Muslims on their home turf and it's just a recruiting tool.

Then you can be talking about a group with 3 million Warriors or more. ISIS and Al Qaida will be in the rear view mirror and we'll have real problems in the world.

I have noticed recently that we rarely agree on anything; this will be a day to remember.

German is easier.

no what? no 'BO' didn't pay mercenaries to help overthrow the syrian government in order to establish a government 'more friendly' in order to build a bunch of pipelines etc etc?

or no 'BO' didn't pay a bunch of mercenaries to take out the libyan government creating a vacuum of heavily armed fighters who may or may not have some serious connections to the AQ peeps?

or no, 'BO' isn't still paying 'more moderate rebels' to continue fighting the good fight against a government that seemed able to handle matters we can not?

or no, NATO now is flying bombing campaigns in syria, something they have been trying to do for the past year or so, but currently able to do on the justification that they're 'fighting ISIS' or 'ISIL' or whatever their name is today

or no, the comment you agreed to was the BO expanded ISIS in Syria, that's patently false.

I'm not name calling when I pointed out you are a simpleton, just like it's not name calling to point out someone with blue eyes has blue eyes.


and i am using common sense, you fail to read. I already stated the ONLY solution is the USA not escalate this


maybe read better before you start hurling your bullshit at me. Or next time, don't get your fucking panties torqued up because someone answers the thread question different from you.

Again, IS is motivated by religious ideology. It doesn't matter 1 single shit if people like you read that and conclude the entire muslim world is the same. but because of that it is beyond fucking stupid that our military strategy cannot embrace reality because of people like you.

John Kerry Admits Syria Rebels' Extremist Groups Are 'Best Fighters'

'Kerry described the "bad guys," as he called them, as a minority in the opposition, estimating that they make up 15 percent to 25 percent of the fighters.'

you know, the 15-25% fighters that somehow turned into the ISIS? and this is an overall discussion on arming these 15-25% fighters, which include Al Qaeda fighters.

for libya, if you look up these sections and corresponding references:

Composition of rebel forces

and citation numbers '46' / '47' etc

most likely a thorough read of the entire page and corresponding citations will give you a clearer view of how badly the entire operation was messed up, considering the region is now in the throws of a civil war, including the 'ISIS' group claiming to use libya as a gateway into europe.

Why ISIS in Libya is a direct threat to Europe - CBS News

but hey, 'patently' sounds real good. congratulations.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh nevermind

You wanna hear a funny joke?

RELIGION

That's it, that's the joke.

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me guess, you never studied neither?

Well, duh. You think more than a few of these theological experts have even read either?:error

If Obama rode a nuclear missile into Mecca like Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove, conservatives would complain that he didn't sing the national anthem on the way down.

It doesn't matter what stance he takes because they'll complain about it so they look better to their mouthbreather base.

Sort of like Morons like you that whined and bitched about Bush being a war monger, then voting for Obama after he promised more troops being sent to Afghanistan.

I complain about specific things, which you it seems are unable to counter with anything more creative than you hate Obama!

I voted for Bush both times like you...but the difference now is I'm probably the one who realizes his administration was a gang of war mongers. ISIS would not exist today if George W Bush hadn't needlessly gone into Iraq to finish his poppy's job. Actually I blame Rumsfeld and Cheney more than anyone.

Bush's Iraq war is now the biggest military debacle in the history of our country. You know that right? When you think about the far reaching implications it has on the security of this nation, it even outweighs Vietnam. Bringing up Iraq like it's some feather in conservatives cap is hardly un-moronic. Since you like to go around calling people obviously smarter than you morons.

What is it about his approach you don't like? You have problems with measured calculations? Or is scorched earth policy what you want? They're dropping bombs, and they're waging a financial and social war -- and probably fighting on many other fronts neither one of us could imagine. What is it you actually want from Obama? For him to put together those two words that Fox news yammers on about all fucking day? Would that be enough?

Bottom line is, you right wingnuts make too much out of ISIS because you have a thing with fear. You're afraid of scary black people raping you, so you carry a gun. You're scared of Mexicans coming to take your tax money. You're scared of the big bad government taking away your freedom. You're scared of gay people ruining your institution of marriage. You're scared of women making a choice about their own pregnancies. It's all about fear.

ISIS isn't coming to get you. It's more likely a garbage truck tire will fly into your window and kill you on your couch.

IS is more about Netanyahu's war crimes klan. US is just stuck between the toilet and the septic tank.

long story short: no

Here is a "Black Man With A Plan:"

LIVE FROM CPAC: Ben Carson unveils earth-shattering plan to defeat ISIS - Salon.com

I didn't vote for Bush the second time and I'm not right wing and the government HAS taken away some of our freedoms, aren't you paying attention?

on that we can agree.

I'm not even sure why our govt. acknowledged their existence in the first place.

Wait...yes I do. Because once we recognized them and the govt. set the media to talking about them 24 hours a day...they were able to recruit thousands and become a "threat" to the countries that we have invaded.

So now the U.S. govt. can continue to scare the shit out of the American people, keep searching us at airports, keep a giant military, and justify tapping our phones and reading our emails.

That you're not paying attention?

you mean this one ?

I'm paying attention to the fact that your answer to my post had almost nothing to do with my post, and was more or less another insult. All you do is act grumpy, insult people and post regurgitated opinions from hacky websites instead of insight.

Look back, I corrected your post on 3 points, so I guess you are not paying attention again?

And you bitch about an insult with an insult in the same breath?

nevermind is the right answer because none of that supports the comment that the USA expanded ISIS in Syria.


i'm not surprised you're impressed by such big words like "patently".

Fixed it for you :2 cents:

Queen Rania of Jordan basically agrees with what I said.... and she puts it really well:

Only an idiot would demonize all Muslims simply due to Isis being Muslims. They're humans too so that means we would kill all humans if we admit, you know, they're humans.

Again. For a military strategy to work it has to be realistic about the enemy.